so i guess the mona lisa is just another womans face in a paint and miguel angelos statue of david is just a random naked guy and so on. I have the custom to go and see them every year and they can really surprise with the new ways they make them, your comment is just plain ignorant. Im atheist, so your "hardcore christian" is nonsense, everyone can appreciate good and beautiful piece of work.
Seraphy-
most people would like strings of lights on everything than staring at a painting, a statue with a small penis and some props around a crib good on the people that can see those things for more than just that, but as my point stands, the average person doesn't and I am legitimately curious, how do they "surprise" you?
well they usually do it with different styles and materials, its kinda like different artists doing the same comic, each has its own style so to speak. Also they usually do different kinds of lighting and stuff.
They purposefully bought out a site family's have enjoyed for 60 years just to cram their BS down everyone's throats. I don't care if it IS the "correct" message, that kind of disrespect just pisses me off.
Now you know how I feel on a daily basis. When I have to look at constant christian propaganda.
They purposefully bought out a site family's have enjoyed for 60 years just to cram their BS down everyone's throats. I don't care if it IS the "correct" message, that kind of disrespect just pisses me off.
Now you know how I feel on a daily basis. When I have to look at constant christian propaganda.
Yeah Yeah cause theres no atheist propaganda on the internet on a daily basis... Seriously think about what your saying for a moment...
I agree in part that they are misusing this space. They shouldn't be posting messages insulting Christianity directly, they should be posting alternative versions of Bible stories: Joeseph plowing Mary, Jesus and his disciples getting hammered at the Last Supper, and an explanation of the Big Bang theory.
Atheists should have no say in anything. I don't care if you worship the devil (Allah) everybody should believe in something. There is a creater we did not just explode from a damn dust particle. If we did then who created the dust particle?
Atheists should have no say in anything. I don't care if you worship the devil (Allah) everybody should believe in something. There is a creater we did not just explode from a damn dust particle. If we did then who created the dust particle?
MAG_19
I believe in humanity (though my faith is severely tested at times) and in science, not nothing. Who says anyone created anything? You're assuming the conclusion. If there is a creator then who created him?
Hey, they got their spaces so let them do what they want with them.
Personally, I kinda think those on the "anti-Christian crusade," as the article put it,are pretty pathetic, but it's not against any laws to be pathetic.
They purposefully bought out a site family's have enjoyed for 60 years just to cram their BS down everyone's throats. I don't care if it IS the "correct" message, that kind of disrespect just pisses me off. dude.. it was a lottery. the plots were granted to the winners. seems fair. i don't know why you're getting so freaked out over this.. what was unfair was that christian groups had been given sole ownership of the plots for the past 6 decades...
I agree in part that they are misusing this space. They shouldn't be posting messages insulting Christianity directly, they should be posting alternative versions of Bible stories: Joeseph plowing Mary, Jesus and his disciples getting hammered at the Last Supper, and an explanation of the Big Bang theory.
That's the kind of stuff that makes me ashamed to be an atheist. I don't believe in god, but if other people do, that's fine with me. I don't need the whole world to change to suit my own view of it. In fact I find it rather charming to see symbols of people's beliefs displayed publicly. It gives the world some character.
From a public relations standpoint it's as asinine as it gets as well. When people think of atheists, they don't think of people like me who just have their own beliefs, no - they think of these loudmouth a-holes who just want to p*** everybody off.
Wow.:| A tradition for California for 60 years has been 14 stands displaying the birth of baby Jesus, and now some a-hole atheist group bought out all but two to convince people how much of a "myth" it is. Kind of sad, really. Here's the link: http://www.sddt.com/News/article.cfm?SourceCode=20111213cb&_t=Atheist+messages+displace+park+nativity+scenes
the_plan_man
yes yes boo hoo you are the most picked on minority of all time in which everyone believes the exact same thing you do.
lets all take a moment to remember how marginalized this 85% of our population is and to pledge our support.
... This happens both ways, people act like this is something that only happens with one group.. Who cares in the end, its not like the Christian faith is some how in danger of some how being destroyed.. Its trivial at best to even have such a heated debate or reaction to something so trivial.
... This happens both ways, people act like this is something that only happens with one group.. Who cares in the end, its not like the Christian faith is some how in danger of some how being destroyed.. Its trivial at best to even have such a heated debate or reaction to something so trivial.sSubZerOo
A somewhat rare case that I kinda agree with sSubZerOo.
Typically, I'm not sure what the big deal is in these situations. If a Christian's faith can be so easily shaken as to be done by a dopey banner/sign/display, then perhaps that person's faith wasn't as strong as they had thought. On the opposite side of the coin, if the mere sight of a nativity scene truly "offends" someone, I think they have bigger problems in life than they areleading people to believe.
