[QUOTE="PannicAtack/QUOTE] Actually, that's another thing. The notion that if it wasn't for that pesky religion, we'd all move to a new enlightened utopia, with no prejudice or oppression, nothing holding back science, blah blah blah. That's a fallacy. You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Of course not.wigan_gamer
Which is the problem facing the England. yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Of course not.wigan_gamer
Which is the problem facing the England. yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
I use logic and I'm a Christian. So your statement is false. I don't expect that everyone believes as I do nor do I try to force others to follow what I believe. I am not at all for allowing specific religious groups to change a culture to their views. Europe is having a problem now with immigration trying to change the culture of the country they immigrate into. I believe an immigrant adapts to the country not the reverse. But they should be free to practice their faith.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which is the problem facing the England.clyde46
yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country.Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which is the problem facing the England.clyde46
yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country. this is an irrational fear. How many extremist muslims are members of parliament? Zero.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which is the problem facing the England.LJS9502_basic
yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
I use logic and I'm a Christian. So your statement is false. I don't expect that everyone believes as I do nor do I try to force others to follow what I believe. I am not at all for allowing specific religious groups to change a culture to their views. Europe is having a problem now with immigration trying to change the culture of the country they immigrate into. I believe an immigrant adapts to the country not the reverse. But they should be free to practice their faith. I agree. Muslims in this country have been trying to push Sharia Law into the British court system. I refuse to be judged by Shaira Law.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"] yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
clyde46
I use logic and I'm a Christian. So your statement is false. I don't expect that everyone believes as I do nor do I try to force others to follow what I believe. I am not at all for allowing specific religious groups to change a culture to their views. Europe is having a problem now with immigration trying to change the culture of the country they immigrate into. I believe an immigrant adapts to the country not the reverse. But they should be free to practice their faith. I agree. Muslims in this country have been trying to push Sharia Law into the British court system. I refuse to be judged by Shaira Law.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"] yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
weezyfb
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country. this is an irrational fear. How many extremist muslims are members of parliament? Zero. None but they have been trying to push into the system.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"] yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
jimmyjammer69
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country.Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too. We are a christian country, of course Christianity is going to be entrenched in our law system.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I use logic and I'm a Christian. So your statement is false. I don't expect that everyone believes as I do nor do I try to force others to follow what I believe. I am not at all for allowing specific religious groups to change a culture to their views. Europe is having a problem now with immigration trying to change the culture of the country they immigrate into. I believe an immigrant adapts to the country not the reverse. But they should be free to practice their faith.jimmyjammer69
I agree. Muslims in this country have been trying to push Sharia Law into the British court system. I refuse to be judged by Shaira Law.
You won't be because you're not a muslim.
it shouldn't exist in the British system even for Muslims. They emigrated and are now under British law.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"] yes it is hypocritical, but atheists are correct. Religion is wrong. You might not agree, even if you don't, religion causes so many problems and has caused so many deaths, it should be destroyed.
I think we will start to see specific laws the muslim immigrants who move here have in their own countries. I do not want to be ruled by such laws. I would be fine with religion if they stopped trying to get people to live by their rules. Which is hypocritical again I know, but logic > religion.
jimmyjammer69
Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country.Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too.Which laws?
You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.wigan_gamer
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do.
[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.PannicAtack
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do. This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it?
[QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.PannicAtack
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do. Yeah fundamentalism is not restricted to religious perspectives.
[QUOTE="clyde46"] Sharia law. I refused to accept that in this country.LJS9502_basic
Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too.Which laws?Tax regulations for a start.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.xaos
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do. Yeah fundamentalism is not restricted to religious perspectives.I'm fundamentally sure you are correct.....
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.LJS9502_basic
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do. This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it? Oops.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="wigan_gamer"]You cannot deny religion has hindered our development as a race. IT has done.LJS9502_basic
Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do. This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it? Hell no, this is about the British election.
[QUOTE="clyde46"] I agree. Muslims in this country have been trying to push Sharia Law into the British court system. I refuse to be judged by Shaira Law. LJS9502_basic
You won't be because you're not a muslim.
it shouldn't exist in the British system even for Muslims. They emigrated and are now under British law.Agreed (possibly the first time ever).
