British dude slams the idea of a mosque at the WTC

""Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says the whole point of the proposed Muslim center blocks from the World Trade Center is to heal wounds, not open them."Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Primary source. Thank you.SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]""Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says the whole point of the proposed Muslim center blocks from the World Trade Center is to heal wounds, not open them."SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]""Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says the whole point of the proposed Muslim center blocks from the World Trade Center is to heal wounds, not open them."SquatsAreAwesom

It is primarily a mosque as stated by many sources...as opposed to the ONE source...do you not deny the source you posted is probably biased in the Mosques favor?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Pat has this tendency to go sensationalist at times. I think he may be going senile, or rather he's been there for a while.

He brings up some good points, no one should be bending over for any religion, especially in somewhat controversial circumstances such as these.

Well at least he made a video that isn't his typical monthly rant on burqas.

ganon92

No one is bending over for Islam by allowing them to build a community center with a mosque in it on land they own within city zoning laws. It's their constitutional right. No bending involved, no special privledges, they are being given a right every other American and every other religion shares in the US.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]""Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf says the whole point of the proposed Muslim center blocks from the World Trade Center is to heal wounds, not open them."Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

It is primarily a mosque as stated by many sources...as opposed to the ONE source...do you not deny the source you posted is probably biased in the Mosques favor?..

SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="ganon92"]

Pat has this tendency to go sensationalist at times. I think he may be going senile, or rather he's been there for a while.

He brings up some good points, no one should be bending over for any religion, especially in somewhat controversial circumstances such as these.

Well at least he made a video that isn't his typical monthly rant on burqas.

Pixel-Pirate

No one is bending over for Islam by allowing them to build a community center with a mosque in it on land they own within city zoning laws. It's their constitutional right. No bending involved, no special privledges, they are being given a right every other American and every other religion shares in the US.

I was trying to make a general point, probably more related to the UK and what Pat says regularly. But honestly I'm not with the details of this; however from what you say, I have no problem with it.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="ganon92"]

Pat has this tendency to go sensationalist at times. I think he may be going senile, or rather he's been there for a while.

He brings up some good points, no one should be bending over for any religion, especially in somewhat controversial circumstances such as these.

Well at least he made a video that isn't his typical monthly rant on burqas.

ganon92

No one is bending over for Islam by allowing them to build a community center with a mosque in it on land they own within city zoning laws. It's their constitutional right. No bending involved, no special privledges, they are being given a right every other American and every other religion shares in the US.

I was trying to make a general point, probably more related to the UK and what Pat says regularly. But honestly I'm not with the details of this; however from what you say, I have no problem with it.

I liked that video and agree 100% with his views on the community center/mosque and Islam as a religion (not necessarily all the people in that religion).

[QUOTE="CocoMarshmellow"]Why do I care what... "British dude" thinks?kipohippo021

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="CocoMarshmellow"]Why do I care what... "British dude" thinks?snowman6251

[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] what i was thinking. It matters what the new yorkers think. muscleserge

Families have already protested it:

"Human rights advocates, politicians and families of 9/11 victims addressed the crowd. Both Geller and Ortiz-Teissonniere said those family members elicited a powerful, emotional response from the protesters."

""Lower Manhattan should be made into a shrine for the people who died there," said Michael Valentin, a retired city detective who worked at ground zero. "It breaks my heart for the families who have to put up with this. I understand they're [building] it in a respectful way, but it just shouldn't be down there."

"Others such as Barry Zelman said the site's location will be a painful reminder.
"(The 9/11 terrorists) did this in the name of Islam," Zelman said. "It's a sacred ground where these people died, where my brother was murdered, and to be in the shadows of that religion, it's just hypocritical and sacrilegious. "

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/06/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/index.html

If the Muslims do so choose to build mosques in the US they had better be prepared to rebuild em. Cuz lots of people wont be happy with it..00-Riddick-00

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]If the Muslims do so choose to build mosques in the US they had better be prepared to rebuild em. Cuz lots of people wont be happy with it..Pixel-Pirate

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]If the Muslims do so choose to build mosques in the US they had better be prepared to rebuild em. Cuz lots of people wont be happy with it..00-Riddick-00

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I never said it was...I said it was a Mosque and Islamic Center which he clearly states it is. Snipes_2

I don't think I've ever once seen you put up any kind of real debate. Instead you seem to prefer to nitpick over minutia.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]If the Muslims do so choose to build mosques in the US they had better be prepared to rebuild em. Cuz lots of people wont be happy with it..00-Riddick-00

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] He didn't say that, but nice job putting words in his mouth. worlock77

I don't think I've ever once seen you put up any kind of real debate. Instead you seem to prefer to nitpick over minutia.

