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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Because that's what happens when whites become a minority. South Africa's present is America's/Europe's future.

AHUGECAT

:lol: The amount of ignorance, bigotry, and just sheer xenophobia is outstanding in you. Whites are a minority in a couple of the provinces in Canada, and hell the entire country 20 years from now, strange, i don't see Black Canadians breaking down my door murdering my family. HURP DURP? Why? Because this isn't a war-torn poor 3rd world country, this is a first world country. Try again.

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.
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Also, i really do feel compelled to follow this through: Me - i've always lived in a cosmopolitan society and i've been brought up to respect people and not be racist or bigoted. You - well you would say that, you're benefiting from it. Me - Come again? Benefiting from what? *after some coaxing* You - benefiting from living there What point are you trying to make here? :? What am i benefiting from by living in Britain? What does that have to do with living a cosmopolitan society and respecting people?
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] :lol: The amount of ignorance, bigotry, and just sheer xenophobia is outstanding in you. Whites are a minority in a couple of the provinces in Canada, and hell the entire country 20 years from now, strange, i don't see Black Canadians breaking down my door murdering my family. HURP DURP? Why? Because this isn't a war-torn poor 3rd world country, this is a first world country. Try again.Ninja-Hippo

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

Your link does literally nothing to rebuke his comments. A point is rebutted by another point, not a link to a long article. Like i said earlier, regarding the BNP and similar issues, there's always a tendency 'not to answer the question or rebut the point... but just to respond. Any response will do.'

Not to mention he posted an article that in itself says that whites are in control and racist.
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Derp. Whites started as a minority in South Africa.majoras_wrath

Whites were in South Africa years before blacks were.

Source? I don't know why I bother asking, but you are flat-out wrong. :lol:

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] :lol: The amount of ignorance, bigotry, and just sheer xenophobia is outstanding in you. Whites are a minority in a couple of the provinces in Canada, and hell the entire country 20 years from now, strange, i don't see Black Canadians breaking down my door murdering my family. HURP DURP? Why? Because this isn't a war-torn poor 3rd world country, this is a first world country. Try again.FrostyPhantasm

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.

What's wrong with learning other languages, anyway? You learn so much about your own language, by looking at grammar and sentence structure.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] :lol: The amount of ignorance, bigotry, and just sheer xenophobia is outstanding in you. Whites are a minority in a couple of the provinces in Canada, and hell the entire country 20 years from now, strange, i don't see Black Canadians breaking down my door murdering my family. HURP DURP? Why? Because this isn't a war-torn poor 3rd world country, this is a first world country. Try again.FrostyPhantasm

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

AHUGECAT

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

Now I'm tempted to quote Pink Floyd lyrics. >_>

Seriously. Reading comprehension.

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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

AHUGECAT

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

Once again, you lack any form of a logical argument, so you make up a random deflection onto a country which has no bearing on the topic at hand ALL. The article you linked is the polar opposite of political correctness, I don't know what you are getting at, and it looks like you don't either..
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I find it so hard to believe this topic is still going on. I didn't think there was any sane argument for the BNP and their policies...seeing the supports of those policies has just proven me right :P
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Whites were in South Africa years before blacks were.

AHUGECAT

Source? I don't know why I bother asking, but you are flat-out wrong. :lol:

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

I love how your own link proves you wrong :D

In reference to the nearby mountains "The original name given to the mountain by the first Khoi inhabitants was Hoeri 'kwaggo ("sea mountain")" Khoi, meaning the tribe of native Africans, also known as blacks.

From the Khoi article on Wikipedia "The Khoikhoi were originally part of a pastoral culture and language group found across Southern Africa. Originated in the northern area of modern Botswana, the ethnic group steadily migrated south, reaching the Cape approximately 2,000 years ago"

For your own sake, please be a really really determined troll.

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I love how your own link proves you wrong :D

majoras_wrath

Again? >_>

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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Whites were in South Africa years before blacks were.

