Atheists displace nativity scenes in California

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Wasdie

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

sSubZerOo

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

sSubZerOo

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Nibroc420

:|

Really?

Does it matter which day they celebrate it?

Why are you trying ot derail the point at hand with something completely irrelevant?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Planet_Pluto

If done intentionally, I guess it's a bit of an ass-hattish move, but it's not like there aren't other Nativity scenes around.

Well they did buy the spaces so they can put up what they want.Treflis

The point is they they knew they were buying it when traditionally it was used by a Christian group to put up Nativity scenes. They are purpously being dicks.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Wasdie

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

Christian's think they're so high and mighty because they're celebrating for these "real reasons" but when you can't even get your savior's birthday right....Nibroc420

Ok you just mad.

[QUOTE="Treflis"]Well they did buy the spaces so they can put up what they want.Wasdie

The point is they they knew they were buying it when traditionally it was used by a Christian group to put up Nativity scenes. They are purpously being dicks.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] well it certainly is true. But it's not sound logic. wanting to violently force your beliefs on others= intolerance, but intolerance=/= wanting to violent force your beliefs on others. I think it's bad to seperate people into "beliefs" as if their all equal.

LJS9502_basic

Well, according to him anyone who doesn suck Christianity's c*ck is intolerant, so I wouldn't really worry too much about it. Is this a bit pedantic? Perhaps, but Christians have practiced evangelism for centuries now, and for the most part their evangelism has been a lot more aggressive than "hurr hurr, ur stoopid." I'm not going to go around putting any ads like this up, but I'm not going to feel bad for any Christians who take offense at them either. When athesits hold inquistions and kill Christians for not converting then call me, until then quit your b*tching.

Maybe we can help each other get our panties untangled, as we seem to be in the same predicament.

Uh, bullsh*t. If this was a Christian group doing the same thing you would be in here arguing about how they bought the ads fairly so they have every right to run them. I know because I've seen it before. You're all for "tolerance" when it fits your agenda, not so much when it doesn't.

I think that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I specifically said I wasn't behind the ads in principle, but I'm not going to blast atheists for it when Christians do the same thing on a regular basis.

I agree with the premise behind intolerance being bad, I don't see making an ontological argument against Christian beliefs as intolerant.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

sSubZerOo

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Kind of a dick move by them.

It's one thing to not celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ and it's another to interrupt something that has been kind of a tradition for people who do.

I mean, that's just mean.

Wasdie

I think the term your looking for is "trolling".. We have either witnessed such a behavior or been apart of it in life.

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Oh, now they're ruining traditions? What happened to all that "it's a free country, they can choose to not let it affet them," stuff?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Wasdie

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

.. Wait what? Your comparing this to that example.. I mean really?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Wasdie

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

Then every evangelist is a dick as well.

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Technically Jesus was born in Sept or Oct. The date was later changed to fit with the pagan's winter solstice. If anything, Christian's dont even have Jesus's birthday right. So dont go off about "not celebrating the birth of christ" How would you feel if everyone celebrated your birthday 2 months late? Like they'd forgotten right?Nibroc420

No we don't. The point is the celebration, not the day. Many people are well aware that Jesus was not born on December 25. It's the spirit that counts. But if the ruins the whole point of the holiday for some then go right ahead and don't celebrate it.

And really what was the point of this? Ypu sound like some high school kid who just goggled this and found out and thought it was relevant. Jeez.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Doesn't make it right no matter what term you call it. Ruining somebody's traditions just because you disagree and want to be a jerk.

I hope these same people don't preach tolerance to Christians.

Wasdie

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

Stay classy atheists.

Oh, now they're ruining traditions? What happened to all that "it's a free country, they can choose to not let it affet them," stuff?

theone86

I would say 60 years of doing it would be considered a "tradition" in the area...

I don't know where this whole "free country" nonsense you spouted came from.

I'm not even a christian but I call out a dick move when I see one.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Oh, now they're ruining traditions? What happened to all that "it's a free country, they can choose to not let it affet them," stuff?

Wasdie

I would say 60 years of doing it would be considered a "tradition" in the area...

I don't know where this whole "free country" nonsense you spouted came from.

I'm not even a christian but I call out a dick move when I see one.

It's what I see your crowd saying in these threads whenever a Christian group does the same thing. Maybe you don't say it personally, and if you don't sorry, but I'm positive LJ has.