You did read through this thread before making baseless claims right?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]If the Muslims do so choose to build mosques in the US they had better be prepared to rebuild em. Cuz lots of people wont be happy with it..00-Riddick-00

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

Yeah, there are many Mosques. Like the one these guys attended.

"Men accused of planning to shoot down military planes and explode bombs near New York synagogues"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/21/new-york-terrorist-bomb-plot

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Ummm....there are already mosques in the US. In New York as well.

SquatsAreAwesom

Its because New Yorkers WILL tolerate you and your religion. That being said when almost the entire population of New York sees you building a mosque next to ground zero and lets out a nice big "OI! WTF!" that's a pretty good sign that you're overstepping your boundaries. What they're doing is upsetting a lot of people and its not cool.

I reject the idea that something shouldn't be done because it will upset a lot of people. If we held off on doing things because some people would get upset then we'd never make any progress.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I'm also a New Yorker and I'm against it. As are all of my family and Friends. Snipes_2

Freedom of Religion. It's a Constitutional right and has nothing to do with placating people.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="muscleserge"] I am happy that not everybody is blinded but the stupidity in this. Whenever people speak about say freedom of speech they always argue in a clause that one has to be sensitive as to about its use(ex. muhammad cartoons), well it time that the "religion of peace" come about to some form of this sensitivity.worlock77

Freedom of Religion. It's a Constitutional right and has nothing to do with placating people.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yeah, It never will though. For some reason Americans have in their minds that we need to placate people like this. Snipes_2

Freedom of Religion. It's a Constitutional right and has nothing to do with placating people.

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

Why do they need one building in the first place? Can't they go to a Church?SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Freedom of Religion. It's a Constitutional right and has nothing to do with placating people.

worlock77

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Why do they need one building in the first place? Can't they go to a Church?TheShadowLord07

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] This isn't about if they have the right to do it...No one is arguing that point...muscleserge

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

About 10 years ago the KKK wanted to hold a rally in Skokie, Illinois. Skokie is a town with a large Jewish population. The KKK wanted to hold their rally there, of all places, knowing that it would upset the people there. And guess what? They were allowed to hold their rally because they have a Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Why do they need one building in the first place? Can't they go to a Church?SolidSnake35

elaborate then.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

worlock77

About 10 years ago the KKK wanted to hold a rally in Skokie, Illinois. Skokie is a town with a large Jewish population. The KKK wanted to hold their rally there, of all places, knowing that it would upset the people there. And guess what? They were allowed to hold their rally because they have a Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"] No, its because a certain group of people want to knowingly upset an another group of people. Do you think that the muslim leaders in NYC don't realize what building a mosque there entails, that it will upset the families of victims who died that day. What about when a non-muslim decides to exercise his constitutional right that would upset muslims, what do the muslim start arguing, islamophobia? racism? sensitivity? oppression? I think they shouldn't have suggested it, they are willingly and knowingly upsetting the people who suffered the most. snowman6251

About 10 years ago the KKK wanted to hold a rally in Skokie, Illinois. Skokie is a town with a large Jewish population. The KKK wanted to hold their rally there, of all places, knowing that it would upset the people there. And guess what? They were allowed to hold their rally because they have a Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

How do you know that's what they want to do? Are you psychic? How do you know that they just want to upset the fine people of New York?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Freedom of Religion. It's a Constitutional right and has nothing to do with placating people.

worlock77

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] This isn't about if they have the right to do it...No one is arguing that point...Snipes_2

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

And here is where you begin nitpicking minutia. Sorry, I'm not going to feed you. Good day sir.

[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

About 10 years ago the KKK wanted to hold a rally in Skokie, Illinois. Skokie is a town with a large Jewish population. The KKK wanted to hold their rally there, of all places, knowing that it would upset the people there. And guess what? They were allowed to hold their rally because they have a Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

worlock77

How do you know that's what they want to do? Are you psychic? How do you know that they just want to upset the fine people of New York?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

worlock77

And here is where you begin nitpicking minutia. Sorry, I'm not going to feed you. Good day sir.

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So then what is your argument? That allowing people to exercise their Constitutional rights is placating them?

worlock77

About 10 years ago the KKK wanted to hold a rally in Skokie, Illinois. Skokie is a town with a large Jewish population. The KKK wanted to hold their rally there, of all places, knowing that it would upset the people there. And guess what? They were allowed to hold their rally because they have a Constitutional right to free speech and to peaceably assemble.