AHUGECAT

Source? I don't know why I bother asking, but you are flat-out wrong. :lol:

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

A painting of the first Europeans to land in South Africa. Guess who's in the picture?

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.PannicAtack

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

Now I'm tempted to quote Pink Floyd lyrics. >_>

Seriously. Reading comprehension.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-videos/%28afp%29---chinatown-in-vancouver-cheers-on-canadian-olympic-team_278492g110288-QJ.html

Thousands of Chinese show their loyalty to China during the Vancouver olympics.

See, that article is very racial from an Asian perspective. He wanted to set up Mandarin schools so that Chinese speakers could attent, and he wanted a separate school system for the Chinese, and even called English the "Colonial Language," and complained the neighborhood of Kitsilano is "too white." He also talked about "White Supremacisy" alot, and he seemed to want a lot more Asians in power.

As I said, China is 99% Chinese so they do not have the same views as multiculturalism as Canada does, so when China becomes the new world's super power, China will need help fitting its 1.5 billion (give or take a couple hundred million) people somewhere, so that "not so quiet revolution" will turn into a very loud revolution.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

AHUGECAT

Now I'm tempted to quote Pink Floyd lyrics. >_>

Seriously. Reading comprehension.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-videos/%28afp%29---chinatown-in-vancouver-cheers-on-canadian-olympic-team_278492g110288-QJ.html

Thousands of Chinese show their loyalty to China during the Vancouver olympics.

See, that article is very racial from an Asian perspective. He wanted to set up Mandarin schools so that Chinese speakers could attent, and he wanted a separate school system for the Chinese, and even called English the "Colonial Language," and complained the neighborhood of Kitsilano is "too white." He also talked about "White Supremacisy" alot, and he seemed to want a lot more Asians in power.

As I said, China is 99% Chinese so they do not have the same views as multiculturalism as Canada does, so when China becomes the new world's super power, China will need help fitting its 1.5 billion (give or take a couple hundred million) people somewhere, so that "not so quiet revolution" will turn into a very loud revolution.

What is your point? There are racists in China? We've already been over this. >_>

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Once again, you lack any form of a logical argument, so you make up a random deflection onto a country which has no bearing on the topic at hand ALL. The article you linked is the polar opposite of political correctness, I don't know what you are getting at, and it looks like you don't either..FrostyPhantasm
The lines of logic just confuse me. "Racism is a bad thing" is somehow combated by 'china is 99% chinese'. What? :? 'Cheese isn't a very nice food stuff.' 'Yeah? Well Jack Bauer is played by Kiefer Sutherland.'
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Source? I don't know why I bother asking, but you are flat-out wrong. :lol:Ninja-Hippo

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

A painting of the first Europeans to land in South Africa. Guess who's in the picture?

Jan van Riebeeck wasn't the first European to arrive in Cape Town.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

AHUGECAT

Now I'm tempted to quote Pink Floyd lyrics. >_>

Seriously. Reading comprehension.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic-videos/%28afp%29---chinatown-in-vancouver-cheers-on-canadian-olympic-team_278492g110288-QJ.html

Thousands of Chinese show their loyalty to China during the Vancouver olympics.

See, that article is very racial from an Asian perspective. He wanted to set up Mandarin schools so that Chinese speakers could attent, and he wanted a separate school system for the Chinese, and even called English the "Colonial Language," and complained the neighborhood of Kitsilano is "too white." He also talked about "White Supremacisy" alot, and he seemed to want a lot more Asians in power.

As I said, China is 99% Chinese so they do not have the same views as multiculturalism as Canada does, so when China becomes the new world's super power, China will need help fitting its 1.5 billion (give or take a couple hundred million) people somewhere, so that "not so quiet revolution" will turn into a very loud revolution.

