Best Metal ever...

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Yea so is every other genre...

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

I never said it does. It's just that in the metal community, there's usually a stigma that follows with getting appraisal from certain publications and channels like MTv.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

I never said it does. It's just that in the metal community, there's usually a stigma that follows with getting appraisal from certain publications and channels like MTv.

yeah, but what metal bands ever get commercialized on MTV?

*edit* and yes, you said that metal is ment to stand in opposition of commercialization. A bands dream is to be commercialized for their music. You dont see a band never want to become big.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

I never said it does. It's just that in the metal community, there's usually a stigma that follows with getting appraisal from certain publications and channels like MTv.

yeah, but what metal bands ever get commercialized on MTV?

Well, the last time I saw anything on MTV was headbanger's ball, which was a few years ago. I remember they had Marylin Manson, Slipknot, Disturbed, and some other bands that I can't quite remember. Though I distinctively remember those bands in particular being on there.

wow, elite. That is the most flawed argument ever.

Popularity doesn't mean a band is good.

I liked Demon Hunter and other stuff like that too when I was younger, but grew out of it for its inferior music.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

I never said it does. It's just that in the metal community, there's usually a stigma that follows with getting appraisal from certain publications and channels like MTv.

yeah, but what metal bands ever get commercialized on MTV?

Well, the last time I saw anything on MTV was headbanger's ball, which was a few years ago. I remember they had Marylin Manson, Slipknot, Disturbed, and some other bands that I can't quite remember. Though I distinctively remember those bands in particular being on there.

lol, headbangers ball is on only on late night saturdays and early sunday like 3 am. and they are on mtv maybey cause they both have new cds either out now (disturbed) or on the way (slipknot) and have a major tour this summer. and its big news in the metal community. and your also saying that all bands on mtvs headbangers ball is all commerciallized and you dont concider any of it metal? just cause its on mtv? WOW...

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

uhmm.. the success of the band has nothing to do wether or not there a metal band or not. lol

I never said it does. It's just that in the metal community, there's usually a stigma that follows with getting appraisal from certain publications and channels like MTv.

yeah, but what metal bands ever get commercialized on MTV?

Well, the last time I saw anything on MTV was headbanger's ball, which was a few years ago. I remember they had Marylin Manson, Slipknot, Disturbed, and some other bands that I can't quite remember. Though I distinctively remember those bands in particular being on there.

lol, headbangers ball is on only on late night saturdays and early sunday like 3 am. and they are on mtv maybey cause they both have new cds either out now (disturbed) or on the way (slipknot) and have a major tour this summer. and its big news in the metal community. and your also saying that all bands on mtvs headbangers ball is all commerciallized and you dont concider any of it metal? just cause its on mtv? WOW...

Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said anything about bands on MTv being over commercialized, I said that there's a bit of a stigma that comes with being put in the spotlight there.

wow, elite. That is the most flawed argument ever.

Popularity doesn't mean a band is good.

I liked Demon Hunter and other stuff like that too when I was younger, but grew out of it for its inferior music.

skullkrusher13

Im not saying popularity is everything. blood is saying that if there popular is a bad thing to metal bands when its not.

edit*

I heard of Demon Hunter from being on MTV's headbangers ball... and know ive been tracking there cds down for a while. so having MTV on there side isnt such a bad thing.. its like having an ad on the internet. except its a music video on a metal program from mtv.

Lets put it this way, there is no best metal band, thats hard and there are so many good bands out there.tzar3

You're probably the only other person in this thread besides me that has bothered to post that.

blood is saying that if there popular is a bad thing to metal bands when its not.

elite_destroyer

Where did I say that? Again, stop putting words in my mouth.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Metallica suck.Xzaxs

You are on my ultimate hate list.

Iron Maiden is the only true metal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

I heard of Demon Hunter from being on MTV's headbangers ball... and know ive been tracking there cds down for a while. so having MTV on there side isnt such a bad thing.. its like having an ad on the internet. except its a music video on a metal program from mtv. elite_destroyer

I'd gladly give you my Demon Hunter cds, and my other old cds. They are just rotting in my closet, I stopped buying cds because no stores have the metal I like.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

What did you mean by the saying i bolded then? cause thats what i got out of it...

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

I heard of Demon Hunter from being on MTV's headbangers ball... and know ive been tracking there cds down for a while. so having MTV on there side isnt such a bad thing.. its like having an ad on the internet. except its a music video on a metal program from mtv. skullkrusher13

I'd gladly give you my Demon Hunter cds, and my other old cds. They are just rotting in my closet, I stopped buying cds because no stores have the metal I like.

I know what you mean. i grew into more heavier metal than when i was in grade school. but i grow into metal and never get old of some.. so far that is...

i heard pig destoyer is pretty metal .....

