Bill O'Reilly : "Michael Jackson is NO black icon!"

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]Dude, MJ broke the barriers between blacks and whites, do you think only black people voted for obama? :|nintendo-4life

Hello

"MJ broke the barriers between blacks and whites"

You never said anybody else either. You said it was MJ.

I think this speaks to my point. MJ is not listed

Lindsosaurus

I think this speaks to my point. MJ is not listed

Lindsosaurus

I agree with you. When i look at Michael Jackson i don't think racial movement... I don't think racial at all. I just think music. Music that doesn't just appeal to a certain age group, racial or gender. He was all around performer that just so happened to be black. And like I said before other blacks are going to appeal to that common ground.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Hello

LikeHaterade

"MJ broke the barriers between blacks and whites"

You never said anybody else either. You said it was MJ.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I think this speaks to my point. MJ is not listed

nintendo-4life

There is a section for musicians...

Edit: He is listed there BUT look at ALL of the other influential people, so many people who are better fitted to get the credit you are giving MJ

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I think this speaks to my point. MJ is not listed

Lindsosaurus

There is a section for musicians...

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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I'm sure this has already been raised in this thread, but I don't think you can call somebody a 'black icon' who persistently tried to make himself not appear typically 'black', due the way he changed the shape of his nose and so on.MetalGear_Ninty

you should read the whole thread.

We've already covered his skin problem... and his alleged insecurities about his racial identity.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] I never said he was the only one -_-nintendo-4life

"MJ broke the barriers between blacks and whites"

You never said anybody else either. You said it was MJ.

Not saying anyone else can imply you were only talking about MJ, especially based off your post. ;)

Next time, be more specific.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] That's because MJ was a singer.nintendo-4life

There is a section for musicians...

LMAO

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] That's because MJ was a singer.nintendo-4life

There is a section for musicians...

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My point has never been that he isnt an icon but saying he is why Obama is president and giving him so much credit in comparison to other Blacks who did so much more just makes me sad

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

"MJ broke the barriers between blacks and whites"

You never said anybody else either. You said it was MJ.

LikeHaterade

Not saying anyone else can imply you were only talking about MJ, especially based off your post. ;)

Next time, be more specific.

I don't much care for MJ but I'm no fan of Bill O either. He's just another dude who raises the temperature on everything to make money. Sadly he does so on some actually important stuff from time to time.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] That's because MJ was a singer.nintendo-4life

There is a section for musicians...

My point has never been that he isnt an icon but saying he is why Obama is president and giving him so much credit in comparison to other Blacks who did so much more just makes me sad

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

My point has never been that he isnt an icon but saying he is why Obama is president and giving him so much credit in comparison to other Blacks who did so much more just makes me sad

nintendo-4life

are you excluding activists too?

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

My point has never been that he isnt an icon but saying he is why Obama is president and giving him so much credit in comparison to other Blacks who did so much more just makes me sad

Lindsosaurus

are you excluding activists too?

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

There is a section for musicians...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] look, most of the other celebes were insanely famous in america, and little to "ok" everywhere else (NOT including europe). Michael Jackson is probably the first globally famous black person. HE started the trend. Not talking about politicians because that's a different case.nintendo-4life

are you excluding activists too?

Are you still talking about breaking down barriers?

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

are you excluding activists too?

LikeHaterade

Are you still talking about breaking down barriers?

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] look, most of the other celebes were insanely famous in america, and little to "ok" everywhere else (NOT including europe). Michael Jackson is probably the first globally famous black person. HE started the trend. Not talking about politicians because that's a different case.nintendo-4life

are you excluding activists too?

I would venture to say that MLK helped change perceptions. MJ isn't the 1st global Black celebrity, I understand that he HELPED the process, but he didnt do it on his own and I think the bigger issue is just that his later years were filled with so much controversy and he really wasn't viewed favorably...

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

are you excluding activists too?

Lindsosaurus

I would venture to say that MLK helped change perceptions. MJ isn't the 1st global Black celebrity, I understand that he HELPED the process, but he didnt do it on his own and I think the bigger issue is just that his later years were filled with so much controversy and he really wasn't viewed favorably...

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] I'm talking about the people who made black people ACCEPTED by the entire community (and probably the world if there was any racism there). Black politicians gave the blacks their rights. They did not change the perception of them to the other communities. I'm talking about people like oprah, tiger woods, etc.nintendo-4life

I would venture to say that MLK helped change perceptions. MJ isn't the 1st global Black celebrity, I understand that he HELPED the process, but he didnt do it on his own and I think the bigger issue is just that his later years were filled with so much controversy and he really wasn't viewed favorably...

MLK absolutely did change some people's perceptions, there were plenty of White people who changed their views after watching his speeches and seeing his peaceful approach, but of course he didnt change everyone's and MJ didn't change everyone's either as racism still exists...

