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#251 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] That guy is hillarious, and pin-points exactly the kind of BS I see from atheists all over this board. I'm truly astounded by the amount of time and energy people who are "atheists" spend thinking about a god they say doesn't exist. If god truly didn't exist, and they knew it, there would be an "Atheism Union" for people to spend countless hours on discussing how they DON'T believe in something, there wouldn't be a user named "Rational Atheist" who spends all his waking day on the internet trying to promote "rationality." And there sure as **** wouldn't be pompous pricks parading around the internet trying to "convert" believers. It's kind of like if someone created a "Fringe fanclub" and then an opposite group created a "We don't watch Fringe fanclub" and talk about how much Fringe blows, but spend countless hours reviewing episodes to say why they hate it, and get people to stop watching it. I don't think there even should be the term "atheist" that people can label themselves with, and put themselves in a nice little "community." There should just be religious people and non-religious people, Christians and non-Christians. And if someone doesn't like our philosophy, then they can f*** off.

the_plan_man

It's a belief system so its not exactly that surprising that you see that kind of behavior. First of all in reality you don't see atheists trying to persuade believers all the time, it's a far less common occurence when compared to believers trying to spread their beliefs.

Is it? I see all the time irreligious people trying to "spread the word" of why we shouldn't believe...and the number seems to be growing larger every day. Atheism may not technically be a "religion," but it is a religious belief full of people who are just as militant, closed-minded, and intolerant as their religious counter-parts. While there may be a few exceptions, the majority of the ones I see are not.

It is definitely a belief, and your assessment is somewhat fair. I mean the only argument for atheism is that they sometimes have more solid facts behind their belief, or lack thereof, but that is going down a totally separate path.

And really, being an agnostic is probably the most logical belief there is, because guess what, even people who believe one way or another cannot be truly sure. I suppose though, that agnosticism is unsettling for alot of people, so most choose to take up a faith to comfort them, and a smaller number decide to renounce religion altogether, which is still probably more comforting than being an agnostic.

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#252 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] He's a household name because people like crap. Same reason why LMFAO sells more records than some more talented artists. *looks down at sig*the_plan_man

Is that LMFAO?

Rise Against.

Oh right, emo Offspring.

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#253 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Bill Maher IS the joke not the comedian.the_plan_man

Is that why he's a household name and not the other guy?

He's a household name because people like crap. Same reason why LMFAO sells more records than some more talented artists. *looks down at sig*

You're right, people do like crap, but Bill Maher has some genuinely funny stuff, and as seen earlier in this thread, atheists are the most hated minority, so he must have some appeal to overcome that.

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#254 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Is that LMFAO?

THE_DRUGGIE

Rise Against.

Oh right, emo Offspring.

Both are good bands imo.

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#255 Optical_Order
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] He's a household name because people like crap. Same reason why LMFAO sells more records than some more talented artists. *looks down at sig*the_plan_man

Is that LMFAO?

Rise Against.

lol

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#256 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Heh that was funny

TacticalDesire

Bill Maher IS the joke not the comedian.

Is that why he's a household name and not the other guy?

Maher isn't a house hold name, he has a small nich show on HBO. No one but extreame atheists even watch him, most people probably don't even know who he is.

And wether or not someone is more well known doesn't matter, it doesn't make them better. Hitler is probably more well known than you, doesn't mean Hitler is better than you, you are definately better then him.

And you obviously missed my Dane Cook post, he is more well known than Mahre and Stine

Dane Cook - vicious circle - The Atheist - YouTube

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#257 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Rise Against. TacticalDesire

Oh right, emo Offspring.

Both are good bands imo.

Well yeah, but Rise Against is more broody and less fun to listen to.

This thread is making me listen to Ixnay on the Hombre now.

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#258 the_plan_man
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

It's a belief system so its not exactly that surprising that you see that kind of behavior. First of all in reality you don't see atheists trying to persuade believers all the time, it's a far less common occurence when compared to believers trying to spread their beliefs.

TacticalDesire

Is it? I see all the time irreligious people trying to "spread the word" of why we shouldn't believe...and the number seems to be growing larger every day. Atheism may not technically be a "religion," but it is a religious belief full of people who are just as militant, closed-minded, and intolerant as their religious counter-parts. While there may be a few exceptions, the majority of the ones I see are not.

