[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]This question may have already been asked, but, are you in a relationship? and if you have been/are, how did the other person take it? Do you let them know straight up that you consider yourself a lesbian and plan to get a sex change, or do you procede on with your manhood (trying to keep it pg, home what I'm getting at goes well) There was a show with a male lesbian and he was dating a bi girl and she wanted him to, apply his manlyness to their relationship, but he refused, just wanted to know if it;s the same for youHybridPhoenixwell im single right now, and i honestly dont know if im up for the sex change. like ill be talking to my psychiatrist to start me on female hormones but i just dont know if i could do the SRS. i mean it costs a couple thousand dollars. im lucky i can afford the hormones Here's another potentially offensive question, what's the point of using the hormones if you don't intend to go the whole way? or is it just a matter of money? its strictly just the money. im barely scraping by as it is, and my parents health insurance wont cover it, hell we had to go through all this red tape just to get them to pay for most of the hormones
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[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]This question may have already been asked, but, are you in a relationship? and if you have been/are, how did the other person take it? Do you let them know straight up that you consider yourself a lesbian and plan to get a sex change, or do you procede on with your manhood (trying to keep it pg, home what I'm getting at goes well) There was a show with a male lesbian and he was dating a bi girl and she wanted him to, apply his manlyness to their relationship, but he refused, just wanted to know if it;s the same for youHybridPhoenix
I'm not sure about the others, but I'm not. When I came to accept myself I decided that I would never allow myself to love in a romantic sense, since it would just be too awkward to explain to a loved one about how I was before.
It's a painful choice to make and I hate how lonely I tend to be, but it's a safe measure to prevent harming anyone I might have fallen in love with, surprisingly it's quite easy, well I found it easy, to make sure that I can't love anyone romantically, painful, but easy.
Are you preop? if you were post op, couldn't you just enter a relationship with the other person knowing from the start?I'm pre-op, after the op, which likely won't be for a few years since it takes so much time to be referred, I still won't be going for a relationship. I have a hard time lying, so I wouldn't be able to lie to anyone I might fall in love with, I would tell them outright. It's part of the choice to avoid love in a romantic sense at all costs, I just can't risk the harm it would do to someone I could come to deeply love.
Are you preop? if you were post op, couldn't you just enter a relationship with the other person knowing from the start?[QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"]
I'm not sure about the others, but I'm not. When I came to accept myself I decided that I would never allow myself to love in a romantic sense, since it would just be too awkward to explain to a loved one about how I was before.
It's a painful choice to make and I hate how lonely I tend to be, but it's a safe measure to prevent harming anyone I might have fallen in love with, surprisingly it's quite easy, well I found it easy, to make sure that I can't love anyone romantically, painful, but easy.
Smokescreened84
I'm pre-op, after the op, which likely won't be for a few years since it takes so much time to be referred, I still won't be going for a relationship. I have a hard time lying, so I wouldn't be able to lie to anyone I might fall in love with, I would tell them outright. It's part of the choice to avoid love in a romantic sense at all costs, I just can't risk the harm it would do to someone I could come to deeply love.
but what if you found someone who was completely accepting and you didnt have to lie about yourself? like thats what im hoping to find. a girl who loves everything i am and respects what im not[QUOTE="Bobzfamily"]I identify as a women even though i still dress as a male since i havnt started transitioning yet. and i still consider myself straight meaning i still am attracted to girls I didn't read the Face-thread, so correct me if I'm wrong and all that. Wouldn't you technically be a lesbian, if you see yourself as a woman? Were you born male, but grew up to find out you had 'the wrong sex' ? When did you realize this?What is your sex and what sexual orientation do you idenfity with?
FUBAR24
[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Bobzfamily"]I identify as a women even though i still dress as a male since i havnt started transitioning yet. and i still consider myself straight meaning i still am attracted to girls I didn't read the Face-thread, so correct me if I'm wrong and all that. Wouldn't you technically be a lesbian, if you see yourself as a woman? Were you born male, but grew up to find out you had 'the wrong sex' ? When did you realize this? in the LGBT communitiy transgendereds who are still attracted to women are known as translesbians. and i realized it at about 12-13 but didnt act on it till i was 18-19What is your sex and what sexual orientation do you idenfity with?