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

elite_destroyer

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

What did you mean by the saying i bolded then? cause thats what i got out of it...

I meant that the mindset behind metal is that the aim is not to go for the highest rank on the charts, or to try and make as much money as possible. The aim is to express yourself, and to enjoy doing what you do, regardless of whether or not you can even support yourself off of your band earnings. You make the music that you want to hear, not what the fans want to hear. You do it because you love it, not because you want to capitalize off of it. It's one thing if you happen to get a lot of earnings from making music, and that's completely okay, but you shouldn't let it go to your head. Keep making music and doing what you do because you enjoy doing it, and because you are able to express yourself by doing it. If you do it just for the sake of making money off of it and pleasing the crowd rather than pleasing yourself, then that ruins the whole point.

Now I admit, I don't know about whether or not the nine members of Slipknot are actually expressing themselves and doing what they do because they love it, or because they found out how to please the crowd and make a ton of money off of it. I don't know, and I don't care, and it's a completely different story. It's just that what I explained above is part of the stigma of being approached by the mainstream spotlight. But that's not why I don't like Slipknot, or a lot of the Nu-Metal and Metalcore bands.

Lets put it this way, there is no best metal band, thats hard and there are so many good bands out there.tzar3

Lamb Of God

thats it :|

oh and ahhh NoFx kewlest band of punks around

Aoki__

Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?qubert27

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

What did you mean by the saying i bolded then? cause thats what i got out of it...

I meant that the mindset behind metal is that the aim is not to go for the highest rank on the charts, or to try and make as much money as possible. The aim is to express yourself, and to enjoy doing what you do, regardless of whether or not you can even support yourself off of your band earnings. You make the music that you want to hear, not what the fans want to hear. You do it because you love it, not because you want to capitalize off of it. It's one thing if you happen to get a lot of earnings from making music, and that's completely okay, but you shouldn't let it go to your head. Keep making music and doing what you do because you enjoy doing it, and because you are able to express yourself by doing it. If you do it just for the sake of making money off of it and pleasing the crowd rather than pleasing yourself, then that ruins the whole point.

Now I admit, I don't know about whether or not the nine members of Slipknot are actually expressing themselves and doing what they do because they love it, or because they found out how to please the crowd and make a ton of money off of it. I don't know, and I don't care, and it's a completely different story. It's just that what I explained above is part of the stigma of being approached by the mainstream spotlight. But that's not why I don't like Slipknot, or a lot of the Nu-Metal and Metalcore bands.

[QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?suicidalpoptrt

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

suicidalpoptrt

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

What did you mean by the saying i bolded then? cause thats what i got out of it...

I meant that the mindset behind metal is that the aim is not to go for the highest rank on the charts, or to try and make as much money as possible. The aim is to express yourself, and to enjoy doing what you do, regardless of whether or not you can even support yourself off of your band earnings. You make the music that you want to hear, not what the fans want to hear. You do it because you love it, not because you want to capitalize off of it. It's one thing if you happen to get a lot of earnings from making music, and that's completely okay, but you shouldn't let it go to your head. Keep making music and doing what you do because you enjoy doing it, and because you are able to express yourself by doing it. If you do it just for the sake of making money off of it and pleasing the crowd rather than pleasing yourself, then that ruins the whole point.

Now I admit, I don't know about whether or not the nine members of Slipknot are actually expressing themselves and doing what they do because they love it, or because they found out how to please the crowd and make a ton of money off of it. I don't know, and I don't care, and it's a completely different story. It's just that what I explained above is part of the stigma of being approached by the mainstream spotlight. But that's not why I don't like Slipknot, or a lot of the Nu-Metal and Metalcore bands.

Yeah, I miss the glory days of everything before Load.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

i wonder why the metal is commercialed... maybey cause its good? ever thought about that one? yeah...didnt think so.

Blood-Scribe

Metal is not meant to be commercialized or blatantly advertised. Metal is meant to stand in opposition of commercialization.

Putting words in your mouth? i think not.

Okay, so how exactly is that statement completely synonymous with "Bands that are popular are automatically bad"?

What did you mean by the saying i bolded then? cause thats what i got out of it...

I meant that the mindset behind metal is that the aim is not to go for the highest rank on the charts, or to try and make as much money as possible. The aim is to express yourself, and to enjoy doing what you do, regardless of whether or not you can even support yourself off of your band earnings. You make the music that you want to hear, not what the fans want to hear. You do it because you love it, not because you want to capitalize off of it. It's one thing if you happen to get a lot of earnings from making music, and that's completely okay, but you shouldn't let it go to your head. Keep making music and doing what you do because you enjoy doing it, and because you are able to express yourself by doing it. If you do it just for the sake of making money off of it and pleasing the crowd rather than pleasing yourself, then that ruins the whole point.