I find it funny that an atheist group (which is stupid in it'self) is spending money and time to do soemthing like this. Whynot spend that money on something that can help people, like helping an orphangage or sick animals or something?I think these people are overly sensitive and need to toughen up, so what if there is an image of the nativity scene? Does that hurt you? Why don't you just ignore it when you go by? It's not that hard folks. This is kinda like how I hear from atheists on here who say they get all offended if someone whishes them merry christmas or say God bless you when they sneeze, get over it. It's not going to hurt you and your world isn't going to explode.
I know there are religious people out there who get pushy with thier views, but what this group of atheists are doing is no different either.
Hmm... when Christians do it to others, its fine. But when atheists do exactly the same thing, they are deemed "a-holes" and are in the wrong. Interesting.
[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] They purposefully bought out a site family's have enjoyed for 60 years just to cram their BS down everyone's throats. I don't care if it IS the "correct" message, that kind of disrespect just pisses me off.fueled-system
Now you know how I feel on a daily basis. When I have to look at constant christian propaganda.
Yeah Yeah cause theres no atheist propaganda on the internet on a daily basis... Seriously think about what your saying for a moment...
Think about what I said. Obviously I'm acknowledgingthat there is atheist propaganda by saying the feeling is mutual....
How the hell do interpret "Christians feelings towards atheist propaganda is the same as atheist feelings towards christian propaganda" as "There is absolutely no atheist marketing WHAT SO EVER!!!"
They purposefully bought out a site family's have enjoyed for 60 years just to cram their BS down everyone's throats. I don't care if it IS the "correct" message, that kind of disrespect just pisses me off.
I can't access the article again, but I read that they apparently played by the rules to use areas in the city. what was in those spots, and how could it be "crammed" down people's throats?
I find it funny that an atheist group (which is stupid in it'self) is spending money and time to do soemthing like this. Whynot spend that money on something that can help people, like helping an orphangage or sick animals or something? I think these people are overly sensitive and need to toughen up, so what if there is an image of the nativity scene? Does that hurt you? Why don't you just ignore it when you go by? It's not that hard folks. This is kinda like how I hear from atheists on here who say they get all offended if someone whishes them merry christmas or say God bless you when they sneeze, get over it. It's not going to hurt you and your world isn't going to explode.
I know there are religious people out there who get pushy with thier views, but what this group of atheists are doing is no different either.
ShadowMoses900
you could ask that about everyone who spends money. promoting the value of reason and communicating with individual nonbelievers out there is part of a long term goal. lots of orginzations try to look ahead towards much bigger positive change in the future at the expense of immediate short term charities.
What's the big deal? I don't see anyone complaining when a church makes a billboard stating all non-believers will be going to hell. That Gay's/Lesbians are abominations and that God will judge them accordingly. Now when a few Atheist decide to make their own ad, its a huge problem? WTF?...:?
What's the big deal? I don't see anyone complaining when a church makes a billboard stating all non-believers will be going to hell. That Gay's/Lesbians are abominations and that God will judge them accordingly. Now when a few Atheist decide to make there own ad, its a huge problem? WTF?...:?tocool340
[QUOTE="tocool340"]What's the big deal? I don't see anyone complaining when a church makes a billboard stating all non-believers will be going to hell. That Gay's/Lesbians are abominations and that God will judge them accordingly. Now when a few Atheist decide to make there own ad, its a huge problem? WTF?...:?sonicare
I complained. Err....I don't see many people on here complaining...:P
How dare they use the space they purchased in the manner they see fit!
worlock77
well they may have the legal right to do so, but don't you think the money would've been better spent on helping poor people rather than buying property in order to prevent Nativity Scenes from being displayed?
Ah, pie. That Mrs. Smith makes the best. And every year at the bake sale she puts out some nice homemade pie. Me and alot of others enjoy it. But a few people don't like the pie. They don't have to eat it, no one is forcing them too, they don't even have to look at it. But since they don't like it, this year they go to the stores and buy all of the ingredients so that Mrs. Smith can't make the pie. Yeah, they bought it fair and square with their money, but now the ingredients are just sitting there getting closer to their expiration date just so they Mrs. Smith couldn't maker her pie because the non pie likers didn't want any pie. :cry:
It's not huge deal..but my family and i are close to that park and it was nice to see each year..we enjoyed it...for us..it is a tradition...am i disappointed they are not there...sure...am i going to go loco on sum fooo's...Sorry...no..