Deihjan
[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"] Are you preop? if you were post op, couldn't you just enter a relationship with the other person knowing from the start?FUBAR24
I'm pre-op, after the op, which likely won't be for a few years since it takes so much time to be referred, I still won't be going for a relationship. I have a hard time lying, so I wouldn't be able to lie to anyone I might fall in love with, I would tell them outright. It's part of the choice to avoid love in a romantic sense at all costs, I just can't risk the harm it would do to someone I could come to deeply love.
but what if you found someone who was completely accepting and you didnt have to lie about yourself? like thats what im hoping to find. a girl who loves everything i am and respects what im notI highly doubt I'll ever meet anyone like that, I've encountered so many who are very close minded and never see the shades of grey that life is, only the black and white that the media protrays.
After being betrayed by my ex for money years earlier and being treated like a thing for not being able to think and feel as male, I've learned to avoid love and just focus on keeping busy, paying the bills, not harming anyone, obeying the law, even if I feel the law is managed by fools, and not allowing myself to be bought by the ideals of greed and ignorance that are so heavily promoted and enforced.
but what if you found someone who was completely accepting and you didnt have to lie about yourself? like thats what im hoping to find. a girl who loves everything i am and respects what im not[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Smokescreened84"]
I'm pre-op, after the op, which likely won't be for a few years since it takes so much time to be referred, I still won't be going for a relationship. I have a hard time lying, so I wouldn't be able to lie to anyone I might fall in love with, I would tell them outright. It's part of the choice to avoid love in a romantic sense at all costs, I just can't risk the harm it would do to someone I could come to deeply love.
Smokescreened84
I highly doubt I'll ever meet anyone like that, I've encountered so many who are very close minded and never see the shades of grey that life is, only the black and white that the media protrays.
After being betrayed by my ex for money years earlier and being treated like a thing for not being able to think and feel as male, I've learned to avoid love and just focus on keeping busy, paying the bills, not harming anyone, obeying the law, even if I feel the law is managed by fools, and not allowing myself to be bought by the ideals of greed and ignorance that are so heavily promoted and enforced.
im sorry you feel that way but i know there are women out there who are accepting of it considering in the past year ive dated 3 who not only were accepting of it but welcomed it. thats why i keep my head held high[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"] but what if you found someone who was completely accepting and you didnt have to lie about yourself? like thats what im hoping to find. a girl who loves everything i am and respects what im notFUBAR24
I highly doubt I'll ever meet anyone like that, I've encountered so many who are very close minded and never see the shades of grey that life is, only the black and white that the media protrays.
After being betrayed by my ex for money years earlier and being treated like a thing for not being able to think and feel as male, I've learned to avoid love and just focus on keeping busy, paying the bills, not harming anyone, obeying the law, even if I feel the law is managed by fools, and not allowing myself to be bought by the ideals of greed and ignorance that are so heavily promoted and enforced.
im sorry you feel that way but i know there are women out there who are accepting of it considering in the past year ive dated 3 who not only were accepting of it but welcomed it. thats why i keep my head held highI'm bi, so I have feelings towards men and women. I learned how to control those feelings quite easily, but there are days when I find myself yearning for someone in my life, someone to hold me, someone to actually care for me. But I made a choice, I live in a very narrow minded area of Scotland where men are expected to be men and stupidity is seen as a rite of passenge.
And with being disabled then moving is out of the question since I have to stay at least five minutes walk from my parents, I live on my own, in case of any problems. It's annoying but I have to abide by the law, people in the village know I'm TG and I've been attacked a few times, mostly by yobs who don't have the intellect to think beyond their next binge drinking session.
There was a question from someone who asked if intimacy is still possible for TG's, it is, in fact for MtF it can be very intense from what I've been told by one person who is post op, she's mentioned a couple of times just how intense it is for her.