Now I admit, I don't know about whether or not the nine members of Slipknot are actually expressing themselves and doing what they do because they love it, or because they found out how to please the crowd and make a ton of money off of it. I don't know, and I don't care, and it's a completely different story. It's just that what I explained above is part of the stigma of being approached by the mainstream spotlight. But that's not why I don't like Slipknot, or a lot of the Nu-Metal and Metalcore bands.

Yeah, i completely agree with you on that one.

Everyone has there own taste in music thats why you dont like nu metal and thats why thats all i listen to.. and a little classic.

and btw when i was reading the first part i was like wtf! thats exactally what slipknots doing.. but then i read the bottom.

But i still dont understand what you mean by saying that metalcore bands arent metal because of what there influences are.. or am i misunderstanding you again?

Gorgoroth, Behemoth, Amon Amarth, Haggard, Fintroll, Wintersun, Korpiklaani... etc. Based on your genre.Xzaxs

you win.

But i still dont understand what you mean by saying that metalcore bands arent metal because of what there influences are.. or am i misunderstanding you again?

elite_destroyer

Well like I said before, metalcore is highly influenced by Hardcore and has a lot of elements that metal tends to exclude. A lot of fans of metal (at least from what I've seen) tend to dislike metalcore because of the image and style that it has that a lot of people who aren't in the know tend to confuse with metal. It really wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the bands that are classified as metalcore didn't get as much attention from the mainstream and if they weren't constantly mis-labled as metal. It's a bit of a "metal honor" thing, but it's just something that most of us really don't like.

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

But i still dont understand what you mean by saying that metalcore bands arent metal because of what there influences are.. or am i misunderstanding you again?

Blood-Scribe

Well like I said before, metalcore is highly influenced by Hardcore and has a lot of elements that metal tends to exclude. A lot of fans of metal (at least from what I've seen) tend to dislike metalcore because of the image and style that it has that a lot of people who aren't in the know tend to confuse with metal. It really wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the bands that are classified as metalcore didn't get as much attention from the mainstream and if they weren't constantly mis-labled as metal. It's a bit of a "metal honor" thing, but it's just something that most of us really don't like.

Okay so your not technically saying that metalcore isnt metal but its not pure metal. But what exactally is hardcore? ist that like screamo?

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?qubert27

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]

But i still dont understand what you mean by saying that metalcore bands arent metal because of what there influences are.. or am i misunderstanding you again?

elite_destroyer

Well like I said before, metalcore is highly influenced by Hardcore and has a lot of elements that metal tends to exclude. A lot of fans of metal (at least from what I've seen) tend to dislike metalcore because of the image and style that it has that a lot of people who aren't in the know tend to confuse with metal. It really wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the bands that are classified as metalcore didn't get as much attention from the mainstream and if they weren't constantly mis-labled as metal. It's a bit of a "metal honor" thing, but it's just something that most of us really don't like.

Okay so your not technically saying that metalcore isnt metal but its not pure metal. But what exactally is hardcore? ist that like screamo?

No actually, I am saying that metalcore isn't metal, but at the same time, it isn't hardcore either. It's a fusion genre, so it's pretty much its own thing. It's influenced by both metal and hardcore, but it doesn't fall under either one of those genres. And hardcore is a type of punk rock, though screamo is sometimes an influence in certain metalcore bands, screamo branched off from hardcore.

[QUOTE="Xzaxs"]Gorgoroth, Behemoth, Amon Amarth, Haggard, Fintroll, Wintersun, Korpiklaani... etc. Based on your genre.IntegraBella

you win.

[QUOTE="qubert27"]

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?suicidalpoptrt

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

Have you ever listened to the Melvins?!?! It doesn't get much more metal. Look up "Hooch" or "Revolve" or something... That's pretty 'effing metal.

And as for Soundgarden... As a whole they really weren't metal, they had metal songs though, like "Flower", "Jesus Christ Pose", "4th of July", ect... We just have different definitions of metal.

okay I could see where your coming from with the whole metalcore isnt metal, there are really only a few that are real metal like black metal, thrash, power, etc. but I guess its just a personal opinion on whats metal and whats not.. elite_destroyer

Actually, there's tons upon tons of sub-genres of metal that aren't limited to what you just listed. That's why I've been saying before that metal is far too broad and diverse of a genre to have a "best" (though that can be said for just about any genre). And when it comes to classification, there's room for opinion, but it's still based on the consensus of the community, the fans, the bands, and musical break-throughs.

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?qubert27

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

Have you ever listened to the Melvins?!?! It doesn't get much more metal. Look up "Hooch" or "Revolve" or something... That's pretty 'effing metal.

And as for Soundgarden... As a whole they really weren't metal, they had metal songs though, like "Flower", "Jesus Christ Pose", "4th of July", ect... We just have different definitions of metal.

