Ask a Transgendered Person (a good idea from Wolls)

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

He's forcing his sexual preferences on someone is he not...? Did i say that the beliefs were specifically being forced on me..no..

Why exactly are we arguing about my opinion on the subject?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

AGAIN..i said "I AM IN NO WAY GENERALIZING"...

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I thought hormones created cancer :|..or made you more susceptible to it...the hormones your talking about at least..i don't know..maybe i'm confusing it with something else..

FUBAR24

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If your opinion includes falsities like "homosexuals are forcing their beliefs on others" then I dont think you should be surprised that we are arguing with you.

darkmoney52

AGAIN..i said "I AM IN NO WAY GENERALIZING"...

No, my point was i dislike the ones that FORCE themselves on people and create rallies..

No offense but this is going quite off topic. The threads supposed to be about transgenderism, not homosexual discrimination.

Pixel-Pirate

Agreed, somehow it got turned into "We Support Homosexuals, Your Beliefs are wrong", and possibly vice versa, but to a lesser extent.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

AGAIN..i said "I AM IN NO WAY GENERALIZING"...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No, my point was i dislike the ones that FORCE themselves on people and create rallies..

Agreed, My Parents have a Homosexual Friend, he's a pretty nice guy. He comes over the house sometimes, we just ask him to please not bring his significant other, and he respects our religion. Hopeless is trying to say the ones that Force themselves, as in rally at the capital, are disliked. Moreover the ones in New York City that defiled a Communion by stepping on it. Those are the ones that he's talking about.:D

So....basically the ones who don't hide who they are and pretend to be heterosexual are forcing themselves on others?

wut.

So....basically the ones who don't hide who they are and pretend to be heterosexual are forcing themselves on others?

wut.

Pixel-Pirate

No..hard to explain..and i'd rather not get into a debate..:|

Way to go off-topic on an off-topic thread guys...

These books you type of are no doubt by people with the same philosophies as you. Why should I buy what they're selling? Also it's odd how I got modded for debating in a civil manner when you're fine typing something much more crude and offensive towards me. Trashface

You're free to believe this is one big social agenda, I suppose. I'm going to believe the scientists and psychologists who tried to 'cure' transsexualism and failed, and found out that it's impossible to truly cure because it's biological and developed in the womb, so unpreventable as well. I'm sorry if my statement was a bit crude, but you equating my struggle with some fantasy of being a falcon, and the absurd consequences of such, I was a little heated. I wouldn't say my statement was much more crude and offensive, I'd say it was less so, but still crude. For that I apologize, although I do think your comparisons are entirely petty and unfounded.

Do you think there's any validity in the argument that some transgendered people change from (for example) men who are attracted to men, to women who end up being attracted to women, because its about being attracted to the same gender as yourself, rather than a specific gender in particular?Bourbons3

I've only heard one or two bits about something like this in the past, so I don't think it's a common happening. I would imagine that there's the odd case of someone who is trying to turn themselves into a member of the opposite sex that they would previously find sexually attractive, and I suppose that may end up with that person feeling more confident to approach members of the newly obtained sex...but again, that's me thinking that idea up, and normally that would be caught. There is a reason that we need continual psychiatric sessions to address us before we can get sexual reassignment surgery, and the success rate is very good in catching people with such plans in mind(as most likely, they don't want to change sex permanently, they just have unresolved issues).