[QUOTE="bobaban"]So you're not really transgendered yet, because I thought you need to be post op to be considered. Your transvestite. transgender is an umbrella term. the way i learned it was that because i have always felt like i was in the wrong body my mind was a different gender than my body making me transgendered, transexuals are people who truely change their sex. atleast thats the way i learned it Alright thanks, I had it backwards. Though I must admit I'm confused by your particular case because you like women. Technically you're straight, but feel that you are a woman, right? And what is it exactly that makes you "feel" like a woman? How will you simulate menstruation, because I think that would be the best part of actually becoming a woman.[QUOTE="FUBAR24"] no i am pre op, i plan on starting female hormones next summer, which means talking with a gender psychologistFUBAR24
Also would you consider it wrong for me to state that if a transgendered person was hitting on a straight male, that the transgendered MUST identify as such even after the surgery.
transgender is an umbrella term. the way i learned it was that because i have always felt like i was in the wrong body my mind was a different gender than my body making me transgendered, transexuals are people who truely change their sex. atleast thats the way i learned it Alright thanks, I had it backwards. Though I must admit I'm confused by your particular case because you like women. Technically you're straight, but feel that you are a woman, right? And what is it exactly that makes you "feel" like a woman? How will you simulate menstruation, because I think that would be the best part of actually becoming a woman.[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="bobaban"] So you're not really transgendered yet, because I thought you need to be post op to be considered. Your transvestite.
bobaban
Also would you consider it wrong for me to state that if a transgendered person was hitting on a straight male, that the transgendered MUST identify as such even after the surgery.
um i wont be simulating menstruation thats something physically impossable unless not only do you get the sexual reasignment surgery which is cosmetic BUT you transplant female sexual organs into youre own body. thats why menstruation and child birth are two things MtF transgenders or transexuals will never have to deal with. and dressing as a woman helps me feel like a woman but ive always felt like i was a girl. and how exactly would menstruation be the best part?
Two question:
1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?
2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?
I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.
Mark_the_Lie
To answer your questions:
1) Given the number of responses here I'd wager there's quite a few people here who wants to know more about the topic, myself included.
2) It is always a good idea to be able to talk with someone who had the experience on such topics, and it helps other to know what it feels like to go through such procedures and more people can relate to these folks, thus lessen the potential fear and violence TG might have to face. It beats reading about it in books or from the internet.
And, I fail to detect any hint of arrogance...
[QUOTE="bobaban"]Alright thanks, I had it backwards. Though I must admit I'm confused by your particular case because you like women. Technically you're straight, but feel that you are a woman, right? And what is it exactly that makes you "feel" like a woman? How will you simulate menstruation, because I think that would be the best part of actually becoming a woman.[QUOTE="FUBAR24"] transgender is an umbrella term. the way i learned it was that because i have always felt like i was in the wrong body my mind was a different gender than my body making me transgendered, transexuals are people who truely change their sex. atleast thats the way i learned itFUBAR24
Also would you consider it wrong for me to state that if a transgendered person was hitting on a straight male, that the transgendered MUST identify as such even after the surgery.
um i wont be simulating menstruation thats something physically impossable unless not only do you get the sexual reasignment surgery which is cosmetic BUT you transplant female sexual organs into youre own body. thats why menstruation and child birth are two things MtF transgenders or transexuals will never have to deal with. and dressing as a woman helps me feel like a woman but ive always felt like i was a girl. and how exactly would menstruation be the best part?How best to really explain that. All humans are intitally female, it's the chemical change in the womb that determines if we become either male or female, in the terms of TG it's a case that the mind remained developing as male/female, but the body developed as according to the chemical change.
That's how TG happens, the brain develops differently from the body's external appearance, the feelings and so on are still thre, but the feelings don't match. Gender is a lot more than just the external appearance and the differences internally, it's also the brain as well.
But men actually have the female organs already, but it's sealed and covered with the male organs, minus the ovaries and the womb higher up. The operation essentially unseals that area.
The most painful parts, other than the op and making sure that the body doesn't go and cover the unsealed area up, is the mental aspects. Coming to terms with it, accepting it and finally living with it.
That can be the most painful and the most exhausting.
[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]
Two question:
1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?
2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?
I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.
ariz3260
To answer your questions:
1) Given the number of responses here I'd wager there's quite a few people here who wants to know more about the topic, myself included.
2) It is always a good idea to be able to talk with someone who had the experience on such topics, and it helps other to know what it feels like to go through such procedures and more people can relate to these folks, thus lessen the potential fear and violence TG might have to face. It beats reading about it in books or from the internet.
