Bill O'Reilly : "Michael Jackson is NO black icon!"

Why are people still giving Bill O'Reilly attention? ...I've personally never heard a single clever thing come out of his mouth.Hungry_bunny

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If we buy that he had the disease he go can two ways....darken the light patches and retain his natural color or whiten the dark skin not affected and appear as another race. Now....what nose did he pick? What color are his children? It all adds up...

LJS9502_basic

His nose he changed because his father used to make fun of him about it ever since he was young.

As for him going darker/lighter - Honestly I wouldn't know. He might have been able to do either but no one knows what his doctors advised him to do and what his options were. It might have been him deciding he wanted to go all light or he might have been convinced by doctors.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]So why did one of his doctors finally admit after he died, MJ took some drug to help lighten his pigment? And has his disease even been proven ??Haziqonfire

Would you want different patches of skin colour all over your body or would you like it to be one colour?

I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.blackngold29

I'm convinced it wasn't disease or anything, but that MJ was uncomfortable with the way he looked being a superstar and that pressure and people he worked with pushed him further to change his look. And with all his money he was able to make such a huge change to his looks...tbone29

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.sSubZerOo

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.blackngold29

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I certainly think he is.. Outside his ecentric qualities, he was a great humanitarian.. And beloved world wide for both the donations he makes and his music.. That seems like a good icon to me based upon those characteristics.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.LJS9502_basic

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] Was he loved world-wide for spending the night with little kids?blackngold29

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I certainly think he is.. Outside his ecentric qualities, he was a great humanitarian.. And beloved world wide for both the donations he makes and his music.. That seems like a good icon to me based upon those characteristics.sSubZerOo

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] Was he loved world-wide for spending the night with little kids?blackngold29

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Let me ask you this....if it came out now that he did prey on children would you still say that?

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]I think that MJ is/was no great black icon.LJS9502_basic

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

There is nothing wrong with 'sleeping with children ... its just sleep.

People make it out to be sexual when its not. Its sleep. Im 19 years old, sometimes, If I go lay down in bed with my parents. Is it wrong? no. Its just laying there, resting. People need to relax and stop thinking everyone is so perverse.

I like kids. Does that make me a pedo? Jackson liked peter pan. I love Wall-E. In 20 years from now, am I going to be considered a pedo because I like cartoons or movies that are aimed for children?

Jeez.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] In some cultures its perfectly normal, furthermore he was never found to be a pedophile.. That being so, I said out side his ecentric qualities where he clearly had problems.. He achieved much and donated a generous amount to numerous organizations..Maniacc1

No I just despise people who will attack a person on said crimes when they were found innocent.. I just find he gets entirely too much crap and its mainly based on his looks, thats all.sSubZerOo

Two different things and someone not involved in the court procedure but able to look at the evidence can come to their own conclusion. Which is why this case is so polarized. Neither side has the proof of what happened they merely have opinion.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I certainly think he is.. Outside his ecentric qualities, he was a great humanitarian.. And beloved world wide for both the donations he makes and his music.. That seems like a good icon to me based upon those characteristics.Haziqonfire

Speaking for myself....even the hint of child molestation gives me enough pause.

There is nothing wrong with 'sleeping with children ... its just sleep.

People make it out to be sexual when its not. Its sleep. Im 19 years old, sometimes, If I go lay down in bed with my parents. Is it wrong? no. Its just laying there, resting. People need to relax and stop thinking everyone is so perverse.

I like kids. Does that make me a pedo? Jackson liked peter pan. I love Wall-E. In 20 years from now, am I going to be considered a pedo because I like cartoons or movies that are aimed for children?

Jeez.

And he's a stranger no less.

Whether Michael Jackson was a molester or not, he had little kids in his bed. If I found out that anyone had my 4y/o daughter in thier bed, I would be wanted by the law.

OJ Simpson was not "proven guilty" either.

People are getting out of hand about MJ. Obsessed with him and calling him a black icon. Music icon, no doubt. But not black icon. He didn't do much outside of music. Spent millions on himself and his looks. Look how much money he had set up for his funeral event. It alsocost the city of LA also $1.4 million dollars when they're all in debt.He also slept with kids. Doesn't matter rather he was found guilty or not of doing anything, that's still suspicious and weird. Let's just forget all that stuff to be "politically correct" since he died. Geez. I think Bill O'Reilly is spot on and I identify with a lot of points he makes all the time. He's not afraid to stick up for what's right. Liberals may not like him and call him racist when he isn't racist. Reverse-racism is just as bad where someone is called a racist just for criticizing someone even though race isn't a factor. Anyways MJ is a music icon, nothing more. People don't seem to let it go almost like they worship Michael Jackson. Quite scary how easy people almost treat various celebs or others as messiahs.