Oh so a racist asian's article about how he thinks his world is too white (which is exactly like your argument except replace white with foreign ;) ) is credible? :lol: NO WAY? People from a country supporting both of their countries in the olympics? That is just..wow how dare they!!! Not only all of that, but THAT PROVES THAT IMMIGRANTS AREN'T TAKING OVER!
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

AHUGECAT

A painting of the first Europeans to land in South Africa. Guess who's in the picture?

Jan van Riebeeck wasn't the first European to arrive in Cape Town.

Read my post, please.

Orrrr avoid it since it completely destroys your delusional argument.

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I really cant fathom all this 'the chinese are coming to get you' fear-mongering either. China is becoming a prominent global power because it is emerging as an economic power house, whereas previously it was still stuck in that early 1900s European rut of militarism and nationalism, before the world seemed to take an interest in economics and business and the wonders it can do for your country. China's power rests on its ability to trade with the world. Conflict is the absolute last thing they want.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

White people have lived in South Africa over 300 years ago, even 150 years after the first colonies around Cape Town, at the beginning of the 19th century, there were still no blacks hundreds of miles around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

AHUGECAT

A painting of the first Europeans to land in South Africa. Guess who's in the picture?

Jan van Riebeeck wasn't the first European to arrive in Cape Town.

So you're saying white europeans advanced enough to construct ships and travel to South Africa before the clearly visible tribal, african natives got there? :|

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Perhaps they should get raped and see how much they actually enjoy it.

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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=2507847&sponsor=

AHUGECAT

Derp, maybe you should read the article you've linked me twice without any backing up of what's ACTUALLY INSIDE IT, it's a conspiracy theorists approach that all of Canada are white supremacists which only further goes against your argument, HELL the article you linked equates CANADA TO BEING LIKE THE APARTHEID WHICH YOU APPARENTLY LIKE, and it's reasoning for this is because the teachers are white and the students aren't? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT, THE CITY IS MAJORILY NON-WHITE, of course the students wont be! Also the only languages any business man HAS to learn in Canada is English and French, and his been so for YEARS. Try again.

Canada to being like apartheid?

Dang, political correctness has taken over.

China is 99% Chinese by the way.

1. It would take a ridiculous amount of immigrants to move to China to make a difference in the percentage of their population as their population figures are enormus.

2. Who would want to move to China?

Both points apply to India.

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With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asians.

Regarding Vancouver: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift...

...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.

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With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.D_Battery

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.AHUGECAT

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

How does that affect you? Why does it bother you so much?

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#626 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.AHUGECAT

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

Because no one wants to move to a third world country.

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#627 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"]With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.SgtKevali

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

How does that affect you? Why does it bother you so much?

Do you really want me to list dozens of reasons?

Why does it bother so much for them to just learn English?

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#628 weezyfb
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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]postAHUGECAT

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

Because third world nations have completely different economies tahn first world nations..... In countries like AMERICA the citizens dont want to do the low end jobs...but they need doing thus immigration. You arent gonna find many American citizens picking fruit for instance

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#629 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"]With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.coolbeans90

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

Because no one wants to move to a third world country.

And the fact they have strict immigration laws.

Mexico has executed illegal immigrants.

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#630 AHUGECAT
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You arent gonna find many American citizens picking fruit for instance

weezyfb

Yes you are. My brother would love to pick fruit after being laid off.

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#631 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

AHUGECAT

How does that affect you? Why does it bother you so much?

Do you really want me to list dozens of reasons?

Why does it bother so much for them to just learn English?

It's not exactly the easiest thing to do, however the VAST majority do. (Iwould assume)

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#632 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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Ugh, this thread was dead and all his arguments brutally defeated, now it's gonna have to come full circle again. Maybe he'll stick on countries he actually knows about this time though so i won't get involved.
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#633 D_Battery
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Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

AHUGECAT

Please take Anthropology 100 NAO. Language change is not the same as cultural change.

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#634 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

How does that affect you? Why does it bother you so much?

SgtKevali

Do you really want me to list dozens of reasons?

Why does it bother so much for them to just learn English?

