Bill O'Reilly : "Michael Jackson is NO black icon!"

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:GrindingAxe

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:Hungry_Jello

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] I guess my point (and others) is the fact that Michael went out of his way to whiten everything about himself. Its like he was ashamed of being black.Dweedledude5000

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

And the wheels on the bus go round and round.

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:Hungry_Jello

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

He only addressed this issue because people like Al Sharpton were reffering to him as a "black icon" at his funeral, when in reality, the man didn't even want to be black! He had his nose chiseled down, bleached his skin, and purchased white children! Now you tell me how that's being a "black icon".

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:Hungry_Jello

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

Vitiligo appears in patches, ask any dermatologist. And lets pretend he had a severe case, more severe than others, that dosent explain why his entire body is neatly painted white, why he would remove his nose, and why he would buy white kids...

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

trix5817

I never stated I thought he was guilty...

I'm simply arguing that using "innocent until proven guilty" structure of a court systems is an invalid argument in this situation.

It's not invalid at all.

People actually get CONVICTED for stuff that they didn't do. This guy wasn't even able to get a conviction in court, and you're saying that it's valid for the man to be held guilty in the court of public opinion.

Again, OPINION doesn't prove guilt. EVER. There's either proof, or there isn't proof. There's no proof that he did it in a court of law, and there's no proof that he did it in a court of public opinion.

[QUOTE="freek666"]

Rush? Like the band Rush?

UT_Wrestler

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:GrindingAxe

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] For saying something you dont agree with? Hardly, I'd hug him for telling the truth a lot of times. He called out oil speculators a long time ago!MoonMarvel

and for every truth, he says how many lies?

oh, it doesn't matter... he's on fox news! right?

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

GrindingAxe

Would a proper black icon be a rapper who hangs out in the ghetto, has criminal ties, and promotes the stereotype of black people as buffoons?

If instead of getting plastic surgery to thin his nose, if instead of straightening his hair, would it have been preferable if he got plastic surgery to give him big ol' lips and gigantic ears?

Oh no! He had white wives! That must make him some kind of race sellout! :roll:

You really hit the nail on the head with the last statement. People choose their icons, not the other way around. If people are saying that he's a "black icon", then that's what he is.

Vitiligo appears in patches, ask any dermatologist. And lets pretend he had a severe case, more severe than others, that dosent explain why his entire body is neatly painted white, why he would remove his nose, and why he would buy white kids...Akadian818

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:GrindingAxe

I've been hearing people hurl those same accusations at me since I was a kid. "Oh, you're ashamed of being black." Why? Because, like, I didn't skip school, I didn't steal stuff, and I liked to read.

Which is really sort of a load of crap. Because it propagates the idea that there is a way that black people should be, and deviation from that path means that you're ashamed of your blackness.

REALLY? As a black person (ANY black person), how is that black person supposed to tell WHICH aspects of "blackness" he should embrace in order to not be considered a sellout? What business does ANYONE (black or otherwise) have criticizing a black man for making choices that go against established "black behavior"?

Is Michael Jackson supposed to be a man who is black? Or is he supposed to be part of the black collective?

Should he have married black women and adopted black kids just in order to SEEM blacker? Would that have been better?

This is something that I seriously want an answer to. WHO has any business telling a black man (or any man)how he should live his life? If a white woman decides to live in a black ghetto to help out the community, and then she adopts some black kids and gets a black husband, does that make her any less white? Does that mean that she hates being white, and wants to strip her life of whiteness? Or does she get to be just a person, who just so happens to live amongst blacks and voluntarily immerse herself in "black culture"?

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Yes breaking youre way through the media at a time when blacks werent marketable? Hardly a 'black' icon.:roll:MrGeezer

I've been hearing people hurl those same accusations at me since I was a kid. "Oh, you're ashamed of being black." Why? Because, like, I didn't skip school, I didn't steal stuff, and I liked to read.

Which is really sort of a load of crap. Because it propagates the idea that there is a way that black people should be, and deviation from that path means that you're ashamed of your blackness.