It is definitely a belief, and your assessment is somewhat fair. I mean the only argument for atheism is that they sometimes have more solid facts behind their belief, or lack thereof, but that is going down a totally separate path.

And really, being an agnostic is probably the most logical belief there is, because guess what, even people who believe one way or another cannot be truly sure. I suppose though, that agnosticism is unsettling for alot of people, so most choose to take up a faith to comfort them, and a smaller number decide to renounce religion altogether, which is still probably more comforting than being an agnostic.

I agree with that. People don't like not knowing the answer to something...it drives them crazy; so much of the time, they cling onto a belief system which gives them comfort, and vehemently attack everyone who doesn't agree with it....just so they can delude themselves with having the "right" answer to a universal question we may never fully answer. I'm all for freethought, and consider myself first and foremost an agnostic with a slight lean towards theism/deism.
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#259 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Oh right, emo Offspring.

THE_DRUGGIE

Both are good bands imo.

Well yeah, but Rise Against is more broody and less fun to listen to.

This thread is making me listen to Ixnay on the Hombre now.

I've been listening to Falling in Reverse. You know of them?

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#260 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Is it? I see all the time irreligious people trying to "spread the word" of why we shouldn't believe...and the number seems to be growing larger every day. Atheism may not technically be a "religion," but it is a religious belief full of people who are just as militant, closed-minded, and intolerant as their religious counter-parts. While there may be a few exceptions, the majority of the ones I see are not.the_plan_man

It is definitely a belief, and your assessment is somewhat fair. I mean the only argument for atheism is that they sometimes have more solid facts behind their belief, or lack thereof, but that is going down a totally separate path.

And really, being an agnostic is probably the most logical belief there is, because guess what, even people who believe one way or another cannot be truly sure. I suppose though, that agnosticism is unsettling for alot of people, so most choose to take up a faith to comfort them, and a smaller number decide to renounce religion altogether, which is still probably more comforting than being an agnostic.

I agree with that. People don't like not knowing the answer to something...it drives them crazy; so much of the time, they cling onto a belief system which gives them comfort, and vehemently attack everyone who doesn't agree with it....just so they can delude themselves with having the "right" answer to a universal question we may never fully answer. I'm all for freethought, and consider myself first and foremost an agnostic with a slight lean towards theism/deism.

I'm a deist, but I admit that I can't be sure, and I see alot of atheists arguments.

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#261 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Both are good bands imo.

TacticalDesire

Well yeah, but Rise Against is more broody and less fun to listen to.

This thread is making me listen to Ixnay on the Hombre now.

I've been listening to Falling in Reverse. You know of them?

No, so I googled and looked for a song.

Took me 10 seconds to click out.

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#262 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

It is definitely a belief, and your assessment is somewhat fair. I mean the only argument for atheism is that they sometimes have more solid facts behind their belief, or lack thereof, but that is going down a totally separate path.

And really, being an agnostic is probably the most logical belief there is, because guess what, even people who believe one way or another cannot be truly sure. I suppose though, that agnosticism is unsettling for alot of people, so most choose to take up a faith to comfort them, and a smaller number decide to renounce religion altogether, which is still probably more comforting than being an agnostic.

TacticalDesire

I agree with that. People don't like not knowing the answer to something...it drives them crazy; so much of the time, they cling onto a belief system which gives them comfort, and vehemently attack everyone who doesn't agree with it....just so they can delude themselves with having the "right" answer to a universal question we may never fully answer. I'm all for freethought, and consider myself first and foremost an agnostic with a slight lean towards theism/deism.

I'm a deist, but I admit that I can't be sure, and I see alot of atheists arguments.

Nice to see some more level headed discussion again.

I'm an agnostic atheist....I see no reason to believe there are any gods and don't believe in one, but I do not completely toss out the idea of it. I just lean like 98% "no gods." I also think that if there is a god or gods, no human will ever understand or find it. I don't think any organized religion now, in the past, or in the future, is correct...just attempts at explaining what we can't know.

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#263 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Well yeah, but Rise Against is more broody and less fun to listen to.

This thread is making me listen to Ixnay on the Hombre now.

THE_DRUGGIE

I've been listening to Falling in Reverse. You know of them?

No, so I googled and looked for a song.

Took me 10 seconds to click out.

Oh well:P.

