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#651 MushroomWig

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This is the people you want to elect: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8663681.stmfenwickhotmail

How is that any different from when john prescott had a fight with a guy for throwing an egg at him? It's stupid, but don't pretend like the BNP are the only ones to ever get into a fight.

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#652 yellerbelly

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Prezza reacted instinctively to someone lunging at him from a crowd. I'd imagine I'd do the same thing. Mr Bailey shouted something at a group of people that they didn't like. They reacted angrily Mr Bailey punched one of them. Completely different situations. One was survival instinct, the other was a physical confrontation that could and should have been avoided.

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#653 MushroomWig

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Prezza reacted instinctively to someone lunging at him from a crowd. I'd imagine I'd do the same thing. Mr Bailey shouted something at a group of people that they didn't like. They reacted angrily Mr Bailey punched one of them. Completely different situations. One was survival instinct, the other was a physical confrontation that could and should have been avoided. yellerbelly

They attacked first by spitting on him (which is disgusting) and he instinctively reacted, stop trying to justify Prescott but not this guy jus because he's part of the BNP. Of course it could (and should) of been avoided, same with Prescott, I don't recall Nick Griffin attacking the guy just because he threw an egg at him.

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#654 th3warr1or

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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Nope, I'm voting for the British National Party.

That's what I said, racists.

They're not racists, all they want to do is make Britain British again by stopping mass immigration, nothing wrong with that.

Yeah.. White Separatists...

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I like his thinking :lol: But naah, it's still wrong.

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"] That's what I said, racists.

They're not racists, all they want to do is make Britain British again by stopping mass immigration, nothing wrong with that.

Yeah.. White Separatists...

As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.

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#657 MissLibrarian

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As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.clyde46

This is the truth. The BNP wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for the fact that immigration is a dangerous subject left basically untouched by the big 3. Labour, Tories, Liberals - they all talk about 'caps' on international immigration when it is the mass immigration through the European Union that poses problems, which also cannot be altered. My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.MissLibrarian

This is the truth. The BNP wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for the fact that immigration is a dangerous subject left basically untouched by the big 3. Labour, Tories, Liberals - they all talk about 'caps' on international immigration when it is the mass immigration through the European Union that poses problems, which also cannot be altered. My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

Agreed, but I think the BNP will gain a lot of ground in this election though.

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#659 MushroomWig

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

I didn't realise you were English. :)

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#660 MissLibrarian

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Agreed, but I think the BNP will gain a lot of ground in this election though.clyde46

Unfortunately, yes. There are a lot of dissatisfied people who are drawn to the BNP's harsh approach simply because it is saying something, and making a point. Happily they won't get much power though, and a good thing to, because if they ran the country it'd be a disaster! :P

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#661 MushroomWig

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because if they ran the country it'd be a disaster! :PMissLibrarian

Sure, it could be a disaster but to be fair you can't say that for sure. Whoeever wins this election could be a disaster for the country.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.MissLibrarian

This is the truth. The BNP wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for the fact that immigration is a dangerous subject left basically untouched by the big 3. Labour, Tories, Liberals - they all talk about 'caps' on international immigration when it is the mass immigration through the European Union that poses problems, which also cannot be altered. My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

Where is that if you dont mind me asking? Ive just never experienced that and im thinking maybe it would be different if i had.

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#663 yellerbelly

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Indeed. A lot of people see they're willing to confront immigration and don't necessarily look a little deeper into the party or it's members.

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#664 MissLibrarian

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]because if they ran the country it'd be a disaster! :PMushroomWig

Sure, it could be a disaster but to be fair you can't say that for sure. Whoeever wins this election could be a disaster for the country.

