Bill O'Reilly : "Michael Jackson is NO black icon!"

How can you cal BO out on this. HE"S RIGHT! It is pathetic that so many see him as a black icon. He hated being black so badly that he spent million to make himself WHITE! Some here need to stop bashing BO just because it's the GS thing to do. :roll:

Pirate700

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Michael Jackson was a great performer, but there was very little else about him that was "great", which was the point O'Reilly was trying to make.Chutebox

[QUOTE="deadcell88"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

[QUOTE="deadcell88"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

theone86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

Wow, how pathetic. Do you have any idea what the term "lynch mob" means? It has nothing to do with lynching blacks in the context he used it. It has to do with majority rule/opinion and mob rule essentially being. Honestly, it's sad that I have to actually explain this to people.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

MrGeezer

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

Uh...you CAN'T "know" something without proof. Otherwise, you merely THINK it, and then you're either right or you're wrong.

Yet again, you completely missed the point. I'm done with you.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I don't put much faith in the "public opinion" of lynch mobs.

People's "opinions" really have absolutely no bearing on a person's guilt.

Maniacc1

Uhhh...you completely missed my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is how our governments justice system works. Even if you practically know someone like John Dillinger robbed banks and killed people, you couldn't arrest him. You have to find someway to prove it, or else he's TECHNICALLY innocent in the court of law.

My point is that you can't use "innocent until proven guilty" to assume someone is innocent. I guess you have to understand the court system to understand what I'm saying.

I never stated I thought he was guilty...

I'm simply arguing that using "innocent until proven guilty" structure of a court systems is an invalid argument in this situation.

**** the racist S.O.B

Well, Bill O'Reilly sure isn't a white icon either. Screw him.enterawesome

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

Chutebox

I think TBoogy has a right to his opinion. Shouldn't really matter to anyone else.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="deadcell88"] Proof? I've seen people before say Bill O'Reilly did this or that and then offer no proof. Too many people play the race card nowdays. Show me a quote where he references lynchings and generalized black people as gangsters. He probably said this one group such as the Black Panthers are gangsters or some rappers are gangsters and you are like oh no he said all black people are gangsters. MJ did turn himself white and wanted kids with white women and no matter what you can't excuse him sleeping with kids rather he did something or not. Jackson set aside so much money for his own funeral and also on another note the event cost LA $1.4 million when they're majorly in debt. He can be called a music icon but nothing more. You come off as the type of person who wants to excuse everything else in the spirit of political correctness or because he broke barriers and because O'Reilly says stuff that makes sense and doesn't benefit you, you slander him. Show me a quote of him being racist without you being reverse racist such as you saying he insults some rappers who are gangsters so that means he said all black people are gangsters.

deadcell88

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

It doesn't matter what the context was, it was an extremely insensitive and racist comment. Talking about lynchings so easily is bad enough, but doing so when talking about an African-American is worse. And he said, "I don't want to go after Michelle Obama with a lynch mob UNLESS," implying there are circumstances in which he would support going after her with a lynch mob. Regardless of if he actually WANTS to lynch anyone or not, it's dispicable rhetoric that brings one of the ugliest chapters in American history into prominence. He's basically using a phrase that represents the mob killings of people of color sensationalistically, that IS racist.

Second, he's implying that people in the inner city, specifically ethnic minorities, have no value systems. That is racist. Third, the implication is that because it was a black-owned restaurant in a black neighborhood he expected the black people there to be acting like tired, negative stereotypes. Whether you like it or not, those are the words of a racist.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="deadcell88"] Proof? I've seen people before say Bill O'Reilly did this or that and then offer no proof. Too many people play the race card nowdays. Show me a quote where he references lynchings and generalized black people as gangsters. He probably said this one group such as the Black Panthers are gangsters or some rappers are gangsters and you are like oh no he said all black people are gangsters. MJ did turn himself white and wanted kids with white women and no matter what you can't excuse him sleeping with kids rather he did something or not. Jackson set aside so much money for his own funeral and also on another note the event cost LA $1.4 million when they're majorly in debt. He can be called a music icon but nothing more. You come off as the type of person who wants to excuse everything else in the spirit of political correctness or because he broke barriers and because O'Reilly says stuff that makes sense and doesn't benefit you, you slander him. Show me a quote of him being racist without you being reverse racist such as you saying he insults some rappers who are gangsters so that means he said all black people are gangsters.

trix5817

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

Wow, how pathetic. Do you have any idea what the term "lynch mob" means? It has nothing to do with lynching blacks in the context he used it. It has to do with majority rule/opinion and mob rule essentially being. Honestly, it's sad that I have to actually explain this to people.

