atheists proved wrong

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[QUOTE="dangamit"]where did you get the idea that randomness ends in chaos? Within chaos, orderly system develop.BossPerson

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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

The big bang didn't create the universe, god did. Nothing + Nothing =/= Something

To prove a religious person wrong you have to prove your theories that make you not believe in Him.

PS2_ROCKS

You don't have to believe in the bang bang to be an atheists.

[QUOTE="dangamit"]Random events end in CHAOS. Blue-Sky

Why? What exactly about our universe is organized?

For one, the sheer predictability of the universe on a macro level via the laws of physics. Not sure why this is ever brought up in religion threads, though.

The absence of evidence to disprove the belief, is not evidence of its existence - Russels teapot

And plus that's not even what the law of cause and effect states.

That's the first law of thermodynamics.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]I don't believe in god because there's no evidence that he exists, not because of the big bang. Same reason I don't believe in unicorns.

You don't have to believe in the bang bang to be an atheists.

chrisrooR

yea murphy's law states "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong" or anything that can happen will happen. This is how all systems in the universe develop from galaxies forming to the water cycleBossPerson

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As an athiest, I accept that we simply don't know.

Why are christians so arrogant as to put forth an argument that people have to believe something?

As an athiest, I accept that we simply don't know.

Why are christians so arrogant as to put forth an argument that people have to believe something?

CaveJohnson1

Your kind are pretty arrogant too as well to be fair.

Why are christians so arrogant as to put forth an argument that people have to believe something?

CaveJohnson1

Christians aren't the only people that do it.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]yea murphy's law states "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong" or anything that can happen will happen. This is how all systems in the universe develop from galaxies forming to the water cyclecoolbeans90

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]yea murphy's law states "anything that can go wrong, will go wrong" or anything that can happen will happen. This is how all systems in the universe develop from galaxies forming to the water cycleBossPerson

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[think of it for a sec, if it is saying that anything that can happen will happen, then all creation is will be an illusion since theists always cite the "order" of things as a reason for gods existence. With the laws of thermodynamics, we can know that given enough time everything that is possible will eventually happen, thus we can deduce that it is only a matter of time before every possible system is developed with the assumption that the variables stay the same.

actually disregard what i previously said about thermodynamics or murphys law. After some minutes on wikipedia i realize I had no idea what i was talking about

I'm not sure if TC is trolling Atheists by trying to use this as "proof", or trolling Christians by using the thumbs down as "proof".

Either way, TC, you are dumb and I hate you.

I think atheists will never be "right," because of Bill O' Reily's argument, "tide goes in, tide goes out."the_plan_man

I'm not sure if TC is trolling Atheists by trying to use this as "proof", or trolling Christians by using the thumbs down as "proof".

Either way, TC, you are dumb and I hate you.

SPYDER0416

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I think atheists will never be "right," because of Bill O' Reily's argument, "tide goes in, tide goes out."Nicksonman

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I think atheists will never be "right," because of Bill O' Reily's argument, "tide goes in, tide goes out."Nicksonman

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]I don't believe in god because there's no evidence that he exists, not because of the big bang. Same reason I don't believe in unicorns.

You don't have to believe in the bang bang to be an atheists.

chrisrooR

Yes, it is. The burder of proof is also on atheists who believe they "know" god doesn't exist; he must prove the non-existense of God, before calling everyone who does "stupid."

[QUOTE="Nicksonman"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I think atheists will never be "right," because of Bill O' Reily's argument, "tide goes in, tide goes out."the_plan_man

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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Well if an entity was eternal then it wouldn't be constricted by time so it simply always has been because it does not follow time. Also there really isn't a point in arguing this stuff. Richard Dawkins said a strong case could be made for a deistic God and he is the champion of atheists (that's a joke but what he says is true) so it basically falls onto what you believe.ChampionoChumps

Edit: Also to me there has to be an entity outside of the universe that has absolutely no limits (and yes I realize that that is a limit) but it cannot be compreheded by our measly breains. We'll see eventually, or maybe not lol.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"] "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" - Gin Rummy.the_plan_man

Yes, it is. The burder of proof is also on atheists who believe they "know" god doesn't exist; he must prove the non-existense of God, before calling everyone who does "stupid."

The biggest issue in debates like this is a Christian can't prove God exists and an atheist can't prove that God doesn't exist. It would be nice to just leave it there but we know that's not going to happen. Especially with the Internet giving someone a keyboard to hide behind. Radical Christians can be just as annoying as militant atheists.

that video was retarded. the only instance that conversation would ever happen is in a youtube video.