Dont get me wrong i feel you have every right to do whatever makes you happy and i hav no problems with it at all..but for the transgenders who arent only attracted to females and have sex with men..its kind of fu***d up dont you think. some of the jobs they can do now make it look so that these men/women become acually veryattractive and in every way reallooking girls or guys. by medical standards since your getting the hormones of a female/male put into you i guess you are technically a girl/guy. but as a guy if i found out my girlfriend was ocne a guy i no i would be like appauled and disgusted since i did that with a guy(plz no offense) and they didnt tell me before i even kissed them. so basicly what im asking is dont you feel its wrong to almost force homosexuality upon people without them noing(may have been a better way to word that but hopefully you no what im talking about)..wetherthe trans/girllooks like a girl or not to me, isstilla man(btw i no your not doing this im jsut asking in general).

xXMarineCorpsXx

WEIRD! Up until today you were just the dude I argued with about our cars

GioVela2010

Why does sexuality take such a big part in your life? Can't your preference in sex remain just a preference, and not take a massive part of your lifestyle? Or do you simply like to stand out like a sore thumb? Do you go to sex clubs or something?KHAndAnime

lol wow talk about getting thread jacked

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"] lot of people stare and yeah i usually hear derogatives in the halls but i just ignore itFUBAR24

I tend to not care what people look like..

yea but thats ok because youre a translesbian, so you go after lesbians, so no traditionalism is really there. Right?

question: are lesbians as receptive to translesbians as they are to other "regular" lesbians?

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I tend to not care what people look like..

mrbojangles25

yea but thats ok because youre a translesbian, so you go after lesbians, so no traditionalism is really there. Right?

question: are lesbians as receptive to translesbians as they are to other "regular" lesbians?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"] and a lot of people dont but there are still a lot who do care about traditional gender roles and appearancesFUBAR24

yea but thats ok because youre a translesbian, so you go after lesbians, so no traditionalism is really there. Right?

question: are lesbians as receptive to translesbians as they are to other "regular" lesbians?

ahhhhh

you realize lesbians are attracted to women, not men who surgically cut off their penis.?

Deano

:roll:

you realize lesbians are attracted to women, not men who surgically cut off their penis.?

Deano

Oshawa, ON -- A request from 17-year-old Catholic high school student Marc Hall for permission to take his 21-year-old "boyfriend" to his school's graduation prom in May has become a rallying cry for Ontario homosexuals to promote their lifestyle and denounce Catholic opposition to it.

And you seemed to ignore the fact that i said "in my experience"..generally that means..PERSONAL experiences...if you'd like i could tell them to you..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="clayron"]How & when did you begin to recognize that you felt different in regards to your gender? Did you immediately decide to begin identifying better with the gender you felt more comfortable with? If not, what gave you the confidence to finally do it? What type of issues do you deal with as a transgender? Any are there any other things would you like to discuss. The reason I ask is because of all the things in the world transgenders are one of the few things that make me uncomfortable, and I would like to become informed about transgender so that I can get the hell over my own prejudice. FUBAR24

Nope, you're not alone with it. Last year I came to accept that I'm trans-gender after years of repressing it, since I felt it was wrong of me to feel as I do - more femaine instead of male.

I was brought up to think as and to be male, but I never connected with it, I found it offensive and wrong. But since society has a somewhat narrow black and white view of how people should be, then I had to pretend to be male while repressing the woman I am.
It wasn't until last year when I finally accepted it, after years of misery, depression and attempts to end my life because I couldn't and can't bear being male, after accepting it the misery I was in faded away.

I'm pre-op, have to get started on the hormones though it's taking time. However even before the hormones I'm having to deal with almost 30 years of repressed feelings, and there's a lot of them. So I'm having to deal with a lot of mood swings and other things, it's like being through puberty again and I hated that.
I don't dress up, though I know I'll have to soon so I'm trying to get my limited budget to work, and I'm bi, but I control any feelings in that area with complete ease.

It can be confusing, there are days when I want to curl up and cry and there are days when I want to throttle anyone who annoys me, and a lot of the time I wish I could tear the male parts off and be rid of every sight of my male body, to be the woman I am.
Also I've found that my gaming, my love of Trek, my curiousity, my love of learning and my innate kindness is all part of the woman I am. And mood swings fairly seem to help in gaming.