Context makes no difference. Don't try to act like he didn't know exactly what the implications would be if he used the term, he knew exactly what the implications would be and he used it anyways. It doesn't matter what context he used it in, it's still a phrase that has deep connections to a dispicable practice and you, Mr. O'Reily, and anyone else who decides to use it know exactly how you're affecting African-Americans negatively when you use it.

Are we still taking about michael jackson... i thought we stopped talking about him in the 80's... uuugh.

[QUOTE="deadcell88"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

First of all, O'Reily is a bonafide racist. Someone who casually references lynchings and generalizes black people as gangsters is a textbook definition of racist. Hell, in that article he sounds like someone from the old Jim Crow days. He's saying that the skin color of Jackson's kids diminishes his own, "blackness?" It's ridiculous. Like it or not, Jackson did break barriers. He's one of the most successful black musicians and he broke into American pop music like no African-American had done before. Regardless of what he did after that, many African-Americans still look up to him for breaking barriers in mainstream music.

theone86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

Nice to see Bill making an idiot out of himself again

1.How can Michael Jackson be selfish is he donated 300 MILLION DOLLARS to charity?the most a music artist has ever done.

2.He had to bleach his skin because he hada condition.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

theone86

Wow, how pathetic. Do you have any idea what the term "lynch mob" means? It has nothing to do with lynching blacks in the context he used it. It has to do with majority rule/opinion and mob rule essentially being. Honestly, it's sad that I have to actually explain this to people.

Context makes no difference. Don't try to act like he didn't know exactly what the implications would be if he used the term, he knew exactly what the implications would be and he used it anyways. It doesn't matter what context he used it in, it's still a phrase that has deep connections to a dispicable practice and you, Mr. O'Reily, and anyone else who decides to use it know exactly how you're affecting African-Americans negatively when you use it.

This is honestly making me laugh. You really have no idea what you are talking about. When someone refers to a lynch mob, they don't actually mean literally lynching people. They are referring to, like I said, the actions of a mob or opinions of a mob. Mob rule. Mob-like thinking. A mob. Simple as that.

For instance, when everyone was attacking AIG for the bonuses they receieved, I could of said, "I'm not going to join the lynch mob in attacking these people". It has nothing to do with white people lynching blacks. It has to do with populism. Rule of the majority.

Lynch mobs didn't start happening in the past 300 years...they've been happening for thousands upon thousands of years to people of all kinds for any reason you can think of, not just race. Also, Irish immigrants were also constantly targeted by lynch mobs, but yeah, I guess the Irish O'Reilly likes to attack his own heritage...

My god just google the phrase.

Rush? Like the band Rush?

freek666

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4milQCnCdGI

kemar7856

O'reilly doesn't put up with bull ****, which I appreciate, and he cites credible sources for facts, which I also appreciate. While I don't agree with him on some things, he is right about Michael Jackson. Jackson was a great entertainer, not a black icon, at all. In fact, Jackson all but abandoned his black roots. All the black activists ignored hm for this reason, until he died. Now they're acting like he's some sort of hero, and like they were praising him all along. They weren't. They want to have their cake and it too- hypocritical in my view.

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

TBoogy

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4milQCnCdGI

Tjeremiah1988

Why would he admit he's wrong, it's his opinion...

Something that's normative can't be "wrong"...

He's just trying to get on the news, thus getting more listeners.Yandere

Correct. Him and Rush are both windbags who definitely do not represent me.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]He's just trying to get on the news, thus getting more listeners.StrawberryHill

Correct. Him and Rush are both windbags who definitely do not represent me.

That guy hates everyone. He just needs to quit his job and STFU.

Wow! This is still going on? My biggest thread yet. So now I know the secret. Talk about someone polarizing. :P

But thanks for the discussion. I have read all comments and will refrain from tackling them all, but thanks for your contributions. Even those with whom I do not agree.

I will just add one last bit for those who agree with Bill:

MJ is an icon. MJ is black. He is therefore a "black icon".

I should add I am no MJ fan, I just hate Haters.