REALLY? As a black person (ANY black person), how is that black person supposed to tell WHICH aspects of "blackness" he should embrace in order to not be considered a sellout? What business does ANYONE (black or otherwise) have criticizing a black man for making choices that go against established "black behavior"?

Is Michael Jackson supposed to be a man who is black? Or is he supposed to be part of the black collective?

Should he have married black women and adopted black kids just in order to SEEM blacker? Would that have been better?

This is something that I seriously want an answer to. WHO has any business telling a black man (or any man)how he should live his life? If a white woman decides to live in a black ghetto to help out the community, and then she adopts some black kids and gets a black husband, does that make her any less white? Does that mean that she hates being white, and wants to strip her life of whiteness? Or does she get to be just a person, who just so happens to live amongst blacks and voluntarily immerse herself in "black culture"?

I'm sorry, but that was the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. You are really trying too hard to explain what MJ did. If a white woman did what MJ did, I would call her out for it big time. Its crazy. MJ was crazy. Remember, this "white woman" that you wish to replace MJ with has to also do a lot of things such as, dye her skin black, adobt only black kids, marry a black "man" even though she's a lesbian, plus she has to do some real damage to her nose to make it appear Ellen Degenerous like....

I'm sorry, but that was the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. You are really trying too hard to explain what MJ did. If a white woman did what MJ did, I would call her out for it big time. Its crazy. MJ was crazy. Remember, this "white woman" that you wish to replace MJ with has to also do a lot of things such as, dye her skin black, adobt only black kids, marry a black "man" even though she's a lesbian, plus she has to do some real damage to her nose to make it appear Ellen Degenerous like....GrindingAxe

[QUOTE="Akadian818"]Vitiligo appears in patches, ask any dermatologist. And lets pretend he had a severe case, more severe than others, that dosent explain why his entire body is neatly painted white, why he would remove his nose, and why he would buy white kids...RandolphScott

[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"]I'm sorry, but that was the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. You are really trying too hard to explain what MJ did. If a white woman did what MJ did, I would call her out for it big time. Its crazy. MJ was crazy. Remember, this "white woman" that you wish to replace MJ with has to also do a lot of things such as, dye her skin black, adobt only black kids, marry a black "man" even though she's a lesbian, plus she has to do some real damage to her nose to make it appear Ellen Degenerous like....RandolphScott

dont feed the troll that is Bill O

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

and for every truth, he says how many lies?

oh, it doesn't matter... he's on fox news! right?

wtrrhghjg

[QUOTE="wtrrhghjg"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] And since he is on fox everything he says is a lie right? If he says the sky is up it must be down! MoonMarvel

No conservative would think that O"reilly is a disgrace and that there is a respectable timeframe in which you can insult the dead?

I would have to disagree with that. I used to debate a conservative in real life at an old job of mine. I am willing to bet he would believe both of those things.

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Maybe O'Reilly said that because Jackson did everything he could to not be black. Even to the point of bleaching his skin and having white kids. Toriko42

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]

yes. no self respecting journalist conservative or liberal would be a part of that network. he is a disgrace to conservatives such as myself. i hope they dont think we are all like him. this is too soon after a man is dead to be making comments such as this. even if he dislikes the guy out of respect for his family and fans..wtrrhghjg

No conservative would think that O"reilly is a disgrace and that there is a respectable timeframe in which you can insult the dead?

I would have to disagree with that. I used to debate a conservative in real life at an old job of mine. I am willing to bet he would believe both of those things.

Is anyone getting tired of this "culture warrior"...Sim_genius

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="maheo30"] Maybe O'Reilly said that because Jackson did everything he could to not be black. Even to the point of bleaching his skin and having white kids. LJS9502_basic

Living with Vitiligo would have left him deformed, no why the hell would a celebrity who depends on public image with the money he has not even out the whiteness of his skin. There was no hope of making it darker... Also, white kids? Who cares? By that logic, because Angelina Jolie adopted an African child, she therefore renounces any whiteness.Toriko42

They are typical media goof balls who try and tarnish MJ's legacy.