The current political make-up of this country is an absolute farce, there is no clear opposition anywhere, and so no democracy. Since there is a lack of truth and integrity in the whole system, the next government will be a disaster, whoever they are. However even if the system wasn't corrupt the BNP would never be able to actually run the country. Their Education policies are outlandish and unclear. Their Business policies (what they have of them anyway) are riddled with misunderstanding and lean far too heavily on international business for a 'British' party. They have no understanding what-so-ever as to things like the Budget, Foreign Policy, Benefit and Welfare Systems, the NHS, political debating, banking policies or Transport issues (and personally I can't stand their 'Get to the Kitchen' attitude towards women either). The fact of the matter is that the BNP have absolutely NO IDEA how to run a country and even if they weren't riddled with the black veins of Racial Hatred their policies and abilities as a Political party would still be about as believable and relevant as the Raving Loony Party's blank manifesto. Sorry it's the truth.

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#665 Symphonycometh

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Not all women love, enjoy, or even appreciate sex. Some treat the concept worse than a little boy and cooties. Silly ex-candidate.

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This thread has been a fascinating read, thank you all.

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#667 MissLibrarian

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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary.

Where is that if you dont mind me asking? Ive just never experienced that and im thinking maybe it would be different if i had.

There are two areas that come to mind. The first is the Lowesmoor in Worcester which is now known in the city as Little Poland, there are lots are great Deli-like shops there which sell fantastic Polish sausage and smoked meats etc, but there's only one shopkeeper in a line of 25 or so who actually greets me warmly like everyone else despite the fact that whenever I work at the City library I walk down this road and pop into the shops regularly. The other is the Handsworth, Birmingham, which is a large Asian community. I make dresses from patterns for friends and when I need fine satin and silk fabrics I find that shops that sell fabric for saree suits have fantastic quality fabrics at unbeatable prices. However I order online now since the last 3 times I've been to Handsworth I found it very intimidating. I explained how paper patterns worked to one woman, I remember, she was really interested, but after a man came over and basically shouted at me for introducing her to my 'Western ways'. Since I live in a little 'white' village the immigration question is of little importance to me, but though I love the fact I can buy authentic Polish sausage or saree fabrics, it seems they don't love selling it to me so much.

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oh yeah i have been to handsworth a few times majority asians but not intimidating like you said.

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This thread has been a fascinating read, thank you all.
Atmanix

Read this :) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126548359&ft=1&f=1001

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary.

Where is that if you dont mind me asking? Ive just never experienced that and im thinking maybe it would be different if i had.

There are two areas that come to mind. The first is the Lowesmoor in Worcester which is now known in the city as Little Poland, there are lots are great Deli-like shops there which sell fantastic Polish sausage and smoked meats etc, but there's only one shopkeeper in a line of 25 or so who actually greets me warmly like everyone else despite the fact that whenever I work at the City library I walk down this road and pop into the shops regularly. The other is the Handsworth, Birmingham, which is a large Asian community. I make dresses from patterns for friends and when I need fine satin and silk fabrics I find that shops that sell fabric for saree suits have fantastic quality fabrics at unbeatable prices. However I order online now since the last 3 times I've been to Handsworth I found it very intimidating. I explained how paper patterns worked to one woman, I remember, she was really interested, but after a man came over and basically shouted at me for introducing her to my 'Western ways'. Since I live in a little 'white' village the immigration question is of little importance to me, but though I love the fact I can buy authentic Polish sausage or saree fabrics, it seems they don't love selling it to me so much.

Well see to me the answer to that isnt going after and segregating these people even more but making more of an effort to live together where both sides are willing to share our cultures. I just dont like the whole them and us attitude and feel that the BNP insteed of making the country better are making it worse.

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Well, who ever gets in has to deal with all these cuts that are needed. And if Greece is anything to go by. Its not going to be pretty. London will burn for a second time.