As to tradition, they don't own the ad space. Build a smaller nativity scene, do it on public property, do whatever. What do you expect, for all of non-Christian society to go into hibernation from November through December?

So it's just inherently wrong because a group wanted to put something up? and had been doing so for some time? You're basically arguing that because Christian's didn't get their nativity scenes, whoever else rented the space is automatically a dick who hates all religion with a passion.Nibroc420

If ANYBODY would have done something the same for 60 years straight and some other group would block them from doing it just because they can, I would call that a dick move.

I call them how I see them. It's you guys who are blowing this out of proportion and thinking I care if they are Christian. I couldn't care less about that. The fact is a group of people in a community was doing something for many years and another group knowingly prevented them. And if you don't they knowingly prevented them, then we need to take a look at the groups invovled and the length of time this tradition as been going on.

This is why I do not like telling people I'm an athiest.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

sSubZerOo

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

.. Wait what? Your comparing this to that example.. I mean really?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Oh, now they're ruining traditions? What happened to all that "it's a free country, they can choose to not let it affet them," stuff?

theone86

I would say 60 years of doing it would be considered a "tradition" in the area...

I don't know where this whole "free country" nonsense you spouted came from.

I'm not even a christian but I call out a dick move when I see one.

It's what I see your crowd saying in these threads whenever a Christian group does the same thing. Maybe you don't say it personally, and if you don't sorry, but I'm positive LJ has.

As to tradition, they don't own the ad space. Build a smaller nativity scene, do it on public property, do whatever. What do you expect, for all of non-Christian society to go into hibernation from November through December?

You're implying I'm a christan. I love this. Conclusions drawn right away.

Besides if it was a nativity scene on public land atheists would cry for it to get taken down as well.

Simple fact is that these people knew what they were doing to another group of people. It doesn't matter what you label the groups.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]You think Washington is rolling over in his grave because we celebrate his birthday the third Monday of February?

Hatiko

No we don't. The point is the celebration, not the day. Many people are well aware that Jesus was not born on December 25. It's the spirit that counts. But if the ruins the whole point of the holiday for some then go right ahead and don't celebrate it.

And really what was the point of this? Ypu sound like some high school kid who just goggled this and found out and thought it was relevant. Jeez.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I guess in addition to not believing in a god....they don't believe in tolerance.theone86

So are evangelists intolerant as well?

It is relevant when Christian's act like they have a right to call out other groups because they wanted to rent space as well. Christmas isn't a time to celebrate Jesus's birthday, and if you don't even have his birthday right he's just going to feel bad you forgot which day it was. Christmas was stolen from the pagan's as a tme to celebrate the winter solstice. Christian's stole this time of year from the pagans. Now they're claiming some other group is hindering their Christmas propaganda campaign? Good riddance.Nibroc420

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

GameGuy642003

.. Wait what? Your comparing this to that example.. I mean really?

YES because buying out a piece of property that any one could legally is akin to betraying your best friend and sleeping with one of the most important people in their life.. THANKYOU for clearing that up.. I am planning to see the Christian group to drive up infront of the lawn of the Atheist group, drunk and try to pick a fight.. Or send numerous drunk phone calls to the group.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It is relevant when Christian's act like they have a right to call out other groups because they wanted to rent space as well. Christmas isn't a time to celebrate Jesus's birthday, and if you don't even have his birthday right he's just going to feel bad you forgot which day it was. Christmas was stolen from the pagan's as a tme to celebrate the winter solstice. Christian's stole this time of year from the pagans. Now they're claiming some other group is hindering their Christmas propaganda campaign? Good riddance.Wasdie

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It is relevant when Christian's act like they have a right to call out other groups because they wanted to rent space as well. Christmas isn't a time to celebrate Jesus's birthday, and if you don't even have his birthday right he's just going to feel bad you forgot which day it was. Christmas was stolen from the pagan's as a tme to celebrate the winter solstice. Christian's stole this time of year from the pagans. Now they're claiming some other group is hindering their Christmas propaganda campaign? Good riddance.Nibroc420

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

Thats what I don't get Nibroc, this kind of stuff happens all the time on both sides.. Its trivial and stupid to say the least to argue about it..

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It is relevant when Christian's act like they have a right to call out other groups because they wanted to rent space as well. Christmas isn't a time to celebrate Jesus's birthday, and if you don't even have his birthday right he's just going to feel bad you forgot which day it was. Christmas was stolen from the pagan's as a tme to celebrate the winter solstice. Christian's stole this time of year from the pagans. Now they're claiming some other group is hindering their Christmas propaganda campaign? Good riddance.Nibroc420

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I would say 60 years of doing it would be considered a "tradition" in the area...