Just let the man rest in peace already damn.

RIP MJ!

Is anyone getting tired of this "culture warrior"...Sim_genius

Fortunately,more & more American voters are getting over the supposed "culture war" and are instead thinking for themselves :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] Living with Vitiligo would have left him deformed, no why the hell would a celebrity who depends on public image with the money he has not even out the whiteness of his skin. There was no hope of making it darker... Also, white kids? Who cares? By that logic, because Angelina Jolie adopted an African child, she therefore renounces any whiteness.Toriko42

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Is anyone getting tired of this "culture warrior"...LosDaddie

Fortunately,more & more American voters are getting over the supposed "culture war" and are instead thinking for themselves :)

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]With his money he could have darkened his skin to match his natural color instead of lightening it were that the case.

MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] It is not possible to darken skin...You have to understand how Vitiligo is treated. This is a good overlook. The only way to treat it is to lighten the rest of your skin, pigment loss due to Vitiligo is complete and you can't darken your skin by adding more pigment. That's why the only real way to treat it is by using creams which cause extreme paleness, kind of like those guys in your signature (:P) or in Michael Jackson's case.Toriko42

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]With his money he could have darkened his skin to match his natural color instead of lightening it were that the case.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]I saw a reporter who uses creams to do it, but MJ is an entertainer who dances alot so the sweat would cause the creames to run. Embrassing.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="Sim_genius"]Is anyone getting tired of this "culture warrior"...MoonMarvel

Fortunately,more & more American voters are getting over the supposed "culture war" and are instead thinking for themselves :)

Nope. Voters saw right through the "culture war" BS and have been voting righties out of office since 2006.

Kinda stings, doesn't it? :)

What an intelligent young man he is.

What's with all the hate on Bill O'Reilly? Practically every young adult I know hates him, which I think says something about them. I don't think Michael Jackson deserves praise anyway. Solid_Snake325

Is anyone getting tired of this "culture warrior"...Sim_genius

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Fortunately,more & more American voters are getting over the supposed "culture war" and are instead thinking for themselves :)

Nope. Voters saw right through the "culture war" BS and have been voting righties out of office since 2006.

Kinda stings, doesn't it? :)

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]What's with all the hate on Bill O'Reilly? Practically every young adult I know hates him, which I think says something about them. I don't think Michael Jackson deserves praise anyway. MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Solid_Snake325"]What's with all the hate on Bill O'Reilly? Practically every young adult I know hates him, which I think says something about them. I don't think Michael Jackson deserves praise anyway. Toriko42

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]I disagree, there is a culture war and left wing attempts to deny it are starting to fail and more and more voters are starting to see that. Which is what you are doing, denying there is one so people will maybe believe and let you do what you please with no opposition.MoonMarvel

Nope. Voters saw right through the "culture war" BS and have been voting righties out of office since 2006.

Kinda stings, doesn't it? :)

Patriotic Americans have been seeing through righties like you and have been gleefully voting you guys out of office.

But please keep regurgitating Limbaugh talking points. You'll never learn why you lost :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] It is not possible to darken skin...You have to understand how Vitiligo is treated. This is a good overlook. The only way to treat it is to lighten the rest of your skin, pigment loss due to Vitiligo is complete and you can't darken your skin by adding more pigment. That's why the only real way to treat it is by using creams which cause extreme paleness, kind of like those guys in your signature (:P) or in Michael Jackson's case.Toriko42

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

Nope. Voters saw right through the "culture war" BS and have been voting righties out of office since 2006.

Kinda stings, doesn't it? :)

LosDaddie

Patriotic Americans have been seeing through righties like you and have been gleefully voting you guys out of office.

But please keep regurgitating Limbaugh talking points. You'll never learn why you lost :)

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Most people who hate him don't watch him. Also the hate comes from the left who hate him because he doesn't toe a liberal line. That is the only reason.Solid_Snake325