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#264 edgewalker16
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Wait what? Atheism.. Has no written text that can be used to create guide lines, view points etc etc in society.. The actions of places like Soviet Russia was that of a brutal corrupt tyrant.. ShadowMoses900

They killed religious people because they were religious and suppressed religious freedom and just general persecution of everything connected to religion.

Don't bother using logic, they will downplay it and try to right it off as atheism having nothing to do with it. They do becasue they can't admit their idealogy has done bad things before, they don't want to admit that it's not perfect. The same way some Hardcore Muslims will downplay the violence commited in their religion (same goes for hardcore christians/jews ect....)

It's funny how a lot of atheists say they have no faith, but yet they treat their atheism like it is a religion. Especially considering how it takes a ton of faith to be an atheist, they believe there is no God, they believe the universe had no creator, that is a claim of faith. Like I said, a lot of atheists treat their atheism like it's a religion.

It's funny how many Christians downplay all of the bloodshed and persecution wrought in the world in the name of their god.
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#265 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="Zensword"]Atheism is bad for your mental health.Funky_Llama
Correlation =/= causation /thread

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#266 Deihjan
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Ignorance is bliss.
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#267 GreySeal9
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And no I don't hate atheists, I love them. I have to because it's part of my religious views.

Though I doubt a lot of atheists feel the same way. But that's ok because I love them anyway. Love, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, believing all humans have value, are all part of my spritual beliefs. I love you atheists, even if you don't love me, and that's ironic. Espeicially sense you have nothing that makes you love religious people.

You guys don't even believe in love lol. But I do, and I love you! I want each and every one of you to live long happy lives and have the best in life. I hope you all find love (even though you don't believe in it) and live your lives to the fullest.

ShadowMoses900

Wow. You're a fvcking idiot.

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#268 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Ahh... the I love you no matter what

So atheists can't get married or have a girlfriend or boyfirend? :lol: Yeah.....

Pikdum

That wasn't what I was referring to, but what is love for an atheist? It can't really exist for you can it? To you it's just some belief or chemical in the brain (which is partly true) but it ends there, it doesn't come from anywhere else. By love I meant love as in general. I love atheists, I have to. I love them as the human beings they are, they have just as much value as anyone else and I will always stand up for an atheist to speak their mind.

I pray for everyone on here, even the atheists. I don't pray that you change your views, no that goes against free will and isn't what God wants, what I do pray for though is that each and everyone of you get's blessed and finds happiness (or continues your happiness) in your lives, that you overcome whatever obstacles that are bothering you in your lives (everyone has their own mountians to climb) I pray that you all live long and successful and happy lives.

That's it, if that offends you then too bad. I love you guys, like I said. And I want the best for you, even if you don't love me back.

You don't truly love us. You can't actually love us in the way you love a family member. You can tolerate, hope and wish for us the best all you want but you can't truly love us. Not that I would have a problem with it or anything.

Yeah, he's being pretty insincere with the whole "I love you guys" thing. He's trying to make some kind of stupid point, but it's just making him look smarmy and weird.

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#269 almasdeathchild
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sure cause when you become boring and think a fairy in the sky will help you when you die what is there to not be sad about?

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#270 Vaultboy-101
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ATHEISM is bad for your mental health? Oh man, that is rich, and kind of ironic for believers. If anyones mental health is suffering, it's because they've been brainwashed to warship a floating man in the sky that's not even sure if the earth is round.

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#271 Deihjan
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sure cause when you become boring and think a fairy in the sky will help you when you die what is there to not be sad about?

almasdeathchild
Because God 'loves' everyone. Like he 'loved' Mary. winkwink nudgenudge
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#272 almasdeathchild
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sure cause when you become boring and think a fairy in the sky will help you when you die what is there to not be sad about?

Deihjan

Because God 'loves' everyone. Like he 'loved' Mary. winkwink nudgenudge

giggle

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ATHEISM is bad for your mental health? Oh man, that is rich, and kind of ironic for believers. If anyones mental health is suffering, it's because they've been brainwashed to warship a floating man in the sky that's not even sure if the earth is round.Vaultboy-101
Nice Freudian slip there. I approve.
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[QUOTE="Vaultboy-101"]ATHEISM is bad for your mental health? Oh man, that is rich, and kind of ironic for believers. If anyones mental health is suffering, it's because they've been brainwashed to warship a floating man in the sky that's not even sure if the earth is round.Zeviander
Nice Freudian slip there. I approve.