It's not exactly the easiest thing to do, however the VAST majority do. (Iwould assume)

60% of Miami cannot speak english.

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#635 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

AHUGECAT

Because no one wants to move to a third world country.

And the fact they have strict immigration laws.

Mexico has executed illegal immigrants.

And...? what?

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#636 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

AHUGECAT

Because no one wants to move to a third world country.

And the fact they have strict immigration laws.

Mexico has executed illegal immigrants.

Yeah, but regardless, the laws make little difference for third world nations.

Mexico is a backwards nation that suffers even more the same destructive mentality that many in this nation do. And their economic policies are not much to boast about. Still, many wouldn't move there. They aren't losing much by having the laws in place because of such, and keep the sheeple happy.

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#637 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Do you really want me to list dozens of reasons?

Why does it bother so much for them to just learn English?

AHUGECAT

It's not exactly the easiest thing to do, however the VAST majority do. (Iwould assume)

60% of Miami cannot speak english.

Keyword: Miami.

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#638 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

D_Battery

Please take Anthropology 100 NAO. Language change is not the same as cultural change.

Yeah, some do assimilate and they should be able to stay, but the vast majority do not. I live in Los Angeles, and when I go to downtown (although there is almost never a reason to) it's literally not America. It can't be. Looks even WORSE than Tijuana.

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#639 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

AHUGECAT

Please take Anthropology 100 NAO. Language change is not the same as cultural change.

Yeah, some do assimilate and they should be able to stay, but the vast majority do not. I live in Los Angeles, and when I go to downtown (although there is almost never a reason to) it's literally not America. It can't be. Looks even WORSE than Tijuana.

And in zoom's his deflections onto other countries that are 3rd worlds and not 1st worlds. Next he will link long articles that argue against his point, then come the pointless pictures are statistics.
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#640 D_Battery
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

Please take Anthropology 100 NAO. Language change is not the same as cultural change.

Yeah, some do assimilate and they should be able to stay, but the vast majority do not. I live in Los Angeles, and when I go to downtown (although there is almost never a reason to) it's literally not America. It can't be. Looks even WORSE than Tijuana.

Maybe it's time then that you adjust exactly what your conception of America is.
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#641 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="D_Battery"]

Please take Anthropology 100 NAO. Language change is not the same as cultural change.

D_Battery

Yeah, some do assimilate and they should be able to stay, but the vast majority do not. I live in Los Angeles, and when I go to downtown (although there is almost never a reason to) it's literally not America. It can't be. Looks even WORSE than Tijuana.

Maybe it's time then that you adjust exactly what your conception of America is.

A third world country?

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#642 Tauruslink
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I take it this BNP is something like the Tea Party over here? Lol. :P
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#643 AHUGECAT
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I take it this BNP is something like the Tea Party over here? Lol. :PTauruslink

How is the Tea Party anything like the BNP?

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#644 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Of course it's not racism, it's wanting to keep Great Britain British and not a multi-culterial society. the BNP are not racist, they just do not want British people to be the minortiy IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.MushroomWig

But Britain IS a multi-cultural society, always has been and always will be. Your ancestors were not all white british you know. No doubt you will have people from all over the world in your family history that you never knew about. THAT imo is what makes this country great, the fact that we can accept different cultures and different ideas into our society and grow because of it. I cant stand the idea of being isolated from the rest of the world and i accept that just because i was born in the UK doesn't give me the right to ban others from coming to the country.

Always has been? I don't think so, multi-cultural Britiain has been around for less than 50 years, before that it was extremely rare to see a non-British person living in the UK. My entire family were born in the UK, it's a shame that this country is being sold out to the rest of the world, we USED to be Great..but no longer.

Why is it BNP supporters are generally so ignorant of their own culture?In what sense has multi-cultural Britain has been around for less than 50 years? The British Isles have ALWAYS been multicultural.