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Sharia law is only an adjunct to non-muslim civil law. I agree that it's not something that should really be entrenched in the British legal system at all, but then again, Christianity has been granted some incredible privileges in British law too.
jimmyjammer69
Which laws?Tax regulations for a start. That's rather vague. I'm not sure to what you refer. We're not all from the UK.:P
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Why should I believe that your brand of atheism would be any better for humanity? The way I see it, you're promoting a dogma that is identical to any extreme religious sect that wants to make everyone believe as they do.clyde46
This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it? Hell no, this is about the British election. Allow me to sum it up - The British National Party is exploiting genuine concerns over immigration to promote its racist, xenophobic agenda.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it?PannicAtack
Hell no, this is about the British election. Allow me to sum it up - The British National Party is exploiting genuine concerns over immigration to promote its racist, xenophobic agenda.
That about right? Is the thread over?
They have always been doing that. People are becomming annoyed with the whole immigration business and they big 3 arent touching it because its such a violite subject. The BNP are the only party that are standing for the white british voter or so they say.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] This isn't going to turn into a religion vs atheism thread is it?PannicAtack
Hell no, this is about the British election. Allow me to sum it up - The British National Party is exploiting genuine concerns over immigration to promote its racist, xenophobic agenda.
That about right? Is the thread over?
The BNP will get nowhere if the other parties address the concerns of the citizenship. If they do not....then it will swing to the other extreme. Question is.....are the parties smart enough to realize they can't keep pushing against the wishes of the people?
[QUOTE="clyde46"] Hell no, this is about the British election. LJS9502_basic
Allow me to sum it up - The British National Party is exploiting genuine concerns over immigration to promote its racist, xenophobic agenda.
That about right? Is the thread over?
The BNP will get nowhere if the other parties address the concerns of the citizenship. If they do not....then it will swing to the other extreme. Question is.....are the parties smart enough to realize they can't keep pushing against the wishes of the people? Ignoring the people backfired on Thatcher. Big time.
[QUOTE="clyde46"] Hell no, this is about the British election. clyde46
Allow me to sum it up - The British National Party is exploiting genuine concerns over immigration to promote its racist, xenophobic agenda.
That about right? Is the thread over?
They have always been doing that. People are becomming annoyed with the whole immigration business and they big 3 arent touching it because its such a violite subject. The BNP are the only party that are standing for the white british voter or so they say. That sums it up for me. That is why I was tempted to vote for the BNP. I just fear that my children/grand children will be forced to live under those laws in the future if something isn't done. However racism is a much bigger concern to me... so I chose not to vote for them.
Tax regulations for a start. That's rather vague. I'm not sure to what you refer. We're not all from the UK.:PThe church, in spite of its massive income is still afforded charity status for most intents and purposes. I'm no expert on economic law, but even I can see that the ability to receive tax-free gifts has to be a pretty huge advantage. I believe the church also has a completely different method of calculating tax from other institutions, but I can't find any info on that right now... I know it has something to do with taxation at source though.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Tax regulations for a start.jimmyjammer69
That's rather vague. I'm not sure to what you refer. We're not all from the UK.:PThe church, in spite of its massive income is still afforded charity status for most intents and purposes. I'm no expert on economic law, but even I can see that the ability to receive tax-free gifts has to be a pretty huge advantage. I believe the church also has a completely different method of calculating tax from other institutions, but I can't find any info on that right now... I know it has something to do with taxation at source though. Its always been that way, ever since the church was setup.
[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="BlindBluMonstah"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Really? I'm voting for them and I can't wait. :) i agree with dave :) lib dems ftw :D Lol, we both know they have no chance. Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="BlindBluMonstah"] i agree with dave :) lib dems ftw :D Lol, we both know they have no chance. Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens. Of course, however the BNP will keep on gaining support from the public unless the problem of immagration is sorted once and for all, which we both know will never happen.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Tax regulations for a start.jimmyjammer69
That's rather vague. I'm not sure to what you refer. We're not all from the UK.:PThe church, in spite of its massive income is still afforded charity status for most intents and purposes. I'm no expert on economic law, but even I can see that the ability to receive tax-free gifts has to be a pretty huge advantage. I believe the church also has a completely different method of calculating tax from other institutions, but I can't find any info on that right now... I know it has something to do with taxation at source though.We have tax exempt status for religious institutes as well....but that is not ONLY for Christian. Are you sure your law is only specific to one? We also have it for medical. While UPMC buys up all the prime real estate tax free. On the other hand, some things are necessary to the population and should have some benefit to being there.