:lol: +1

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#275 Acemaster27
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When I think about Christianity I get depressed.

Could you imagine? That you have no freedom. You're forced to live by a specific rule set and if you roll the birth dice of being born in the wrong country, the wrong denomination, the wrong community, the wrong family, you run the risk of being eternally tortured in agonizing pain.

How is this comforting for anyone? Bliss ignorance that your religion is the right one?

Blue-Sky
The Christian would say that they are freed by their faith. Through Christ they are freed of sin, free of dependance on fleeting worldly pleasures, and free to live fully into the Kingdom of God. It's kind of like playing the piano. When you play piano you have to restrict your hands to certain rules of movement, but when you follow those rules then your hands are free to make wonderful music.
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#276 -Sun_Tzu-
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Here I'll just leave

THIS

here

It's pretty funny, it's from a comedian. He explains it pretty well. Atheism is an idealogy, and atheists are just as sensitive about their atheism as hardcore religious people are about their relgion.

Tons of Hardcore Muslims got offended at South Park over a joke, just like tons of atheists get offended over when someone wishes them merry christmas or the dollar bill says "in God we trust"

There is really no difference, if that kind of stuff offends you all I can say is: Put a Helmet on.

ShadowMoses900
There is a huge difference. When have atheists ever threatened to bomb someone who offends them?
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#277 tenaka2
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Atheism is bad for your mental health. http://www.christianpost.com/news/believers-better-protected-from-depression-than-atheists-study-says-68057/Zensword

Its already known that stupid people tend to be happier.

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#278 Grovilis
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Ignorance is bliss.

sSubZerOo

I was about to say.. This.. Through religion there is no questions needed to be answered, and their beliefs are absolute, meaning there is absolute right and absolute wrong.. And religions like Christianity bank on forgiveness, no matter what you have done you can repent and be forgiven.. Thus forgiving your self as well..

Pretty much what I had in mind as well. I also believe it has to do with the belief that you will see your deceased loved ones again.

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#279 junglist101
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Since I realized that the bible was a bunch of nonsense I've been happier and more content than ever. Besides, that article is hardly non biased...

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#280 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here I'll just leave

THIS

here

It's pretty funny, it's from a comedian. He explains it pretty well. Atheism is an idealogy, and atheists are just as sensitive about their atheism as hardcore religious people are about their relgion.

Tons of Hardcore Muslims got offended at South Park over a joke, just like tons of atheists get offended over when someone wishes them merry christmas or the dollar bill says "in God we trust"

There is really no difference, if that kind of stuff offends you all I can say is: Put a Helmet on.

-Sun_Tzu-
There is a huge difference. When have atheists ever threatened to bomb someone who offends them?

All the time? I do believe the Columbine kids were atheist, but I could be wrong. I guess a hardcore believer of any religion could claim such things. *shrug*
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#281 Zeviander
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Through Christ they are freed of sin, free of dependance on fleeting worldly pleasures, and free to live fully into the Kingdom of God.Acemaster27
I'd rather call it "denial in the highest degree". Why would anyone WANT to be free of worldly pleasures? Is it because you didn't get what you wanted as a kid that you have to be a rebel and act out against your humanity? Is it because you feel like the promise of your greatest WORLDLY DESIRES being meted out in a place where you do not have a physical body to enjoy them is somehow better than just trying to find something here to enjoy? Are you that deluded to not see through this charade? >Limit your enjoyment in this life >Gain all the things you missed out in this life in the next one that may not even exist because you pleased your invisible sky daddy by following his extremely strict set of arbitrary rules lolwut? It strikes me as extremely naive, ignorant and downright anti-human to think that this life isn't all you get, and doing something like trying to be the best non-human you can be is going to somehow not only make this life better, but give you a nice seat for eternity. Get your head out of your ass, look up at the stars and wonder "Wow, I'm utterly insignificant in the universe... maybe I shouldn't waste my time believing in 2000 year-old fairy tales and start enjoying the one life I KNOW FOR A F*CKING FACT I get, to it's fullest". You're welcome.
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#282 deactivated-5a9b3f32ef4e9
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This thread quickly became cancer.