The current royal line, the House of Windsor, are German, not British! The Queen's husband, Prince Phillip, is Greek! Previous royalty and royal usurpers were born in the Netherlands, France, Italy; all over Europe.

The British people themselves are an amalgam of Britons, Normans (from France), Celts (from Central Europe), Norse (from Scandinavia), Romans (from Italy) and Anglo-Saxons (from Germany).

Yet somehow, this is all whitewashed (literally). You claim the BNP doesn't discriminate racially, merely against people who were not 'born' in Britain, so why are the 1950s the cutoff point for "being British". Did you know, for example, Chinese communities in Liverpool are older than the WIndsor line being born in Britain?

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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]I take it this BNP is something like the Tea Party over here? Lol. :PAHUGECAT

How is the Tea Party anything like the BNP?

It was a joke. Lol.
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[QUOTE="D_Battery"]With regards to the whole Dutch being in South Africa before the blacks thing, this is somewhat true. The Khoi are actually genetically distinct from most Subsaharan Africans, having lighter skin and most notably the epicanthic eye fold which is also seen amongst East Asians but not the Bantu people who later migrated southward. The term black is fairly ambiguous of course, but I'd think the label would be about as misfitting for the Khoi as it would be for South Asian. Regarding the whole Vancouver thing: Duuuude. I lived in Vancouver, it's a cool place. Truthfully, Punjabi was a far more useful language where I grew up than the French we had to learn in school. Not once in my experience in Vancouver did I feel my wholesome white Canadian values threatened by my Sikh classmates' scaaaaary(!) foreign beliefs. Sure, I've taken issue with the actions of a few members of the Sikh community (revering Indira Gandhi's assassins and the Air India bombers most notably) but on the whole living with people who came from a different culture IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. See, the thing is CULTURES CHANGE, regardless of whether or not there's external population influx. Sure, it might accelerate it, but cultural change is inevitable even without any demographic shift... ...And this of course brings us back to the whole notion of keeping Britain "British". I've got news for you: British today would not be British 50 years ago regardless of whether or not immigration was occurring. When you (MushroomWig) complain about it not being your grandfather's Britain, you know what? It wouldn't be anyway. I'm not going to jump straight to calling anyone whose support for the BNP stems from cultural concerns a racist, but the only other justification I can think of would be this deluded, and as Xaos said earlier, regressivist take on just what culture is.AHUGECAT

Cultures do not change.

Look at Miami - 50 years of Cuban refugees and guess what?

Press 2 for English.

I live in Los Angeles and it's a de facto city of Mexico now.

I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration. If mass immigration is so beneficial why don't third world countries use it to prop up their economies?

if so, then why do you live in Los Angeles, according to your theory, that land belongs to the native americans, you should be back here in Europe , unless you are native american, particulary of whatever tribe which might have inhabited the nearby area. and regarding the previous comment about Czechoslovakia, you say Hitler respected them?, thats probably what Hitler said, the same Hitler who said my people are apes and are trying to take over the world (im in my underground lab plotting lol) , not the most credible source of information
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#647 Danm_999
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>I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration.AHUGECAT
So you disagree with the colonization of the Americas by Europeans then?
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#648 Fuzzy_Bear123
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>I am not against immigration or "multiculturalism," what I am against is changing demographics and mass immigration.AHUGECAT

Your posts on this thread (and many other threads discussing similar subjects) seem to imply exactly the opposite.

In fact in this thread you have accused a person of "taking advantage" of the country he lives in by benefiting from some policies (which should and in fact do benfit everyone).

Edits: Grammar mistake and formatting issues.

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#649 fenwickhotmail
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This is the people you want to elect: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8663681.stm
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#650 Famiking
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I don't understand White nationalists :? Yes - I can definitely understand why you would want to be the majority (preferably 90%+) in your country. But deporting and treating immigrants like second-class citizens is inhumane. No supposedly homogenous country, which White Nationalists look up to, practice evil like that. All I can say is that they (white nationalists) are sick in the head, to say the least.