Because I am a White chick I don't feel as though I am one to say if he is a Black icon or not (as were my sentiments about O'Reilly in an earlier post) No one can deny the things that he did and his part in Black history so if Black people want to embrace him as a Black Icon that's fine. I think the controversy about it comes in because people are simultaneously overemphasising his impact at the expense of other's who are more deserving and disregarding the negative parts of his life, (and if you are "talking about him as a whole" you can't disregard his later years)

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I would venture to say that MLK helped change perceptions. MJ isn't the 1st global Black celebrity, I understand that he HELPED the process, but he didnt do it on his own and I think the bigger issue is just that his later years were filled with so much controversy and he really wasn't viewed favorably...

Lindsosaurus

MLK absolutely did change some people's perceptions, there were plenty of White people who changed their views after watching his speeches and seeing his peaceful approach, but of course he didnt change everyone's and MJ didn't change everyone's either as racism still exists...

Because I am a White chick I don't feel as though I am one to say if he is a Black icon or not (as were my sentiments about O'Reilly in an earlier post) No one can deny the things that he did and his part in Black history so if Black people want to embrace him as a Black Icon that's fine. I think the controversy about it comes in because people are simultaneously overemphasising his impact at the expense of other's who are more deserving and disregarding the negative parts of his life, (and if you are "talking about him as a whole" you can't disregard his later years)

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] i'm talking about him as a whole. not his later years or his early ones (his memorial became the most watched event in history so...) MLK, as i said, gave blacks their rights. He didn't exactly change the perception of black people. Other wise his life wouldn't have ended that way. And as far as i'm concerned MJ was the first black ( hell even american) artist to become insanely popular in china and the far east as a whole. BUT, if you agree that he at the very least helped on the process. I'll take that, "helping" the process is enough for MJ to be a "black" icon.nintendo-4life

MLK absolutely did change some people's perceptions, there were plenty of White people who changed their views after watching his speeches and seeing his peaceful approach, but of course he didnt change everyone's and MJ didn't change everyone's either as racism still exists...

Because I am a White chick I don't feel as though I am one to say if he is a Black icon or not (as were my sentiments about O'Reilly in an earlier post) No one can deny the things that he did and his part in Black history so if Black people want to embrace him as a Black Icon that's fine. I think the controversy about it comes in because people are simultaneously overemphasising his impact at the expense of other's who are more deserving and disregarding the negative parts of his life, (and if you are "talking about him as a whole" you can't disregard his later years)

MJ can have that affect :P and I agree that MJ played a role in advancing the equality of Black people. I enjoyed the debate and hearing the perspective of a non american so Thank you! :D

What the hell is a "black icon" anyway?DrSponge

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

MLK absolutely did change some people's perceptions, there were plenty of White people who changed their views after watching his speeches and seeing his peaceful approach, but of course he didnt change everyone's and MJ didn't change everyone's either as racism still exists...

Because I am a White chick I don't feel as though I am one to say if he is a Black icon or not (as were my sentiments about O'Reilly in an earlier post) No one can deny the things that he did and his part in Black history so if Black people want to embrace him as a Black Icon that's fine. I think the controversy about it comes in because people are simultaneously overemphasising his impact at the expense of other's who are more deserving and disregarding the negative parts of his life, (and if you are "talking about him as a whole" you can't disregard his later years)

Lindsosaurus

MJ can have that affect :P and I agree that MJ played a role in advancing the equality of Black people. I enjoyed the debate and hearing the perspective of a non american so Thank you! :D

It's a fair point and he's right. The only reason it's "controversial" is because it was said by someone who millions have been trained to hate...

[QUOTE="DrSponge"]What the hell is a "black icon" anyway?Achilles438

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[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"] I guess my point (and others) is the fact that Michael went out of his way to whiten everything about himself. Its like he was ashamed of being black.Akadian818

He had vitiligo. He did not hate the black community nor was ashamed of it. Why do people assume such irrational things?

Vitiligo appears in patches, ask any dermatologist. And lets pretend he had a severe case, more severe than others, that dosent explain why his entire body is neatly painted white, why he would remove his nose, and why he would buy white kids...

Have you seen any Micheal Jackson videos? If you look through the years you can see his skin getting lighter and lighter until he became what he is today. Maybe he likes white kids. That sure doesnt mean he is ashamed of his own race. Thats BS. Also he changed his nose because mean ol Jo was so mean to him about it.

I don't even understand why we need the concept of "black idols." I mean, can't people like MLK, Malcolm X, and Frederick Douglass be idols for white people and people like Mohandas Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and George Washington be idols for black people?

On topic, though, considering how much crap MJ did when he was an adult, he should by no means be considered an idolic figure.

Just another guy trying to say something controversal to get attention.

I have no respect for Bill O'Reilly anyway, everything I've heard him say is just out there

And Bill O'reilly is one of the most pathetic humans alive. Pathetic in a sad way; he is desparate to be noticed. He strives for recognition by saying outrageous things that he thinks will get him some sort of coverage outside of his own studio, and by saying them as loud as he can.

Erik729

And he believes only his opinion matters, which is just sad

What the hell is a "black icon" anyway?DrSponge

^Beats me.

A Music/dance icon is what Michael Jackson is.

I saw fox news host and closed the article immediately.

I saw fox news host and closed the article immediately.

Espada12

:P

What the hell is a "black icon" anyway?DrSponge

MJ:D