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He was a music icon. Bill just isn't that smart, I feel sorry for him :(
Even if you don't like Michael Jackson you should know he was a music icon, if not then you are ignorant :|

LJS9502_basic

You don't have to praise him but he is a rap icon.

Even if you don't like musicians, you can't deny the fact that some of them are icons.
If you don't like rap then you may not know all the music 50 cent has put out, and he has put out lots of great music.

So some people may like him or hate him, but he is a rap icon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4milQCnCdGI

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[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

He was a music icon. Bill just isn't that smart, I feel sorry for him :(
Even if you don't like Michael Jackson you should know he was a music icon, if not then you are ignorant :|

joshrocks2245

You don't have to praise him but he is a rap icon.

Even if you don't like musicians, you can't deny the fact that some of them are icons.
If you don't like rap then you may not know all the music 50 cent has put out, and he has put out lots of great music.

So some people may like him or hate him, but he is a rap icon.

People are getting out of hand about MJ. Obsessed with him and calling him a black icon. Music icon, no doubt. But not black icon. He didn't do much outside of music. Spent millions on himself and his looks. Look how much money he had set up for his funeral event. It alsocost the city of LA also $1.4 million dollars when they're all in debt.He also slept with kids. Doesn't matter rather he was found guilty or not of doing anything, that's still suspicious and weird. Let's just forget all that stuff to be "politically correct" since he died. Geez. I think Bill O'Reilly is spot on and I identify with a lot of points he makes all the time. He's not afraid to stick up for what's right. Liberals may not like him and call him racist when he isn't racist. Reverse-racism is just as bad where someone is called a racist just for criticizing someone even though race isn't a factor. Anyways MJ is a music icon, nothing more. People don't seem to let it go almost like they worship Michael Jackson. Quite scary how easy people almost treat various celebs or others as messiahs.

deadcell88

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some feel 50 cent is a music icon. Should we praise him?

LJS9502_basic

You don't have to praise him but he is a rap icon.

Even if you don't like musicians, you can't deny the fact that some of them are icons.
If you don't like rap then you may not know all the music 50 cent has put out, and he has put out lots of great music.

So some people may like him or hate him, but he is a rap icon.

I don't really consider musicians celebrities.
To me celebrities are all the actors and actresses, I find it insulting to call musicians celebrities because most celebrities seem rude and musicians just seem a lot nicer.

I don't really consider musicians celebrities.
To me celebrities are all the actors and actresses, I find it insulting to call musicians celebrities because most celebrities seem rude and musicians just seem a lot nicer.

joshrocks2245

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I don't really consider musicians celebrities.
To me celebrities are all the actors and actresses, I find it insulting to call musicians celebrities because most celebrities seem rude and musicians just seem a lot nicer.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah I know but also I think musicians have a lot more talent the actors. It's not that hard to act, it is hard to play an instrument or sing and make new songs and preform in front of thousands of people and not make any mistakes while playing.

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[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

I don't really consider musicians celebrities.
To me celebrities are all the actors and actresses, I find it insulting to call musicians celebrities because most celebrities seem rude and musicians just seem a lot nicer.

joshrocks2245

Yeah I know but also I think musicians have a lot more talent the actors. It's not that hard to act, it is hard to play an instrument or sing and make new songs and preform in front of thousands of people and not make any mistakes while playing.

You know mistakes get made during concerts even by the best?

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Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

Chutebox

[QUOTE="joshrocks2245"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]There are rude musicians just are there are musicians that aren't. There are rude actors just as there are actors that aren't.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah I know but also I think musicians have a lot more talent the actors. It's not that hard to act, it is hard to play an instrument or sing and make new songs and preform in front of thousands of people and not make any mistakes while playing.

You know mistakes get made during concerts even by the best?

Yeah but they don't make tons of mistakes.
I've played a guitar all my life and it's not that easy, it takes a lot of practice to be good and if I ever wanted to be in a band I would need a lot more practice.
I wouldn't need much practice to act, it would be easy to act like almost anyone. Most actors I see aren't even that good at acting.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] In some cultures its perfectly normal, furthermore he was never found to be a pedophile.. That being so, I said out side his ecentric qualities where he clearly had problems.. He achieved much and donated a generous amount to numerous organizations..Maniacc1

By the court of law...not people's opinions.