Being TG also gives the person an insight into both the female and male minds, allows them to understand and interact with people of both genders a lot easier. Of course that can be confusing as well.
Being TG is not a case of waking up one day and saying you are, it's something that's there all your life, coming to accept it is never easy due to the expectations of society. I am unable to think and feel as male, although I understand males very easily, but I can't be like them.

However being TG comes with a painful choice to make - I yearn to be a parent, but if I stay as male then I would be a very miserable, very unhappy father and I would hate to cause harm to any children I woould maybe have, while getting the op means I'll become sterile. It's a painful choice to make and I've decided to get the op, because if I stay as male then the misery I was in before will only return.

Being TG isn't something that can be switched on and off, if it were then I'm sure many would try to switch off the side of themselves that they can't be. I know I would happily switch off the male side and be rid of it, but I have to live with both and likely even after the op I'll still have to live with aspects of it like the aggression and vicious temper I have.
But I'll adapt and find a way to control that, as I have done already. I have to find my happiness and my happiness is in having my gender switched to the gender I am, female.

I am as I am, and I can never be what socieity demands of me because of my external gender.

Oh, and I'm religious, but I never allow my faith and belief to get in the way of my heart.

Trans-gender is regarded both pre and post op due to the nature of the feelings.

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]so you got the surgery?FUBAR24

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="clayron"]How & when did you begin to recognize that you felt different in regards to your gender? Did you immediately decide to begin identifying better with the gender you felt more comfortable with? If not, what gave you the confidence to finally do it? What type of issues do you deal with as a transgender? Any are there any other things would you like to discuss. The reason I ask is because of all the things in the world transgenders are one of the few things that make me uncomfortable, and I would like to become informed about transgender so that I can get the hell over my own prejudice. Smokescreened84

Nope, you're not alone with it. Last year I came to accept that I'm trans-gender after years of repressing it, since I felt it was wrong of me to feel as I do - more femaine instead of male.

I was brought up to think as and to be male, but I never connected with it, I found it offensive and wrong. But since society has a somewhat narrow black and white view of how people should be, then I had to pretend to be male while repressing the woman I am.
It wasn't until last year when I finally accepted it, after years of misery, depression and attempts to end my life because I couldn't and can't bear being male, after accepting it the misery I was in faded away.

I'm pre-op, have to get started on the hormones though it's taking time. However even before the hormones I'm having to deal with almost 30 years of repressed feelings, and there's a lot of them. So I'm having to deal with a lot of mood swings and other things, it's like being through puberty again and I hated that.
I don't dress up, though I know I'll have to soon so I'm trying to get my limited budget to work, and I'm bi, but I control any feelings in that area with complete ease.

It can be confusing, there are days when I want to curl up and cry and there are days when I want to throttle anyone who annoys me, and a lot of the time I wish I could tear the male parts off and be rid of every sight of my male body, to be the woman I am.
Also I've found that my gaming, my love of Trek, my curiousity, my love of learning and my innate kindness is all part of the woman I am. And mood swings fairly seem to help in gaming.

Being TG also gives the person an insight into both the female and male minds, allows them to understand and interact with people of both genders a lot easier. Of course that can be confusing as well.
Being TG is not a case of waking up one day and saying you are, it's something that's there all your life, coming to accept it is never easy due to the expectations of society. I am unable to think and feel as male, although I understand males very easily, but I can't be like them.

However being TG comes with a painful choice to make - I yearn to be a parent, but if I stay as male then I would be a very miserable, very unhappy father and I would hate to cause harm to any children I woould maybe have, while getting the op means I'll become sterile. It's a painful choice to make and I've decided to get the op, because if I stay as male then the misery I was in before will only return.

Being TG isn't something that can be switched on and off, if it were then I'm sure many would try to switch off the side of themselves that they can't be. I know I would happily switch off the male side and be rid of it, but I have to live with both and likely even after the op I'll still have to live with aspects of it like the aggression and vicious temper I have.
But I'll adapt and find a way to control that, as I have done already. I have to find my happiness and my happiness is in having my gender switched to the gender I am, female.