[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]He's just trying to get on the news, thus getting more listeners.LJS9502_basic

Correct. Him and Rush are both windbags who definitely do not represent me.

They claim to represent conservatives, so yeah.

Wow! This is still going on? My biggest thread yet. So now I know the secret. Talk about someone polarizing. :P

But thanks for the discussion. I have read all comments and will refrain from tackling them all, but thanks for your contributions. Even those with whom I do not agree.

I will just add one last bit for those who agree with Bill:

MJ is an icon. MJ is black. He is therefore a "black icon".

I should add I am no MJ fan, I just hate Haters.

TBoogy

By "black icon" I think they mean representing or promoting the black race...if MJ is someone you want promoting you, then that's sad. There are thousands that deserve it more than a freakin' ENTERTAINER.

[QUOTE="deadcell88"][QUOTE="theone86"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BRmU9g1S9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14s9c5nfz8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpnTfTCIic

There's proof. I'm not trying to excuse everything, I just don't see the point in getting caught up in all of it AND I think O'Reily is out of line in what he says. I think you and O'Reily are both increasing your blood pressue over nothing. Oh, you have to define what Jackson is and you have to make sure everyone accepts your definition. "He can be called a music icon but nothing more." How egotistical is that? You simply can't accept the fact that he is revered for being an inspiration to African-Americans and that so many people admire him because you have hang-ups about him.

theone86

It doesn't matter what the context was, it was an extremely insensitive and racist comment. Talking about lynchings so easily is bad enough, but doing so when talking about an African-American is worse. And he said, "I don't want to go after Michelle Obama with a lynch mob UNLESS," implying there are circumstances in which he would support going after her with a lynch mob. Regardless of if he actually WANTS to lynch anyone or not, it's dispicable rhetoric that brings one of the ugliest chapters in American history into prominence. He's basically using a phrase that represents the mob killings of people of color sensationalistically, that IS racist.

Second, he's implying that people in the inner city, specifically ethnic minorities, have no value systems. That is racist. Third, the implication is that because it was a black-owned restaurant in a black neighborhood he expected the black people there to be acting like tired, negative stereotypes. Whether you like it or not, those are the words of a racist.

Someone please kick him in the nuts and while he's bending over in pain, slap him in the face.Kikouken

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Wow! This is still going on? My biggest thread yet. So now I know the secret. Talk about someone polarizing. :P

But thanks for the discussion. I have read all comments and will refrain from tackling them all, but thanks for your contributions. Even those with whom I do not agree.

I will just add one last bit for those who agree with Bill:

MJ is an icon. MJ is black. He is therefore a "black icon".

I should add I am no MJ fan, I just hate Haters.

trix5817

By "black icon" I think they mean representing or promoting the black race...if MJ is someone you want promoting you, then that's sad. There are thousands that deserve it more than a freakin' ENTERTAINER.

I agree, this seems to be where the discussion gets cloudy.

However, that is not what icon means. That he is a role model or "hero" is up to debate. That he is a black icon is not. Especially if (as Bill did) you try to argue the point not by questioning if he is an Icon, but by questioning if he is black.

Michael Jackson died?

avatar_genius

[QUOTE="Kikouken"]Someone please kick him in the nuts and while he's bending over in pain, slap him in the face.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Kikouken"]Someone please kick him in the nuts and while he's bending over in pain, slap him in the face.Kikouken

Bill O rielly is black.

If bill says it, it must be true.

I guess we'll just have to take MJ off the "black icon" list now...

NOT!!!

He's black, he's an icon.

He's a black icon.

dur,

[QUOTE="Kikouken"]Someone please kick him in the nuts and while he's bending over in pain, slap him in the face.MoonMarvel

and for every truth, he says how many lies?

oh, it doesn't matter... he's on fox news! right?

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Kikouken"]Someone please kick him in the nuts and while he's bending over in pain, slap him in the face.finesse-gamer

and for every truth, he says how many lies?

oh, it doesn't matter... he's on fox news! right?

Really, what is up with all the hate from him and Rush?

For those who don't read, he seems mostly upset that MJ has kids by white eggs and sperm. Also that he spent some of his money on himself.

Sorry if old. Here is the link:

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=420144>1=28103

What do you think?

TBoogy

Well, Bill O'Reilly sure isn't a white icon either. Screw him.enterawesome