And, I fail to detect any hint of arrogance...
Heres my opinion: It doesnt matter if anyone weants to know one way or the other. People dont need to be quite because certain people dont wanna hear it. Be loud, dont give in.How best to really explain that. All humans are intitally female, it's the chemical change in the womb that determines if we become either male or female, in the terms of TG it's a case that the mind remained developing as male/female, but the body developed as according to the chamical change. That's how TG happens, the brain develops differently from the body's external appearance, the feelings and so on are still thre, but the feelings don't match. Gender is a lot more than just the external appearance and the differences internally, it's also the brain as well. But men actually have the female organs already, but it's sealed and covered with the male organs, minus the ovaries and the womb higher up. The operation essentially unseals that area. The most painful parts, other than the op and making sure that the body doesn't go and cover the unsealed area up, is the mental aspects. Coming to terms with it, accepting it and finally living with it. That can be the most painful and the most exhausting. Smokescreened84you are either male or female while you are still sperm. all off spring are treated as female until a certain point
Sorry if these was already asked, but I don't want to read every single post lol. But do you plan on having a lover one day then? :)
Giving by the comments and questions in this thread I would say that quite a few people like to ask questions. There are also about 3 other transgendered people in this thread. I think that overall they would know about growing up and living as a transgendered person more than you or me.[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]
[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]
Two question:
1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?
2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?
I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.
Smokescreened84
And it's better than another 'Worship religion, you unholy heathens, or burn! BURN!' thread. Those get so boring and so laughable.
More laughable than boring.[QUOTE="Sun_Princess"]i have had girlfriends in the past who accepted me so i have no doubt i will find another Thats good to hear! :) I'm glad that you have faith in finding someone for yourself.Sorry if these was already asked, but I don't want to read every single post lol. But do you plan on having a lover one day then? :)
FUBAR24
do your male friends still hang out with you jw bc my friends would never talk to me again if i said i was gay or something like that (Im not btw)
[QUOTE="jherbach1222"]um yes they do :| the ones who didnt i removed them from my lifedo your male friends still hang out with you jw bc my friends would never talk to me again if i said i was gay or something like that (Im not btw)
FUBAR24
thats great that you have friends like that! they should accept you regardless, my friends are stupid insecure jocks that pick on this gay student in my class it makes me want to cry the kid tried to hang himself twice :(
It is great when friends are accepting, a few of my friends have accepted it, which is good, and the friends I have made who are also TG are supportive.
It's just a shame that for the handful of accepting people that may be encountered, there are many who aren't accepting and can cause a lot of harm.
um yes they do :| the ones who didnt i removed them from my life[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="jherbach1222"]
do your male friends still hang out with you jw bc my friends would never talk to me again if i said i was gay or something like that (Im not btw)
jherbach1222
thats great that you have friends like that! they should accept you regardless, my friends are stupid insecure jocks that pick on this gay student in my class it makes me want to cry the kid tried to hang himself twice :(
That's really, really depressing. :( Have you tried telling them to lay off? I don't think it would help much...close-minded folks don't tend to change when a so-called "weakness" is evident, but it's maybe worth a try?[QUOTE="jherbach1222"][QUOTE="FUBAR24"] um yes they do :| the ones who didnt i removed them from my lifeLockedge
thats great that you have friends like that! they should accept you regardless, my friends are stupid insecure jocks that pick on this gay student in my class it makes me want to cry the kid tried to hang himself twice :(
That's really, really depressing. :( Have you tried telling them to lay off? I don't think it would help much...close-minded folks don't tend to change when a so-called "weakness" is evident, but it's maybe worth a try?Good thing i don't have kids like that in my lectures or anything (the ones that mock people without respite)...i want to hang myself without that...oh..that'd be bad...:|
I can't help but wonder why'd he'd give them the satisfaction of knowing they hurt him..
Can you get yourself pregnant? SquatsAreAwesom
Generally you need female organs for that...
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Can you get yourself pregnant? Xx_Hopeless_xX
Generally you need female organs for that...
Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused.[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Can you get yourself pregnant? SquatsAreAwesom
Generally you need female organs for that...
Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused. um you would need to have both female and male reproductive organs working at the same time so that only leaves hermaphrodites , if a male gets the sexual reasignment surgery its purely cosmetic. if you are born a man you will never be able to get pregnant[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Can you get yourself pregnant? SquatsAreAwesom
Generally you need female organs for that...
Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused.Transgender means that they were born with a female mindset but with a male body(if i'm wrong correct me..)
Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused.[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]
Generally you need female organs for that...
Xx_Hopeless_xX
Transgender means that they were born with a female mindset but with a male body(if i'm wrong correct me..)
nope you got it right[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Can you get yourself pregnant? SquatsAreAwesom
Generally you need female organs for that...
Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused.Sadly no, while the op allows for having the female organs, it doesn't implant ovaries and a womb. There is medical research into transplanting artifical wombs, but it's still a work in progress.
Sadly choosing to go through with the op means becoming sterile, a painful choice if you yearn to be a parent. And the law tends to look down on TG adopting children because of some notion that they aren't fit to be parents.
[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused. um you would need to have both female and male reproductive organs working at the same time so that only leaves hermaphrodites , if a male gets the sexual reasignment surgery its purely cosmetic. if you are born a man you will never be able to get pregnant I will note that it may be possible in the future for a donor organ could be transplanted into a transsexual who has had SRS, and that person could theoretically give birth. Stem-cell advancement could make it so rejection would be non-existant. But that's a decade or more in the future, I'd imagine, befoe it's a safe enough procedure.Generally you need female organs for that...
FUBAR24
um you would need to have both female and male reproductive organs working at the same time so that only leaves hermaphrodites , if a male gets the sexual reasignment surgery its purely cosmetic. if you are born a man you will never be able to get pregnant I will note that it may be possible in the future for a donor organ could be transplanted into a transsexual who has had SRS, and that person could theoretically give birth. Stem-cell advancement could make it so rejection would be non-existant. But that's a decade or more in the future, I'd imagine, befoe it's a safe enough procedure.yeah and even longer before HMOs will even consider covering it[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Wait... so transgender != transexual? I'm confused.Lockedge
[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I will note that it may be possible in the future for a donor organ could be transplanted into a transsexual who has had SRS, and that person could theoretically give birth. Stem-cell advancement could make it so rejection would be non-existant. But that's a decade or more in the future, I'd imagine, befoe it's a safe enough procedure.yeah and even longer before HMOs will even consider covering it XD It'll never be covered under any healthcare or insurance :P Strictly private. Probably starting off in Thailand as per most surgeries regarding transpeople.[QUOTE="FUBAR24"] um you would need to have both female and male reproductive organs working at the same time so that only leaves hermaphrodites , if a male gets the sexual reasignment surgery its purely cosmetic. if you are born a man you will never be able to get pregnantFUBAR24
Sadly no, while the op allows for having the female organs, it doesn't implant ovaries and a womb. There is medical research into transplanting artifical wombs, but it's still a work in progress.Smokescreened84I think I remember the first transgender male who got an operation actually got a womb and ovaries implanted during his surgery. She died shortly after, sadly, because surgery wasn't as good as it is today. Not hours after her operation, but I can't remember exactly how long.. Think this was the woman
I hope that medical science will become advanced enough to where they can implant ovaries and a womb into a TG MtF safely, though medical tech still seems to be at the leeches stage a lot of the time considering that technology has advanced, but medical funding is a joke.
By the time such medical advances become possible though I might be long sincedead from old age.
Sadly, yes :C Adoption is almost always an option, tho. Or a surrogate mother.I hope that medical science will become advanced enough to where they can implant ovaries and a womb into a TG MtF safely, though medical tech still seems to be at the leeches stage a lot of the time considering that technology has advanced, but medical funding is a joke.
By the time such medical advances become possible though I might be long sincedead from old age.
Smokescreened84
Directed desire indicates some sort of acting on the desire. It does not say TOWARDS someone of the same sex, it says DIRECTED. If someone has gay feelings, and is attracted to men, yet restrains it, gets married , loves his wife and is always faithful, this person is not homosexual. It is ultimately a decision.[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Gay tendencies do not make someoen gay I am not talking abotu gay tendencies. I am talkign about attraction to the same sex. That is what makes someone homosexual. Given that definition a man who has sexual attraction for the same sex who has sex with a woman would be considered straight. You do not understand what directed desire means. You said that it meant sexual activity which it does not. Desire does not mean sexual activity no matter how many words you put before it.