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] I sure don't.dkdk999
And that is a reason why wars are fought.... eh people go to war because they want to violently force their beliefs on other people. Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;)
How dare they use the space they purchased in the manner they see fit!
whipassmt
well they may have the legal right to do so, but don't you think the money would've been better spent on helping poor people rather than buying property in order to prevent Nativity Scenes from being displayed?
.. We can say that for any organization or person out there though...
[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And that is a reason why wars are fought....LJS9502_basic
eh people go to war because they want to violently force their beliefs on other people. Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;) well it certainly is true. But it's not sound logic. wanting to violently force your beliefs on others= intolerance, but intolerance=/= wanting to violent force your beliefs on others. I think it's bad to seperate people into "beliefs" as if their all equal.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Maybe they should stick with their "beliefs" and not waste money for no apparent purpose except to hurt others. Maybe?LOXO7
How are they hurting anyone exactly? Also, they aren't throwing money into a fire or anything, it says that they are trying to convince people how ridiculous religion is. That's not atheism.
@Bloodaxe726 It depends on what the Girl Scouts would of used it for. Nothing, like these people? Yes. I would say the same thing. A tradition of 60 years and then all of a sudden someone else buys the space to not put anything on it? Fair is fair right? But it's not fair because they spent money to do nothing. It's hurting them and others. Like an Internet troll.
Both the church and these people bidded on the lots, the church lost in 18 cases. These people had the same right to those locations as everyone else, heck if you really cared so much YOU could have gone and bid on it. However as it stands, these two people who outbid the church happen to be atheists, and they happen to be spreading their beliefs. They're doing the same thing the church would have done, only now the church cant spread their Myths, so now the church is up in arms. How is this even an issue?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] eh people go to war because they want to violently force their beliefs on other people.dkdk999
Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;) well it certainly is true. But it's not sound logic. wanting to violently force your beliefs on others= intolerance, but intolerance=/= wanting to violent force your beliefs on others. I think it's bad to seperate people into "beliefs" as if their all equal. Intolerance to others is simple.....you don't tolerate someone for whatever reason being different than yourself. Period. Your post above is all over the place and was not the scope of my comment. It's also not "sound" logically. If you go out of your way to prevent their actions SOLELY because you don't agree with them...you are intolerant. And insecure as well.....but that's a story for another day.
In regard to beliefs.....they are all equal. We all have a right to believe what we want.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] eh people go to war because they want to violently force their beliefs on other people.dkdk999
Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;) well it certainly is true. But it's not sound logic. wanting to violently force your beliefs on others= intolerance, but intolerance=/= wanting to violent force your beliefs on others. I think it's bad to seperate people into "beliefs" as if their all equal.
Well, according to him anyone who doesn suck Christianity's c*ck is intolerant, so I wouldn't really worry too much about it. Is this a bit pedantic? Perhaps, but Christians have practiced evangelism for centuries now, and for the most part their evangelism has been a lot more aggressive than "hurr hurr, ur stoopid." I'm not going to go around putting any ads like this up, but I'm not going to feel bad for any Christians who take offense at them either. When athesits hold inquistions and kill Christians for not converting then call me, until then quit your b*tching.
It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.
As I sit here, waiting for quitting time, I'm thinking....
This basic topic (anti-Christian/anti-Religious billboards, displays, etc) comes up a lot here in OT (and other places). But I wonder how successful they are at reaching their goal. That is, typically the debate ends up being whether or not the atheists in question are being pricks, not whether or not Christianity/religion is bogus. So if their goal is to debunk religion, I think they're doing it wrong.
It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.
I mean, that's just mean.
Wasdie
I'd say that goes more sofor the out-of-towners that are mentioned in the article.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;)theone86
well it certainly is true. But it's not sound logic. wanting to violently force your beliefs on others= intolerance, but intolerance=/= wanting to violent force your beliefs on others. I think it's bad to seperate people into "beliefs" as if their all equal.
Well, according to him anyone who doesn suck Christianity's c*ck is intolerant, so I wouldn't really worry too much about it. Is this a bit pedantic? Perhaps, but Christians have practiced evangelism for centuries now, and for the most part their evangelism has been a lot more aggressive than "hurr hurr, ur stoopid." I'm not going to go around putting any ads like this up, but I'm not going to feel bad for any Christians who take offense at them either. When athesits hold inquistions and kill Christians for not converting then call me, until then quit your b*tching.
Someone's panties are in a bunch. I don't like intolerance for any reason whether it's done by an atheist, a Christian, A Muslim, A Buddhist etc. But then again since you agree with the premise behind this....you're willing to go beyond and accept it. Though I dare say if a Christian had done something to an atheist activity you'd be willing to crucify them.
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