I don't know where this whole "free country" nonsense you spouted came from.

I'm not even a christian but I call out a dick move when I see one.

Wasdie

It's what I see your crowd saying in these threads whenever a Christian group does the same thing. Maybe you don't say it personally, and if you don't sorry, but I'm positive LJ has.

As to tradition, they don't own the ad space. Build a smaller nativity scene, do it on public property, do whatever. What do you expect, for all of non-Christian society to go into hibernation from November through December?

You're implying I'm a christan. I love this. Conclusions drawn right away.

Besides if it was a nativity scene on public land atheists would cry for it to get taken down as well.

Simple fact is that these people knew what they were doing to another group of people. It doesn't matter what you label the groups.

Didn't imply you were a Christian, impled you were part of the group that regularly argues on the Christian side here in OT.

Public ground isn't supposed to be used for religious purposes. I would say the same thing about a minorah, a statue of the Buddha, or one of Ganesh.

Christians don't own the right to ad space just because they've been buying it for a long time, and neither does anyone else. No one's stopping them from doing anything, they just have to *gasp* change their arrangments slightly and *double gasp* allow other people to use the ad space to express their beliefs.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

fueled-system

Yeah it's not worth my time trying to convince somebody who just doesn't get it and blow it out of porportion to prove some sort of point...

Whatever. Some people will just refuse to get it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And you continue to argue a completely different point and somehow want it to relate to the point we are talking about.

Stay classy.

fueled-system

Group A has rented several places before, but only ever for about 1 month of the year. They have no legal right to these places.
Group B wants these places, and ended up winning them. Group A(Christians) is now complaining because they lost, and now everyone in this thread is bashing Group B(atheists).

My points :
1.) Group A is celebrating during the wrong month of the year. (Jesus was born in Sept or Oct)
2.) Group A never EVER had any more right to these spaces than Group B.
3.) Group B won, Group A is full of sore losers.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. Wait what? Your comparing this to that example.. I mean really?

sSubZerOo

YES because buying out a piece of property that any one could legally is akin to betraying your best friend and sleeping with one of the most important people in their life.. THANKYOU for clearing that up.. I am planning to see the Christian group to drive up infront of the lawn of the Atheist group, drunk and try to pick a fight.. Or send numerous drunk phone calls to the group.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"] It's a valid example, because he is discussing these things on the grounds of morality, right and wrong, not the law. So he can thus create examples to relate to this topic. When it comes to morality, it's really not about the law even though the law might be parallel to what is right at times that isn't the reason you do something good. People care about what is right and wrong for a different reason than what the law says, it's an internal compulsion... wonder where it comes from.GameGuy642003

YES because buying out a piece of property that any one could legally is akin to betraying your best friend and sleeping with one of the most important people in their life.. THANKYOU for clearing that up.. I am planning to see the Christian group to drive up infront of the lawn of the Atheist group, drunk and try to pick a fight.. Or send numerous drunk phone calls to the group.

:| Your condescending tone is doing nothing for your argument.. Morality is subjective, what one person may find immoral, another does not.. Furthermore morality is not black and white, but many shades of grey.. Saying something is good or bad is the grossest of oversimplifcations when talking of this subject... And yet again I am sorry but most people are not going to some how find a likeness between such a extreme example..

I guess in addition to not believing in a god....they don't believe in tolerance.LJS9502_basic

This sentence sounds especially fake if coming from narrow religious minds, because there's certainly no reason to tolerate intolerance.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

How dare they use the space they purchased in the manner they see fit!

whipassmt

The money from any religious institution used to promote their thing, can also be used to help poors.

To be fair, neither one is right in this case.

They both believe in different things, and both think that what the other is doing is wrong. It doesn't matter how long someone rents something for, he has no legal right binding him to said object/thing, and therefore no reason to complain. Atheists paid for the spots, and can do whatever the hell they want to with said spots. You can't say that Christians are right because they've been using it longer - that's absurd.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

YES because buying out a piece of property that any one could legally is akin to betraying your best friend and sleeping with one of the most important people in their life.. THANKYOU for clearing that up.. I am planning to see the Christian group to drive up infront of the lawn of the Atheist group, drunk and try to pick a fight.. Or send numerous drunk phone calls to the group.

sSubZerOo

:| Your condescending tone is doing nothing for your argument.. Morality is subjective, what one person may find immoral, another does not.. Furthermore morality is not black and white, but many shades of grey.. Saying something is good or bad is the grossest of oversimplifcations when talking of this subject... And yet again I am sorry but most people are not going to some how find a likeness between such a extreme example..