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#672 MissLibrarian

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oh yeah i have been to handsworth a few times majority asians but not intimidating like you said.-Y2J-

To be honest I didn't find Handsworth at all intimidating until that one guy got all up in my face. I was by myself and it spooked me more than it should have. However as I said immigration is not a policy that is relevant to me when I think about my vote. I think that all people who are British are British and that's that, regardless of heritage or colour or race or anything else. But I honestly must admit that there have been times when I have felt distinctly unwelcome in some areas ('white' areas too, I regularly get more grief from football louts than anyone else), which seems unfair, especially since I personally believe in treating everyone you meet as you would like to be treated. Large pocket communities don't bother me (despite what I have said about my negative experiences I like the opportunity to buy/interact with these communities and would never 'get rid' of them or anything so ridiculous) but from my own experiences I guess I can understand how some people might. Unhappy about immigration = vote for BNP since Big 3 don't mention it, which was my original point for posting :P

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Well, who ever gets in has to deal with all these cuts that are needed. And if Greece is anything to go by. Its not going to be pretty. London will burn for a second time.
clyde46

Yea well im annoyed by how unfair the budget was spent on London anyway. I heard about how London will get millions from the Olympics but the rest of the county will be massively out of pocket because of it.

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#674 MissLibrarian

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Well see to me the answer to that isnt going after and segregating these people even more but making more of an effort to live together where both sides are willing to share our cultures. I just dont like the whole them and us attitude and feel that the BNP insteed of making the country better are making it worse.Wolls

Precisely that is exactly what I meant. I love living in a multicultural country but sometimes I feel like 'us and them' when I'm in these areas despite that fact that I have gone there specifically for some reason and want to interact with them like I would with anyone. I just meant to illustrate that I think the dividing line is sometimes drawn by both sides, when we should all be having a rip-roaring party tbh.

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[QUOTE="Wolls"]Well see to me the answer to that isnt going after and segregating these people even more but making more of an effort to live together where both sides are willing to share our cultures. I just dont like the whole them and us attitude and feel that the BNP insteed of making the country better are making it worse.MissLibrarian

Precisely that is exactly what I meant. I love living in a multicultural country but sometimes I feel like 'us and them' when I'm in these areas despite that fact that I have gone there specifically for some reason and want to interact with them like I would with anyone. I just meant to illustrate that I think the dividing line is sometimes drawn by both sides, when we should all be having a rip-roaring party tbh.

haha, maybe we need a hands around the UK thing :D

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#676 MissLibrarian

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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="MissLibrarian"] Precisely that is exactly what I meant. I love living in a multicultural country but sometimes I feel like 'us and them' when I'm in these areas despite that fact that I have gone there specifically for some reason and want to interact with them like I would with anyone. I just meant to illustrate that I think the dividing line is sometimes drawn by both sides, when we should all be having a rip-roaring party tbh.

haha, maybe we need a hands around the UK thing :D

Definitely! Or at least some sort of nationwide carnival. Not for a national or religious reason, just for the hell of it. People should just be people.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]
Well, who ever gets in has to deal with all these cuts that are needed. And if Greece is anything to go by. Its not going to be pretty. London will burn for a second time.
Wolls

Yea well im annoyed by how unfair the budget was spent on London anyway. I heard about how London will get millions from the Olympics but the rest of the county will be massively out of pocket because of it.

I'm more worried about these cuts. Look at what happened in Greece. All hell broke loose when they cut spending. Over here we have a history of kicking off big time when things piss us off. Something I came up with. "The public is a slow beast. But piss it off enough it will take you down reguardless of who you are".

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#678 fenwickhotmail

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[QUOTE="Wolls"]
[QUOTE="clyde46"]
Well, who ever gets in has to deal with all these cuts that are needed. And if Greece is anything to go by. Its not going to be pretty. London will burn for a second time.
clyde46

Yea well im annoyed by how unfair the budget was spent on London anyway. I heard about how London will get millions from the Olympics but the rest of the county will be massively out of pocket because of it.

I'm more worried about these cuts. Look at what happened in Greece. All hell broke loose when they cut spending. Over here we have a history of kicking off big time when things piss us off. Something I came up with. "The public is a slow beast. But piss it off enough it will take you down reguardless of who you are".