I am as I am, and I can never be what socieity demands of me because of my external gender.

Oh, and I'm religious, but I never allow my fith and belief to get in the way of my heart.

Good to see another here :D

I'm sorry you've went so long suffering. Everyone has their own turning point, and I'm glad you're on the road to recovery so to speak, even if it's going to be bumpy and twisty. Hormones can do some crazy things to your mind in terms of the mood swings :P It requires a LOT of patience(or at least, it has for me) and a lot of time, but if happiness is the end result, then it's worth it. :)

And religion doesn't really play much of a part in the whole ordeal, especially transsexualism in general(nothing in the Bible about it, and even the extreme fundamentalist country Iran recognizes that there's nothing bad about it). :P

Forgive me if this question has already been asked, but how does a transgendered person deal with having a voice not befitting of their assumed gender? Would you go to a speech therapist?D_Battery

So...i'm confused with one thing...i mean..what made you actually decide to...declare yourself "Transgender(is that the correct term?)"...sorry if someone asked this already..

There is voice training lessons where the voice can be trained to sound more femaine. Some who are TG may already have the voice, but it would still need work on the tone so that it's not so deep, or for female to male it would be a case of learning how to deepen the voice and make it hold.

It's a lot harder than it sounds since you have to train the vocal cords to first find the right tone and pitch, then try to make it hold. And you can never ease up on the training until it becomes effortless, so it's something that can take a long time to get just right.
I'm still learning, I started voice training a few months ago.

When soemone who's TG comes to accept themself, they are tagged as TG by anyone who finds out or they tell, I was told well before I came to accept myself that I was regarded as such because I always tended to be very femanine with my manner, my behaviour towards others and how I expressed myself, I never came across as male.
Of course I denied it at the time because I thought it was wrong of me to feel as I did, but it began to answer a lot of questions.

It's definitely not something that's easy to accept at first, it takes a lot of soul searching and self questioning before it finally begins to make sense. Of course it still tends to be hidden because of reactions from anyone who tends to misunderstand.

There is voice training lessons where the voice can be trained to sound more femaine. Some who are TG may already have the voice, but it would still need work on the tone so that it's not so deep, or for female to male it would be a case of learning how to deepen the voice and make it hold.

It's a lot harder than it sounds since you have to train the vocal cords to first find the right tone and pitch, then try to make it hold. And you can never ease up on the training until it becomes effortless, so it's something that can take a long time to get just right.
I'm still learning, I started voice training a few months ago.

Smokescreened84

Interesting..i would just be too lazy to go through all that trouble :P...

Anything worth doing is never easy, and the voice training, self acceptance and doing what's required for the op as well as your own life is never easy.

It never helps to be lazy when it comes to things you must do.

Anything worth doing is never easy, and the voice training, self acceptance and doing what's required for the op as well as your own life is never easy.

It never helps to be lazy when it comes to things you must do.

Smokescreened84

I was attempting a joke...

I don't know how you deal with that though..

I despise myself :(...

Back to the topic...:|

I know, I just tend to not show much emotion, something I learned to do when I was a child in order to hide not only my true self, but also the abuse I had endured.

Basically the way to consider someone who's TG is the gender they are within, not the gender they are on the outside. So for those who are male to female, regard them as female, while for female to male, regard them as male. It helps.

And yes, I do tend to be quite 'girly' at times, like giggling at odd moments, my emotions sometimes showing and that's been increasing in the past few months - beware a woman who has not had any chocolate, vicious isn't the word for it.
Life happens.

However telling family is the hard part, while my mum and brother know, the rest of my family doesn't. Not yet anyway, they will eventually, but I'm worried on how they'll take it.

I know, I just tend to not show much emotion, something I learned to do when I was a child in order to hide not only my true self, but also the abuse I had endured.

Basically the way to consider someone who's TG is the gender they are within, not the gender they are on the outside. So for those who are male to female, regard them as female, while for female to male, regard them as male. It helps.