[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Lol, we both know they have no chance. Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens. Of course, however the BNP will keep on gaining support from the public unless the problem of immagration is sorted once and for all, which we both know will never happen. True that, true that.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="BlindBluMonstah"] i agree with dave :) lib dems ftw :D Lol, we both know they have no chance. Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens. Won't that exasperate the problem?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Lol, we both know they have no chance. Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens. Won't that exasperate the problem? What? If anything thats a good thing if the Lib Dems get more seats.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Well the BNP dont thats for sure. The Lib Dems are going to get more seats this year reguardless of what happens. Won't that exasperate the problem? What? If anything thats a good thing if the Lib Dems get more seats.Would they not be more lenient toward immigration than other parties? They seem to be here in the states anyway. I must confess to not studying enough about your parties. I do like the fact that you have more than 2. If only we'd emulate that here.:(
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's rather vague. I'm not sure to what you refer. We're not all from the UK.:P
clyde46
The church, in spite of its massive income is still afforded charity status for most intents and purposes. I'm no expert on economic law, but even I can see that the ability to receive tax-free gifts has to be a pretty huge advantage. I believe the church also has a completely different method of calculating tax from other institutions, but I can't find any info on that right now... I know it has something to do with taxation at source though. Its always been that way, ever since the church was setup.
Progress is all about moving forward from medieval times not embracing them.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]The church, in spite of its massive income is still afforded charity status for most intents and purposes. I'm no expert on economic law, but even I can see that the ability to receive tax-free gifts has to be a pretty huge advantage. I believe the church also has a completely different method of calculating tax from other institutions, but I can't find any info on that right now... I know it has something to do with taxation at source though.jimmyjammer69
Its always been that way, ever since the church was setup.
Progress is all about moving forward from medieval times not embracing them.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Won't that exasperate the problem? What? If anything thats a good thing if the Lib Dems get more seats.Would they not be more lenient toward immigration than other parties? They seem to be here in the states anyway. I must confess to not studying enough about your parties. I do like the fact that you have more than 2. If only we'd emulate that here.:( Its rather nice that your taking an interest in UK politics :P With the current public opinion on immigration, no party can afford to be soft on it.
Progress is all about moving forward from medieval times not embracing them.
clyde46
Is your church not a government entity? Nope.Cut the ties then? Well I asked jimmy and he didn't answer so I'll ask you. Does the tax benefits extend to all churches and not just specific churches? We allow all churches a tax benefit in the states.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="clyde46"] What? If anything thats a good thing if the Lib Dems get more seats.Would they not be more lenient toward immigration than other parties? They seem to be here in the states anyway. I must confess to not studying enough about your parties. I do like the fact that you have more than 2. If only we'd emulate that here.:( Its rather nice that your taking an interest in UK politics :P With the current public opinion on immigration, no party can afford to be soft on it.I'm also surprised. It's nice and all... if only we had a British law expert like MG90 here to chip in too.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Would they not be more lenient toward immigration than other parties? They seem to be here in the states anyway. I must confess to not studying enough about your parties. I do like the fact that you have more than 2. If only we'd emulate that here.:(jimmyjammer69
Its rather nice that your taking an interest in UK politics :P With the current public opinion on immigration, no party can afford to be soft on it.I'm also surprised. It's nice and all... if only we had a British law expert like MG90 here to chip in too.Why are you guys surprised? I find other cultures fascinating. I'd love to be independently wealthy to experience some.....
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Is your church not a government entity?LJS9502_basic
Nope.Cut the ties then? Well I asked jimmy and he didn't answer so I'll ask you. Does the tax benefits extend to all churches and not just specific churches? We allow all churches a tax benefit in the states. I would imagine since the Church is considered a charity, I would think that other religions groups get tax breaks as they would also be considered charities.
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Is your church not a government entity?LJS9502_basic
Nope.Cut the ties then? Well I asked jimmy and he didn't answer so I'll ask you. Does the tax benefits extend to all churches and not just specific churches? We allow all churches a tax benefit in the states.I have no idea... why does that matter? I'm suggesting that the church shouldn't receive special tax privileges... any church.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Its rather nice that your taking an interest in UK politics :P With the current public opinion on immigration, no party can afford to be soft on it.I'm also surprised. It's nice and all... if only we had a British law expert like MG90 here to chip in too.Why are you guys surprised? I find other cultures fascinating. I'd love to be independently wealthy to experience some.....Honestly? I'm surprised because I've seen you more active in this thread than most threads concerning US politics... but maybe that's because I don't really spend much time in those threads - who knows.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'm also surprised. It's nice and all... if only we had a British law expert like MG90 here to chip in too.jimmyjammer69
Why are you guys surprised? I find other cultures fascinating. I'd love to be independently wealthy to experience some.....Honestly? I'm surprised because I've seen you more active in this thread than most threads concerning US politics... but maybe that's because I don't really spend much time in those threads - who knows. I would imagine since he *is* American the issues raised in those threads are pretty close to home.
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