It was forced to make those cuts. Ours will be the same but over a longer period.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Wolls"] Yea well im annoyed by how unfair the budget was spent on London anyway. I heard about how London will get millions from the Olympics but the rest of the county will be massively out of pocket because of it.
fenwickhotmail

I'm more worried about these cuts. Look at what happened in Greece. All hell broke loose when they cut spending. Over here we have a history of kicking off big time when things piss us off. Something I came up with. "The public is a slow beast. But piss it off enough it will take you down reguardless of who you are".

It was forced to make those cuts. Ours will be the same but over a longer period.

Yea i think youre right there. I mean yea we are massively in debt but those cuts wont be one big one that rocks the country, they will just cut back on things here and there. Yea people will be pissed off but i think it will work out in the end :)

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#680 Xx_Hopeless_xX

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Rape is one of the most disgusting things i can think of...i loathe rapists as much as pedophiles and the like..

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#681 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.MissLibrarian

This is the truth. The BNP wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for the fact that immigration is a dangerous subject left basically untouched by the big 3. Labour, Tories, Liberals - they all talk about 'caps' on international immigration when it is the mass immigration through the European Union that poses problems, which also cannot be altered. My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

And that is exactly why more radical groups get power. No one wants to be the one to step up and address issues for fear of offending some people and then it goes the other way. Just curious....but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?

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#682 MushroomWig

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but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?LJS9502_basic

Every chance they get.

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"][QUOTE="clyde46"]As much as I hate the idiot that leads the party. A lot of white British people are looking towards the BNP because the big 3 arent doing enough.LJS9502_basic

This is the truth. The BNP wouldn't get anywhere if it wasn't for the fact that immigration is a dangerous subject left basically untouched by the big 3. Labour, Tories, Liberals - they all talk about 'caps' on international immigration when it is the mass immigration through the European Union that poses problems, which also cannot be altered. My problem with the whole immigration thing is I get intimidated when I walk down some streets in the cities near me and there is no English written anywhere, and nobody speaks English, and I get weird looks because I'm English and in the 'wrong place'. That's not muticulturalism to me, I'm afraid, that's excluding and scary. Unfortunately

And that is exactly why more radical groups get power. No one wants to be the one to step up and address issues for fear of offending some people and then it goes the other way. Just curious....but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?

Around every opportunity people ask them to address these issues.

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#684 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?MushroomWig

Every chance they get.

Then if those policies don't change.....I guess eventually your BNP party will start winning seats. You can only push people so far before they fight back.

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#685 MissLibrarian

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And that is exactly why more radical groups get power. No one wants to be the one to step up and address issues for fear of offending some people and then it goes the other way. Just curious....but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?LJS9502_basic

Not easily. And when the British public try to make a statement, it is simply ignored anyway, such as the Anti-War and Countryside walks.

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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]but does the English population make it known that these are problems they want addressed to their politicians?LJS9502_basic

Every chance they get.

Then if those policies don't change.....I guess eventually your BNP party will start winning seats. You can only push people so far before they fight back.

Yea i guess thats true isnt it. I really dont want the BNP in though so id rarther give the real politicians another chance though just becasue of the other things that the BNP party seem to want as well.

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#687 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Every chance they get.

Then if those policies don't change.....I guess eventually your BNP party will start winning seats. You can only push people so far before they fight back.

Yea i guess thats true isnt it. I really dont want the BNP in though so id rarther give the real politicians another chance though just becasue of the other things that the BNP party seem to want as well.

Yes I understand that. But politicians have a habit of ignoring the people until they start getting voted out. I'm quite fed up with ours and wish the US would vote out all incumbents. I do plan on not voting for them myself. Term limits? The people can fix that even if the don't exist.