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Oh, now they're ruining traditions? What happened to all that "it's a free country, they can choose to not let it affet them," stuff?

Wasdie

I would say 60 years of doing it would be considered a "tradition" in the area...

I don't know where this whole "free country" nonsense you spouted came from.

I'm not even a christian but I call out a dick move when I see one.

well if a force is strong enough, tradition can certainly be changed, why do we continue to exist? especially if its a tradition no one seem to care about.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because they don't tolerate the people they war with.;)LJS9502_basic

In regard to beliefs.....they are all equal. We all have a right to believe what we want.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Who said it was right or wrong? They are full within their rights to preach what they believe in if they go about it legally.. This happens all the time from all sides..

theone86

I'm saying they are wrong and being dicks. That's my view. I don't care if it's legal, it's also legal to sleep with my best friends girlfriend but that doesn't make it right.

Then every evangelist is a dick as well.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

It's what I see your crowd saying in these threads whenever a Christian group does the same thing. Maybe you don't say it personally, and if you don't sorry, but I'm positive LJ has.

As to tradition, they don't own the ad space. Build a smaller nativity scene, do it on public property, do whatever. What do you expect, for all of non-Christian society to go into hibernation from November through December?

theone86

You're implying I'm a christan. I love this. Conclusions drawn right away.

Besides if it was a nativity scene on public land atheists would cry for it to get taken down as well.

Simple fact is that these people knew what they were doing to another group of people. It doesn't matter what you label the groups.

Didn't imply you were a Christian, impled you were part of the group that regularly argues on the Christian side here in OT.

Public ground isn't supposed to be used for religious purposes. I would say the same thing about a minorah, a statue of the Buddha, or one of Ganesh.

Christians don't own the right to ad space just because they've been buying it for a long time, and neither does anyone else. No one's stopping them from doing anything, they just have to *gasp* change their arrangments slightly and *double gasp* allow other people to use the ad space to express their beliefs.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Christian's think they're so high and mighty because they're celebrating for these "real reasons" but when you can't even get your savior's birthday right....Nibroc420

No we don't. The point is the celebration, not the day. Many people are well aware that Jesus was not born on December 25. It's the spirit that counts. But if the ruins the whole point of the holiday for some then go right ahead and don't celebrate it.

And really what was the point of this? Ypu sound like some high school kid who just goggled this and found out and thought it was relevant. Jeez.

Actually it is. Read my post again. The celebrating is the good part. Your just a butthurt atheist that thinks everything has to be toned so that it fits with you. I never mentioned the renting space so get off my back.

And calling everything that you don't like propaganda? Get another hobby instead of making every little thing a big event because you have none of your own.

Good riddance? Wow, you are a hateful one.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You're implying I'm a christan. I love this. Conclusions drawn right away.

Besides if it was a nativity scene on public land atheists would cry for it to get taken down as well.

Simple fact is that these people knew what they were doing to another group of people. It doesn't matter what you label the groups.

sonicare

Didn't imply you were a Christian, impled you were part of the group that regularly argues on the Christian side here in OT.

Public ground isn't supposed to be used for religious purposes. I would say the same thing about a minorah, a statue of the Buddha, or one of Ganesh.

Christians don't own the right to ad space just because they've been buying it for a long time, and neither does anyone else. No one's stopping them from doing anything, they just have to *gasp* change their arrangments slightly and *double gasp* allow other people to use the ad space to express their beliefs.

Could be to get equal representation. I think the messages themselves might be a little aggressive, but as far as just having more than one message advertised I see no problem.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] And you continue to bash groups for having and using their equal rights to spread their beliefs, when it supposedly "disrupts" christian beliefs. Stay Classy.Nibroc420

Group A has rented several places before, but only ever for about 1 month of the year. They have no legal right to these places.
Group B wants these places, and ended up winning them. Group A(Christians) is now complaining because they lost, and now everyone in this thread is bashing Group B(atheists).

My points :
1.) Group A is celebrating during the wrong month of the year. (Jesus was born in Sept or Oct)
2.) Group A never EVER had any more right to these spaces than Group B.
3.) Group B won, Group A is full of sore losers.