PeaceChild90
If he only had feelings towards men, then he was was, and always will be gay.
For instance, if I get married to a man now I will still be a lesbian, and I always will be.
False. It's ultimately an action.[QUOTE="Smokescreened84"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Giving by the comments and questions in this thread I would say that quite a few people like to ask questions. There are also about 3 other transgendered people in this thread. I think that overall they would know about growing up and living as a transgendered person more than you or me.
ZookGuy
And it's better than another 'Worship religion, you unholy heathens, or burn! BURN!' thread. Those get so boring and so laughable.
More laughable than boring. Hmm that seems pretty close minded and stereotypical of the religious, yet I bet you constantly accuse them of being close minded.I just find it laughable with the way the threads pop up. The behaviour that it's wrong and so on to not be religious is laughable, way I see it is that it shouldn't matter what your beliefs are in life as long as you're happy.
Just as it is with being trans-gender and so on, it shouldn't matter at all as long as the person is truly happy and isn't going around harming others and forcing them to be like themselves.
Life happens, and as sentient beings we make our choices or our choices are made for us by genetics or biology. Life just is.
[QUOTE="xXMarineCorpsXx"]See, the reason why I (and I believe FUBAR as well) am trying to spread our experiences and knowledge on the topic is because of perspectives such as yours. I've never considered myself to be male, I've always thought of myself as a female, and I'm currently undergoing a transition to make sure what I look like reflects my gender. The sooner people realize that what's between their legs is just biological development that CAN be developed incorrectly, the sooner people might come around to accepting us. People in general are getting better about intersexed people, so I can hope people will eventually get better about those like me. I can't force you to think of me as a woman, nor can I force anyone. Nor is force a good idea, anyways. I can assure you that it isn't forcing homosexuality on anyone, as that's totally different. When I'm done transitioning, I'll look 100% like a female, and I'll have had surgery to fix my nether regions. There will be no male appearance or male sexual organs, or any male gender within me. Strictly female, so it would be as f you're attracted to a regular girl born with a regular girl's body. I stated in another post, the dating issue is really thorny. The earlier we give up that information, the more we alienate ourselves and the easier it is for people to be violent to us. The longer we let it go, the better the chances of that person accepting us, but also the better chances of us being brutally assaulted and possibly murdered. It's literally a no-win situation for us. Playing the odds on either end of the spectrum, we're often either left alone, or beaten up. I think it's honestly all in HOW one comes out. If you say "I used to be a man" to make it simple, you're not doing to come out favorably. Also, it would not be truthful. We were never men, we just had the sexual organs of them. It's better to come out and say you're a transsexual and quickly, and concisely, lay out education of what a transsexual is, and how it affects them. Still, chances are we'll be rejected either way. There's a reason why 50%+ of transsexuals who are transitioning or have completed transition have been victims of physical assault. I won't go into the sexual assault statistics, I'll leave that to your imagination... Either way, we're not trying to deceive or trick anyone. We're not gay people who have taken it up a notch to prey on straight people. We're born with a condition and we just want to fix it, get it over with, and live a normal life.Dont get me wrong i feel you have every right to do whatever makes you happy and i hav no problems with it at all..but for the transgenders who arent only attracted to females and have sex with men..its kind of fu***d up dont you think. some of the jobs they can do now make it look so that these men/women become acually veryattractive and in every way reallooking girls or guys. by medical standards since your getting the hormones of a female/male put into you i guess you are technically a girl/guy. but as a guy if i found out my girlfriend was ocne a guy i no i would be like appauled and disgusted since i did that with a guy(plz no offense) and they didnt tell me before i even kissed them. so basicly what im asking is dont you feel its wrong to almost force homosexuality upon people without them noing(may have been a better way to word that but hopefully you no what im talking about)..wetherthe trans/girllooks like a girl or not to me, isstilla man(btw i no your not doing this im jsut asking in general).