For instance, everyone knew John Dillinger robbed banks, but they had to find a way in the court of law to prosecute him...

michael jackson had good music

but other than that he was a freak that i would never look up to as an icon

i think you are just a typical liberal who hates o'reilly and rush

[QUOTE="deadcell88"]

People are getting out of hand about MJ. Obsessed with him and calling him a black icon. Music icon, no doubt. But not black icon. He didn't do much outside of music. Spent millions on himself and his looks. Look how much money he had set up for his funeral event. It alsocost the city of LA also $1.4 million dollars when they're all in debt.He also slept with kids. Doesn't matter rather he was found guilty or not of doing anything, that's still suspicious and weird. Let's just forget all that stuff to be "politically correct" since he died. Geez. I think Bill O'Reilly is spot on and I identify with a lot of points he makes all the time. He's not afraid to stick up for what's right. Liberals may not like him and call him racist when he isn't racist. Reverse-racism is just as bad where someone is called a racist just for criticizing someone even though race isn't a factor. Anyways MJ is a music icon, nothing more. People don't seem to let it go almost like they worship Michael Jackson. Quite scary how easy people almost treat various celebs or others as messiahs.

theone86

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] He isn't in "some cultures" he's in the US, where it isn't accepted. And donating money, no matter how much, doesn't erase the other things you do.trix5817

By the court of law...not people's opinions.

For instance, everyone knew John Dillinger robbed banks, but they had to find a way in the court of law to prosecute him...

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

personally i think the whole mj thing has gotten way out hand. i saw the tribute which was great and i must admit i've been reminiscing lately over his songs. he had so many hits not just on his own but with his brothers as well.

but with that being said he did have inappropriate relationships with little boys.....and even though i think mentally he was about 10 years old it doesn't change that fact that he was a grown ass man who knew how to act like an adult when he needed too....

also concerning bill o'reily...i'm not really a fan of his but thank god someone finally spoke up about mj's bull$%^..........i loved the comment he made about his children too.....there is no doubt that paris, and comforter.....or blanket or whatever the f*&^......are not biologically his kids......that will come out at some point....trust me.... and if you can look at those kids of his and logically think that they are biologically mj's kids then you should have no problem believing me when i tell you that I have created time travel.

Shouldn't black people decide whether or not he was a icon towards them instead of some old white guy who obviously has issues towards their race.:?

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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"] If you're referring to child molestation, I always thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty. :| I guess that doesn't stand up anymore because "Oooh! He's a freak." MrGeezer

By the court of law...not people's opinions.

For instance, everyone knew John Dillinger robbed banks, but they had to find a way in the court of law to prosecute him...

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

I don't know why people even bother to get upset over what O'Reilly says. The man has demonstrated time and time again that he's an ass.

And Jackson is a cultural icon. If not by the merits of his contributions, then simply by the success of them.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="deadcell88"]

People are getting out of hand about MJ. Obsessed with him and calling him a black icon. Music icon, no doubt. But not black icon. He didn't do much outside of music. Spent millions on himself and his looks. Look how much money he had set up for his funeral event. It alsocost the city of LA also $1.4 million dollars when they're all in debt.He also slept with kids. Doesn't matter rather he was found guilty or not of doing anything, that's still suspicious and weird. Let's just forget all that stuff to be "politically correct" since he died. Geez. I think Bill O'Reilly is spot on and I identify with a lot of points he makes all the time. He's not afraid to stick up for what's right. Liberals may not like him and call him racist when he isn't racist. Reverse-racism is just as bad where someone is called a racist just for criticizing someone even though race isn't a factor. Anyways MJ is a music icon, nothing more. People don't seem to let it go almost like they worship Michael Jackson. Quite scary how easy people almost treat various celebs or others as messiahs.

deadcell88

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

By the court of law...not people's opinions.

For instance, everyone knew John Dillinger robbed banks, but they had to find a way in the court of law to prosecute him...

trix5817

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

Uh...you CAN'T "know" something without proof. Otherwise, you merely THINK it, and then you're either right or you're wrong.

What the hell is a "black icon" anyway?DrSponge

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[QUOTE="trix5817"]

By the court of law...not people's opinions.

For instance, everyone knew John Dillinger robbed banks, but they had to find a way in the court of law to prosecute him...

trix5817

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

O'Reilly's just a clown. He's there to say things that upset people, while at the same time getting right wingers all giggly.

Well, if you think about it, he really isn't.

So, he's kind of right.