[QUOTE="qubert27"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?suicidalpoptrt

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

Have you ever listened to the Melvins?!?! It doesn't get much more metal. Look up "Hooch" or "Revolve" or something... That's pretty 'effing metal.

And as for Soundgarden... As a whole they really weren't metal, they had metal songs though, like "Flower", "Jesus Christ Pose", "4th of July", ect... We just have different definitions of metal.

Which is making quite a mockery of what metal originally was...

[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]okay I could see where your coming from with the whole metalcore isnt metal, there are really only a few that are real metal like black metal, thrash, power, etc. but I guess its just a personal opinion on whats metal and whats not.. Blood-Scribe

Actually, there's tons upon tons of sub-genres of metal that aren't limited to what you just listed. That's why I've been saying before that metal is far too broad and diverse of a genre to have a "best" (though that can be said for just about any genre). And when it comes to classification, there's room for opinion, but it's still based on the consensus of the community, the fans, the bands, and musical break-throughs.

yeah thats why i had the ect.

I never said that there was a best cause there never is a best of anything except by personal opinion.

I dont get where your saying metalcore isnt metal tho because its a sub-genre of metal.

and saying that deciding wether music is concidered metal or not by the consensus of the community is not accurate at all. Just cause a bunch of people disagree that a band isnt metal doesnt mean it isnt. Ive never herd bands like killswitch engage, demon hunter, and bullet for my valentine be called anything but metal.

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?qubert27

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

Have you ever listened to the Melvins?!?! It doesn't get much more metal. Look up "Hooch" or "Revolve" or something... That's pretty 'effing metal.

And as for Soundgarden... As a whole they really weren't metal, they had metal songs though, like "Flower", "Jesus Christ Pose", "4th of July", ect... We just have different definitions of metal.

Which is making quite a mockery of what metal originally was...

Metal to me is like

Judas Presit, Iron maiden, iced earth and manowar

Now thats fine i love thoes bands but buttttttttt

but alot of people here are listing bands from many different styles of music

and to me if your really in a "metal" state of mind when it comes to making music u dont put a box on the boundries of your music

[QUOTE="qubert27"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"][QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]

[QUOTE="suicidalpoptrt"][QUOTE="qubert27"]Alice in Chains... The Melvins... Soundgarden... Need I say more?suicidalpoptrt

You need to learn yo' music, boy!

They were all Grunge bands, The Melvins and Soundgarden were some of the earliest ones too! The Melvins were really metal, if you disagree... You need to... Well, not comment on it. Soundgarden had Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger which were pretty metal... And Alice in Chains was obviously metal aside from SAP and Jar of Flies.

It's called Grunge-Metal.

I really hate Metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce... God, as a whole I really just hate metal.

Have you ever listened to the Melvins?!?! It doesn't get much more metal. Look up "Hooch" or "Revolve" or something... That's pretty 'effing metal.

And as for Soundgarden... As a whole they really weren't metal, they had metal songs though, like "Flower", "Jesus Christ Pose", "4th of July", ect... We just have different definitions of metal.

Which is making quite a mockery of what metal originally was...

i think what he was saying early metal has nothing to do with death metal

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[QUOTE="elite_destroyer"]okay I could see where your coming from with the whole metalcore isnt metal, there are really only a few that are real metal like black metal, thrash, power, etc. but I guess its just a personal opinion on whats metal and whats not.. elite_destroyer

Actually, there's tons upon tons of sub-genres of metal that aren't limited to what you just listed. That's why I've been saying before that metal is far too broad and diverse of a genre to have a "best" (though that can be said for just about any genre). And when it comes to classification, there's room for opinion, but it's still based on the consensus of the community, the fans, the bands, and musical break-throughs.

yeah thats why i had the ect.

I never said that there was a best cause there never is a best of anything except by personal opinion.

I dont get where your saying metalcore isnt metal tho because its a sub-genre of metal.

and saying that deciding wether music is concidered metal or not by the consensus of the community is not accurate at all. Just cause a bunch of people disagree that a band isnt metal doesnt mean it isnt. Ive never herd bands like killswitch engage, demon hunter, and bullet for my valentine be called anything but metal.

Metalcore is not classified as a sub-genre of metal. Like I've been saying, it's a fusion genre, so it doens't belong to metal or hardcore. It is its own thing.

And if the classifications of bands are not based upon the community of metal, which encompasses the bands, the individual musicians, and the fans, then how did we end up with the genre and its sub-genres in the first place? Metal is driven by its community, and the way that bands are disambiguated are based upon the general consensus of the community. But if that is not the case, then what is it that decides how to classify a band? If you have a better answer, I'd like to see it.

Some metalcore bands where influnced by early metal bands and play metal riffs in some of there songs

there are many different way to play "metalcore" IMO its a strange style of music IMO