Lockedge
yea i see what your saying and im sorry to hear about all the assaults and everything in no way do i find that right..personally though, though you may be completly 100% female idk i personally dont think id feel comftorble with it in the slightest bit, then again thats just me and im shure and know ,probaly many otherp eople would be fine with it...but in no way was i trying to imply anything towards alienating transexuals
See, the reason why I (and I believe FUBAR as well) am trying to spread our experiences and knowledge on the topic is because of perspectives such as yours. I've never considered myself to be male, I've always thought of myself as a female, and I'm currently undergoing a transition to make sure what I look like reflects my gender. The sooner people realize that what's between their legs is just biological development that CAN be developed incorrectly, the sooner people might come around to accepting us. People in general are getting better about intersexed people, so I can hope people will eventually get better about those like me. I can't force you to think of me as a woman, nor can I force anyone. Nor is force a good idea, anyways. I can assure you that it isn't forcing homosexuality on anyone, as that's totally different. When I'm done transitioning, I'll look 100% like a female, and I'll have had surgery to fix my nether regions. There will be no male appearance or male sexual organs, or any male gender within me. Strictly female, so it would be as f you're attracted to a regular girl born with a regular girl's body. I stated in another post, the dating issue is really thorny. The earlier we give up that information, the more we alienate ourselves and the easier it is for people to be violent to us. The longer we let it go, the better the chances of that person accepting us, but also the better chances of us being brutally assaulted and possibly murdered. It's literally a no-win situation for us. Playing the odds on either end of the spectrum, we're often either left alone, or beaten up. I think it's honestly all in HOW one comes out. If you say "I used to be a man" to make it simple, you're not doing to come out favorably. Also, it would not be truthful. We were never men, we just had the sexual organs of them. It's better to come out and say you're a transsexual and quickly, and concisely, lay out education of what a transsexual is, and how it affects them. Still, chances are we'll be rejected either way. There's a reason why 50%+ of transsexuals who are transitioning or have completed transition have been victims of physical assault. I won't go into the sexual assault statistics, I'll leave that to your imagination... Either way, we're not trying to deceive or trick anyone. We're not gay people who have taken it up a notch to prey on straight people. We're born with a condition and we just want to fix it, get it over with, and live a normal life.[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="xXMarineCorpsXx"]
Dont get me wrong i feel you have every right to do whatever makes you happy and i hav no problems with it at all..but for the transgenders who arent only attracted to females and have sex with men..its kind of fu***d up dont you think. some of the jobs they can do now make it look so that these men/women become acually veryattractive and in every way reallooking girls or guys. by medical standards since your getting the hormones of a female/male put into you i guess you are technically a girl/guy. but as a guy if i found out my girlfriend was ocne a guy i no i would be like appauled and disgusted since i did that with a guy(plz no offense) and they didnt tell me before i even kissed them. so basicly what im asking is dont you feel its wrong to almost force homosexuality upon people without them noing(may have been a better way to word that but hopefully you no what im talking about)..wetherthe trans/girllooks like a girl or not to me, isstilla man(btw i no your not doing this im jsut asking in general).
xXMarineCorpsXx
yea i see what your saying and im sorry to hear about all the assaults and everything in no way do i find that right..personally though, though you may be completly 100% female idk i personally dont think id feel comftorble with it in the slightest bit, then again thats just me and im shure and know ,probaly many otherp eople would be fine with it...but in no way was i trying to imply anything towards alienating transexuals
Oh, no, I fully understand where you're coming from and I don't blame you a bit in feeling the way you do. Everyone has limits to what they can take in a relationship, and those limits should always be respected, so if you consider transsexuals out of bounds, then that's understandable. The last thing we're looking for is to be let down in relationships, so we tend to prod a bit to find out information about the subject before anything gets serious, and that usually involves coming out and informing whomever we're attempting to have a relationship with. If you're not comfortable with the idea, that should be respected, and both parties could leave it at that. :) I do hope there are a fair amount of people open to the idea, I just tend to be a bit pessimistic and cautious about the whole dating scene in general. But yeah, thanks for replying and posting in the thread; it's always good to talk to people about this, and even if people aren't comfortable with it, they at least know more than they did coming out of it. All I'm concerned about is assault after people find out we're trans, and if you feel there's a decent number of people out there who would be willing to at least maybe be ok with it, that gives me a bit of hope for the future. :DPlease Log In to post.
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