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[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I'm more worried about these cuts. Look at what happened in Greece. All hell broke loose when they cut spending. Over here we have a history of kicking off big time when things piss us off. Something I came up with. "The public is a slow beast. But piss it off enough it will take you down reguardless of who you are".Wolls

It was forced to make those cuts. Ours will be the same but over a longer period.

Yea i think youre right there. I mean yea we are massively in debt but those cuts wont be one big one that rocks the country, they will just cut back on things here and there. Yea people will be pissed off but i think it will work out in the end :)

I dont think so. I think there will be riots that will be worse than Greece.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hygkc7LW4D0&feature=related

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#690 PannicAtack

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Cultures do not change.AHUGECAT

That statement is so outrageously false that it is downright laughable to anyone with more than a passing interest in the history of art, literature, or music.

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#691 wigan_gamer

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I would have loved to vote for the BNP today if it meant their is 0% chance of becoming a country ruled by muslim laws in the future. However I have to admit they are racist and I do not want racists in power... If there was a party abolishing religion thats one I would vote for :) I went labor though oh well.

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#692 PannicAtack

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If there was a party abolishing religion thats one I would vote for :) I went labor though oh well.wigan_gamer

I'm more for freedom and tolerance, personally.

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#693 wigan_gamer

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[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]If there was a party abolishing religion thats one I would vote for :) I went labor though oh well.PannicAtack

I'm more for freedom and tolerance, personally.

Religion stops freedom :/ if there was no religion all laws could be based on pure logic.

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#694 PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]
[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]If there was a party abolishing religion thats one I would vote for :) I went labor though oh well.wigan_gamer

I'm more for freedom and tolerance, personally.

Religion stops freedom :/ if there was no religion all laws could be based on pure logic.

Isn't it highly hypocritical for you to support a hypothetical law that explicitly tells people what to believe and how to practice, ie to not have a religion, because "religion stops freedom?"

Nevermind that "religion stops freedom" is a dubious statement to begin with.

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#695 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I'm more for freedom and tolerance, personally.
PannicAtack

Religion stops freedom :/ if there was no religion all laws could be based on pure logic.

Isn't it highly hypocritical for you to support a hypothetical law that explicitly tells people what to believe and how to practice, ie to not have a religion, because religion "stops freedom?"

I would agree with your statement about tolerance.....but should specific religions change the laws based on ONLY their views?

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#696 PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"] Religion stops freedom :/ if there was no religion all laws could be based on pure logic.LJS9502_basic

Isn't it highly hypocritical for you to support a hypothetical law that explicitly tells people what to believe and how to practice, ie to not have a religion, because religion "stops freedom?"

I would agree with your statement about tolerance.....but should specific religions change the laws based on ONLY their views?

Elaborate?

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#697 LJS9502_basic Online

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Isn't it highly hypocritical for you to support a hypothetical law that explicitly tells people what to believe and how to practice, ie to not have a religion, because religion "stops freedom?"PannicAtack

I would agree with your statement about tolerance.....but should specific religions change the laws based on ONLY their views?

Of course not.

Which is the problem facing the England.

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#698 PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I would agree with your statement about tolerance.....but should specific religions change the laws based on ONLY their views?
LJS9502_basic

Of course not.

Which is the problem facing the England.

I'm afraid I didn't quite get your question.

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#699 PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]
[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]If there was a party abolishing religion thats one I would vote for :) I went labor though oh well.wigan_gamer

I'm more for freedom and tolerance, personally.

Religion stops freedom :/ if there was no religion all laws could be based on pure logic.

Actually, that's another thing. The notion that if it wasn't for that pesky religion, we'd all move to a new enlightened utopia, with no prejudice or oppression, nothing holding back science, blah blah blah. That's a fallacy.

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#700 wigan_gamer

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I would agree with your statement about tolerance.....but should specific religions change the laws based on ONLY their views?
LJS9502_basic

Of course not.

Which is the problem facing the England.

yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.

I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.

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