Ask a Transgendered Person (a good idea from Wolls)

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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Homosexuality is not all about having sex. It's the attraction to the same sex. Are you seriously comparing a murderer to a homosexual?

PeaceChild90

What I was saying is basically the 1st definition you just gave me. It is a sexual desire towards the same sex, but you don't need to act on it to be homosexual. You just are.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Lockedge"] I personally am minutely attracted to guys. I have issues finding myself attracted to the male body as it reminds me of what I was given at birth. I've gotten better about it in recent years, especially as my transition has progressed. I'm sure I'll have enough attraction to guys when I'm fully transitioned as I'll be able to put my past image behind me, but right now it's at a lesser stage. No dating for me right now. :P Be be real concise, I've never been a male, I've only had the body of one. I've always had the mind of a heterosexual female.Lockedge

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[QUOTE="Trashface"] Why does anyone posting here care? Cannot I not join in simply because I believe differently? I can't stop anyone from pretending, but many can't see that they're just pretending.Trashface

I think she's saying that because you're supposed to view this "Positively" and post "Positive" messages.

I believe differently as well, but I just decided not to start a flame war again. :P

Indeed they are...i may not agree with their views either..but i'll still be nice..plus i really don't feel like debating things..:|..it would be horrible i guess to have the mind of one gender and be stuck in the body of another..whatever though..

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

I think she's saying that because you're supposed to view this "Positively" and post "Positive" messages.

I believe differently as well, but I just decided not to start a flame war again. :P

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Indeed they are...i may not agree with their views either..but i'll still be nice..plus i really don't feel like debating things..:|..it would be horrible i guess to have the mind of one gender and be stuck in the body of another..whatever though..

FUBAR24: Have you got in contact with a local LGBT community? They would probably be the best support you could ever get, however, I have heard that even some LGB people have trouble accepting Transgendered people in their community. While I don't doubt that there are probably a few uninformed LGB people, I would imagine that the overwhelming majority would be very welcoming. Especially since you live in Canada, I have heard that it's one of the best places to live for LGBT people. I think that you are an awesome individual, and very brave for pursuing your fundamental right to be the person you want and feel to be, and I fully encourage you to continue on with it, and not to let others bring you down. ;)michaelP4

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]FUBAR24: Have you got in contact with a local LGBT community? They would probably be the best support you could ever get, however, I have heard that even some LGB people have trouble accepting Transgendered people in their community. While I don't doubt that there are probably a few uninformed LGB people, I would imagine that the overwhelming majority would be very welcoming. Especially since you live in Canada, I have heard that it's one of the best places to live for LGBT people. I think that you are an awesome individual, and very brave for pursuing your fundamental right to be the person you want and feel to be, and I fully encourage you to continue on with it, and not to let others bring you down. ;)Xx_Hopeless_xX

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]FUBAR24: Have you got in contact with a local LGBT community? They would probably be the best support you could ever get, however, I have heard that even some LGB people have trouble accepting Transgendered people in their community. While I don't doubt that there are probably a few uninformed LGB people, I would imagine that the overwhelming majority would be very welcoming. Especially since you live in Canada, I have heard that it's one of the best places to live for LGBT people. I think that you are an awesome individual, and very brave for pursuing your fundamental right to be the person you want and feel to be, and I fully encourage you to continue on with it, and not to let others bring you down. ;)No_Hablo_Ingles

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] How come?No_Hablo_Ingles

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

If I remember correctly, hopeless is religious and the bible does speak out against gay people, but I don't believe a transexual person is mentioned in the bible.

I think thats about the reason, no offense to hopeless.

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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] How come?Bourbons3

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..michaelP4

[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I may accept transgendered people but i do not accept gays and lesbians..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

Really? Why don't you try and overcome your heterosexuality and see how easy that is for you.

...and why does a gay person have to try and overcome it in the first place? It's not harming anyone.

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[QUOTE="Trashface"] In case you missed it, my comparison was purely from a genetically stand point. Here are the literal definitions of homosexuality: 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a 2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex -compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b Both of these indicate action. Tendancy to DIRECT...and intercourse. Why do people act as if they can wish words into meaning differently than they're defined?

Trashface

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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] How come?PeaceChild90

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

Really? Why don't you try and overcome your heterosexuality and see how easy that is for you.

...and why does a gay person have to try and overcome it in the first place? It's not harming anyone.

and why does a gay person have to try and overcome it in the first place? It's not harming anyone.

PeaceChild90

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Perhaps you should try rereading definition #1. Notice the word desire?

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"] It does not just say desire, it says DIRECTED desire. To direct something towards someone implies action.Trashface

If I remember correctly, hopeless is religious and the bible does speak out against gay people, but I don't believe a transexual person is mentioned in the bible.Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]It says Directed desire yes. The word desire is still there. It does not say directed sexual intercourse.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]If I remember correctly, hopeless is religious and the bible does speak out against gay people, but I don't believe a transexual person is mentioned in the bible.michaelP4

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"] Um yes..desire is there. Directed desire. Not desire for someone of the same sex, but directed desire. Gay tendencies alone does not make someone gayTrashface

If he only had feelings towards men, then he was was, and always will be gay.

For instance, if I get married to a man now I will still be a lesbian, and I always will be.