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] No, it's not. But the burden of proof lies in the person claiming to know God exists. Sort of like if I stated that a purple hippo orbits a planet in a far region of the cosmos. The burden of proof is on me to demonstrate that what I'm saying is truthful, or can at least be tested to be so.ad1x2

Yes, it is. The burder of proof is also on atheists who believe they "know" god doesn't exist; he must prove the non-existense of God, before calling everyone who does "stupid."

The biggest issue in debates like this is a Christian can't prove God exists and an atheist can't prove that God doesn't exist. It would be nice to just leave it there but we know that's not going to happen. Especially with the Internet giving someone a keyboard to hide behind. Radical Christians can be just as annoying as militant atheists.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"] "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" - Gin Rummy.the_plan_man

Yes, it is. The burder of proof is also on atheists who believe they "know" god doesn't exist; he must prove the non-existense of God, before calling everyone who does "stupid."

I never called anyone stupid. And where did I mention anything about the individual claiming non-existence? I'm addressing the problem with those who claim existence. I also have a problem with those that claim God is non-existent. Personally, I believe that the existence of such a thing is beyond our own capacity to understand the Universe. How can anyone form an opinion so strong on one side. Earth is incredibly small when looked at relative to the size of the observable Universe. I tend towards the idea that there really is no overarching 'reason' for existence, and that we are simply the product of our particular environment and initial conditions. We are all animals, and follow a similar set of daily activities.

I'll let Richard Feynman take it from here...

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If it can't be proven and can't be disproven, do you believe in it?Nicksonman

Varies based on what it is. Fact of the matter is I can't even prove Zeus never existed but it's not something I would argue in a Christian church. I just think these debates always end up the same way. Christian says God is real, atheist comes behind him and says he's a moron, and they fight back and forth. Or vice versa, with an atheist saying God isn't real and a Christian coming in saying he's insulting or closed-minded. It really wouldn't surprise me if that Youtube video was staged just to make fun of religious people.

The difference is that theories are just theories. Any scientist knows that theories can be proven wrong and aren't 100% fact.

In religion, if you don't completely 100% believe it, you go to hell.

Philosophical approaches aren't making a good argument here. Try again theists.

[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]If it can't be proven and can't be disproven, do you believe in it?ad1x2

Varies based on what it is. Fact of the matter is I can't even prove Zeus never existed but it's not something I would argue in a Christian church. I just think these debates always end up the same way. Christian says God is real, atheist comes behind him and says he's a moron, and they fight back and forth. Or vice versa, with an atheist saying God isn't real and a Christian coming in saying he's insulting or closed-minded. It really wouldn't surprise me if that Youtube video was staged just to make fun of religious people.

I don't believe in God, but I also don't believe in the big bang theory. How the hell can scientists know what happened billions of years ago? The truth is we will probably never know how the universes came to be.

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If god's not real then why does the tide come in and out?

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Wolf-Man2006

Dinosaurs? Pics or it didn't happen.

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What about America, GOD'S country?

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A atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in a god, you don't have to believe the big bang theroy, as its not a group of people who share the same beliefs, its just the name to describe an attitude towards religion and god.

Yes, it is. The burder of proof is also on atheists who believe they "know" god doesn't exist; he must prove the non-existense of God, before calling everyone who does "stupid."

the_plan_man

There is a giant purple alien dinosaur lobster orbiting the earth, prove me wrong.

The difference is that theories are just theories. Any scientist knows that theories can be proven wrong and aren't 100% fact.

In religion, if you don't completely 100% believe it, you go to hell.

Philosophical approaches aren't making a good argument here. Try again theists.

Pikdum

I don't believe in God, but I also don't believe in the big bang theory. How the hell can scientists know what happened billions of years ago? The truth is we will probably never know how the universes came to be.

omus101

for alot of people is obviously easier to understand. If I asked a christian what or why god made us in atoms they would have no reply asside from "thats what god did". For example if we all believed that god was the be all and end all we would still be in the dark ages imo. From my understanding believeing in god is ironically small minded. Of course its just my opinion :P

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The difference is that theories are just theories. Any scientist knows that theories can be proven wrong and aren't 100% fact.

In religion, if you don't completely 100% believe it, you go to hell.

Philosophical approaches aren't making a good argument here. Try again theists.

Nibroc420

The question that still hasn't been answered for me has nothing to do with existence of a god, but why someone would want to follow a god in the first place? Why is a god even a good thing? Why is the Bible or any holy book even a good thing? Nicksonman

[QUOTE="Nicksonman"]The question that still hasn't been answered for me has nothing to do with existence of a god, but why someone would want to follow a god in the first place? Why is a god even a good thing? Why is the Bible or any holy book even a good thing? AirGuitarist87