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#283 junglist101
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[QUOTE="Acemaster27"]Through Christ they are freed of sin, free of dependance on fleeting worldly pleasures, and free to live fully into the Kingdom of God.Zeviander
It strikes me as extremely naive, ignorant and downright anti-human to think that this life isn't all you get, and doing something like trying to be the best non-human you can be is going to somehow not only make this life better, but give you a nice seat for eternity. Get your head out of your ass, look up at the stars and wonder "Wow, I'm utterly insignificant in the universe... maybe I shouldn't waste my time believing in 2000 year-old fairy tales and start enjoying the one life I KNOW FOR A F*CKING FACT I get, to it's fullest".

You're welcome.

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#284 Stavrogin_
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Well, it's obvious that religion has served people as a mental crutch, while atheism can lead to nihilism and existentialism which can cause (but not necessarily) depression. Does that mean that atheists should go back to religion? No. I am reminded of a scene in Candide by Voltaire, where the protagonist sees an Indian woman performing a religious rite. She never questioned herself about the meaning of religion, or the truthfulness of religion. She has a need for religion like most people do, and surrenders to it. The protagonist then says (paraphrasing from memory) - "It's better if i stay the way i am, with all my dilemmas and troubles, than to be an ignorant like her" That's why i respond to the notion that "believers are less depressed than atheists" with: So what?
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[QUOTE="playmynutz"][QUOTE="ydnarrewop"] I'm not trying to be anything...just have an opinion :) Your belief in free will puts you on an internal locus of control. Thus you can make crazy comments, like you say, about kicking babies...but no, a true atheist wouldn't have God in the equation at all :)ydnarrewop
internal locus what?...this is why i don't speak to psychologist because i would be diagnosed with a mess of things. even though i'm feeling good about everything. I love to tell atheist "it's cool if you don't believe in God but God believes in you" that triggers a whole discussion on how good atheist act like any other good human being except they don't like the word itself "god" you believe in love right? love, the only sense the unites humans unconditionally. sounds like god but hey lets call it love. and i know atheist need love just like any other human

I like your posts. However, I don't think what we experience as love is God. I think God is, or at least should be, a little more complicated than our chemicals. :) But then again, it's whatever your version of 'God' is. For me God is not the emotion 'love'. :)

That is assuming your chemicals just go haywire for you to have feelings. It could well be the chemicals react to the feelings.
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#286 tenaka2
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It's odd. The users who usually dismiss these studies out of hand are rather quiet on the topic today, I wonder why this study isn't recieving the same treatment for some reason or another.

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#288 Mcspanky37
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If your belief has anything to do with you being depressed then why would you beleive in it? Makes no sense

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#289 Mcspanky37
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This thread quickly became cancer.

Postmortem123
The cancer began with the OP
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#290 deactivated-5a9b3f32ef4e9
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[QUOTE="Postmortem123"]

This thread quickly became cancer.

Mcspanky37

The cancer began with the OP

True:lol:

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#291 JustBeYourself
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This doesn't surprise me one bit, religion and belief is a comforting blanket.
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#292 Barbariser
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This may be consistent with other studies that show that religious people have a significantly lower IQ than atheists and that people with a lower IQ tend to have higher levels of happiness.

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#293 GreySeal9
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It's odd. The users who usually dismiss these studies out of hand are rather quiet on the topic today, I wonder why this study isn't recieving the same treatment for some reason or another.

tenaka2

lol, I noticed that too.

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#294 JustBeYourself
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http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/is-atheism-illegal-in-indonesia/496337 Interesting story of atheist persecution there. An Indonesian posted on facebook to say that God doesn't exist and a mob of Muslims gathered together and beat him up. Then the police took him into custody and instead of arresting the attackers, he is being charged with blasphemy.
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#295 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

It's odd. The users who usually dismiss these studies out of hand are rather quiet on the topic today, I wonder why this study isn't recieving the same treatment for some reason or another.

GreySeal9

lol, I noticed that too.

its not really surprising, everyone is biased to a certain degree or another, the people that pretend to be impartial show themselves up quite a lot though.

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#296 GazaAli
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lol christianpost.
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#297 SolidSnake35
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I would be depressed if the main thing I could identify with was the lack of something. It's not constructive.
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#298 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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I would be depressed if the main thing I could identify with was the lack of something. It's not constructive.SolidSnake35
Who said atheism is the main thing most atheist identify with?

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#300 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I would be depressed if the main thing I could identify with was the lack of something. It's not constructive.toast_burner

Who said atheism is the main thing most atheist identify with?

Some certainly see it as important enough to argue for.