Perhaps it's their belief that its wrong. I happen to think lying is wrong..even if no one is hurt by it.Trashface

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..Trashface

Directed desire indicates some sort of acting on the desire. It does not say TOWARDS someone of the same sex, it says DIRECTED. If someone has gay feelings, and is attracted to men, yet restrains it, gets married , loves his wife and is always faithful, this person is not homosexual. It is ultimately a decision.Trashface

Here are some other definitions of the term homosexuality:

1. Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

2. Sexual activity with another of the same sex

Sexual orientation being 'one's natural preference in sexual partners'

If someone has gay feelings, and is attracted to men, yet restrains it, gets married , loves his wife and is always faithful, this person is not homosexual. It is ultimately a decision.Trashface

Well, I've always wanted to be a woman until recently. I just accepted who I am, because I can't change it and I don't want to undergo surgery, because I'll still be the same person.Genetic_Code

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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] How come?PeaceChild90

Transgender is rather sad..they have the mentality of the opposite gender but they were born with male parts/female...

Gays and Lesbians have a lust for the same gender..this can be overcome/ignored..and i can see how this may confuse you..

Really? Why don't you try and overcome your heterosexuality and see how easy that is for you.

...and why does a gay person have to try and overcome it in the first place? It's not harming anyone.

I didn't say i openly hate them..i just do not approve of their way of life..and your argument doesn't really make sense...i just find it disgusting...sorry if my opinion differs from yours..

Also...why try and argue...it's not like either one of us are going to change our point of view on the subject...so why not save us both time and respect my opinion as i will respect yours..

As for the religious thing..yes..i am religious..but even if i weren't i dislike their way of life..they try and force their views on people..at least in my experiences..but i am in no way generalizing...

As long as they remain out of my sight and don't try and force their views on me i could care less what they do with themselves..

I didn't say i openly hate them..i just do not approve of their way of life..and your argument doesn't really make sense...i just find it disgusting...sorry if my opinion differs from yours..

Also...why try and argue...it's not like either one of us are going to change our point of view on the subject...so why not save us both time and respect my opinion as i will respect yours..

As for the religious thing..yes..i am religious..but even if i weren't i dislike their way of life..they try and force their views on people..at least in my experiences..but i am in no way generalizing...

As long as they remain out of my sight and don't try and force their views on me i could care less what they do with themselves..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

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I didn't say i openly hate them..i just do not approve of their way of life..and your argument doesn't really make sense...i just find it disgusting...sorry if my opinion differs from yours..

Also...why try and argue...it's not like either one of us are going to change our point of view on the subject...so why not save us both time and respect my opinion as i will respect yours..

As for the religious thing..yes..i am religious..but even if i weren't i dislike their way of life..they try and force their views on people..at least in my experiences..but i am in no way generalizing...

As long as they remain out of my sight and don't try and force their views on me i could care less what they do with themselves..

BumFluff122

If you try to oppose suppression/discrimination and fight for acceptance you are forcing your beliefs on other people. :V

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]If I remember correctly, hopeless is religious and the bible does speak out against gay people, but I don't believe a transexual person is mentioned in the bible.michaelP4

Jesus doesn't speak out against homosexuality, but it is mentioned in the bible and that is enough for some christians to justify bigotry, even if Jesus would not of been in favor of such bigotry.

And yes, many christians pick and choose. It's silly, but I know many who openly admit to picking and choosing and try to give various reasons as to why it's okay to pick and choose in this scenario. I know not all christians are like this, but some are.

I was simply speaking out on what I believe was hopelesses reason, not mine.

Oshawa, ON -- A request from 17-year-old Catholic high school student Marc Hall for permission to take his 21-year-old "boyfriend" to his school's graduation prom in May has become a rallying cry for Ontario homosexuals to promote their lifestyle and denounce Catholic opposition to it.

And you seemed to ignore the fact that i said "in my experience"..generally that means..PERSONAL experiences...if you'd like i could tell them to you..

Havent you heard?

If you try to oppose suppression/discrimination and fight for acceptance you are forcing your beliefs on other people. :V

Teenaged

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't say i openly hate them..i just do not approve of their way of life..and your argument doesn't really make sense...i just find it disgusting...sorry if my opinion differs from yours..

Also...why try and argue...it's not like either one of us are going to change our point of view on the subject...so why not save us both time and respect my opinion as i will respect yours..

As for the religious thing..yes..i am religious..but even if i weren't i dislike their way of life..they try and force their views on people..at least in my experiences..but i am in no way generalizing...

As long as they remain out of my sight and don't try and force their views on me i could care less what they do with themselves..

Teenaged

If you try to oppose suppression/discrimination and fight for acceptance you are forcing your beliefs on other people. :V

Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

As fun as it is to read you guys debate (or whatever you want to call it) don't forget what this topic was made for...

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Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

BumFluff122

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How do they try and force their voews on people? If anything the heterosexual community tries to force their views on homosexuals.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

If you try to oppose suppression/discrimination and fight for acceptance you are forcing your beliefs on other people. :V

Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

And also lets not forget: straight men NEVER hit on women with a very distasteful way. EVER. Right?

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Havent you heard?

If you try to oppose suppression/discrimination and fight for acceptance you are forcing your beliefs on other people. :V

Teenaged

Sure...well..let's see...a homosexual man tried to force himself on a heterosexual man at a place by me...but..that's nothing right?..

And also lets not forget: straight men NEVER hit on women with a very distasteful way. EVER. Right?

Once again..you ignore what i said..."i am in no way generalizing..this is from my experience".. No not hit on him..."force" (strength or power exerted upon an object; physical coercion; )..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

BumFluff122

Let's leave it at..i dislike them for my reasons you accept them for yours..and i also apologize...i had no intention of starting a debate..

No offense but this is going quite off topic. The threads supposed to be about transgenderism, not homosexual discrimination.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How is that them trying to force their beliefs on you? That's called rape. When a heterosexual man rapes a lesbian does that mean he's trying to force his beliefs on her? He does (oh really?) get charged for forcing beliefs. He gets charged with rape.

Teenaged

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

AGAIN..i said "I AM IN NO WAY GENERALIZING"...