And yes, I do tend to be quite 'girly' at times, like giggling at odd moments, my emotions sometimes showing and that's been increasing in the past few months - beware a woman who has not had any chocolate, vicious isn't the word for it.
Life happens.

However telling family is the hard part, while my mum and brother know, the rest of my family doesn't. Not yet anyway, they will eventually, but I'm worried on how they'll take it.

Smokescreened84

I can relate to the part in the red...

Two question:

1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?

2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?

I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.

Mark_the_Lie

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]so you got the surgery?bobaban

[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

Two question:

1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?

2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?

I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.

BumFluff122

And it's better than another 'Worship religion, you unholy heathens, or burn! BURN!' thread. Those get so boring and so laughable.

[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

Two question:

1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?

2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?

I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Mark_the_Lie"]

Two question:

1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?

2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?

I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.

Smokescreened84

And it's better than another 'Worship religion, you unholy heathens, or burn! BURN!' thread. Those get so boring and so laughable.

Actually they're more "If you worship this religion your wrong because XYZ"..or "I hate George Bush/Is Obama doing a good job?"...and i do find them tiresome as well..let everyone practice whatever..let people live with political delusions...as i've said...arguing with someone about his/her opinion is pointless as it will lead to nothing but aggravation for everyone involved..

IF you're a Catholic you're not supposed to let your Heart get in the way of your Religion. IF not, then Okay.

I'm not debating this.

I'm Christian/Catholic. Though I love science and don't allow my faith and beliefs tolimit what I learn and do in life because there's so much more to life than self-limiting allows.

This question may have already been asked, but, are you in a relationship? and if you have been/are, how did the other person take it? Do you let them know straight up that you consider yourself a lesbian and plan to get a sex change, or do you procede on with your manhood (trying to keep it pg, home what I'm getting at goes well) There was a show with a male lesbian and he was dating a bi girl and she wanted him to, apply his manlyness to their relationship, but he refused, just wanted to know if it;s the same for youHybridPhoenix

I'm not sure about the others, but I'm not. When I came to accept myself I decided that I would never allow myself to love in a romantic sense, since it would just be too awkward to explain to a loved one about how I was before.

It's a painful choice to make and I hate how lonely I tend to be, but it's a safe measure to prevent harming anyone I might have fallen in love with, surprisingly it's quite easy, well I found it easy, to make sure that I can't love anyone romantically, painful, but easy.

[QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]This question may have already been asked, but, are you in a relationship? and if you have been/are, how did the other person take it? Do you let them know straight up that you consider yourself a lesbian and plan to get a sex change, or do you procede on with your manhood (trying to keep it pg, home what I'm getting at goes well) There was a show with a male lesbian and he was dating a bi girl and she wanted him to, apply his manlyness to their relationship, but he refused, just wanted to know if it;s the same for youSmokescreened84

I'm not sure about the others, but I'm not. When I came to accept myself I decided that I would never allow myself to love in a romantic sense, since it would just be too awkward to explain to a loved one about how I was before.

It's a painful choice to make and I hate how lonely I tend to be, but it's a safe measure to prevent harming anyone I might have fallen in love with, surprisingly it's quite easy, well I found it easy, to make sure that I can't love anyone romantically, painful, but easy.

Two question:

1) What makes you think we want to know anything about you, or transgender people in general?

2) What makes you consider yourself an information resource?

I mean, really...what an arrogant thread.

[QUOTE="HybridPhoenix"]This question may have already been asked, but, are you in a relationship? and if you have been/are, how did the other person take it? Do you let them know straight up that you consider yourself a lesbian and plan to get a sex change, or do you procede on with your manhood (trying to keep it pg, home what I'm getting at goes well) There was a show with a male lesbian and he was dating a bi girl and she wanted him to, apply his manlyness to their relationship, but he refused, just wanted to know if it;s the same for youFUBAR24