Crazy thought i just had...(religion)

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

jking197

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="Velocitas8"][QUOTE="123625"]Two choices.

Either you are the result of intellegence and design (this could mean something guided evolution) I can accept something like that if it happened.

Or some how the we came into existence unguided and are the result various random mutations.

And so what if god is eternal? Its got nothing to do with the subject at hand here.

123625

Indeed it's straying from the topic at hand, but I just find it laughable that someone would think the first option is any more logical and reasonable than the second.

If we're all the result of "Intelligent design," from where does this intelligent being that created us originate? Everything must have a beginning, right? Does God just appear in to existence at one point? Did some other being create him?

Obviously you don't have the answer, nobody does. Just something to think about. And no, I'm not an Atheist.. I used to consider myself a (non-denominational) Christian, actually. Guess I'd be considered Agnostic now.

God has been there forever, He created time and beginning, and is not bounded by them. God is supernatural, I know its very hard to understand and accept, but we arent given all the answers and even if we were, would we understand them...? We dont come close to even fully understanding our own brain, and it is a material we actually have...

I very sorry you are in a possition of unsureness, but I do have an amazing verse for you. God says;

Isa 55:8-9

8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways ," says the LORD.
9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
NKJV

(other Christians are discussing it here: http://isichristianclan.net/ISI/viewtopic.php?t=1425&sid=292154db13e73cdec6a814134b68c5d7)

Oh, so you were there when "god" created the universe? You were there when he created time? Hahah, you do realise god didn't write or dictate the bible?

We don't know if thats how it happened at all. We beleive it happened like that, just like some people beleive the big bang occured, but they werent around, how does it make it fact if it wasnt observed?

It recquires faith.

And god Inspired the bible through the holy spirit.

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

[QUOTE="jking197"]

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

123625

it is true that god created the bible, but ignorant people changed it around and messed it up and thats how it is today. The only holy book left protected is the quran, thats why some verses are a little similar

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

[QUOTE="SonKev"]

God has been there forever, He created time

C_Town_Soul

The definition of god is the creator of everything except himself. Right

Creation is the process of creating something

For every cause there is an effect, thus some amount of time has to go by to accomplish this feat.

In other words, in order to create something, time has always existed.

You cannot create time because time is needed to create something.

Thus, time has always existed.

The mere fact that time has always existed contradicts the definition of god as the creator of everything

Therefore, god does not exist.

Hey man, just because you dont understand or know doesnt mean you can jump to conclusion like that...

You forget one thing, God is supernatural, He doesnt abide by time

[QUOTE="123625"]Well think about it did god create time? a begining can only be within time.

And how is being designed by intellegence laughable? It makes alot more sense than evolution which doesnt even tell us how any of it began.

Velocitas8

These are the supposed arguments from Creationists that I dislike. Explaining away God's existence with "he's always been there" is a cop-out.

And I never called intelligent design "laughable." I said claiming it's more likely than evolutionary theory is laughable. Intelligent design has not a single shred of proof to back it up. In fact, there's mounds of evidence that actually disprove "Young Earth" Creationism/Intelligent Design.

Yet there is no evidence Evolution is Fact either.

No its not a cop out at all. Its simply how i beleive it, like many others do.

If an intellegent designer did not help evolution, we are the result of random mistakes(other words mutation) some how those mutations got passed down.

Yet we have not seen a single positive Mutation and that has been passed onto the off spring.

[QUOTE="jking197"]

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

123625

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

I'm not insulting you, see Christians cannot take any blows to their religion. They can sure dish it out to others, but when they are questioned they can't stand it.

Yes, I would say Evolution is between Theory and Fact, more so fact. It is much more credible than being spawned by incest, it is much more credible than the 1st woman being created by a mans rib. It is basically proven, there is the "Missing Link" but I think they have actually found it.

the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahhishkarnib

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"][QUOTE="123625"]Well think about it did god create time? a begining can only be within time.

And how is being designed by intellegence laughable? It makes alot more sense than evolution which doesnt even tell us how any of it began.

123625

These are the supposed arguments from Creationists that I dislike. Explaining away God's existence with "he's always been there" is a cop-out.

And I never called intelligent design "laughable." I said claiming it's more likely than evolutionary theory is laughable. Intelligent design has not a single shred of proof to back it up. In fact, there's mounds of evidence that actually disprove "Young Earth" Creationism/Intelligent Design.

Yet there is no evidence Evolution is Fact either.

No its not a cop out at all. Its simply how i beleive it, like many others do.

If an intellegent designer did not help evolution, we are the result of random mistakes(other words mutation) some how those mutations got passed down.

Yet we have not seen a single positive Mutation and that has been passed onto the off spring.

Yes there is! There is evidence! Are you blind or just stupid. THERE IS EVIDENCE. There is no evidence to support Adam or Eve or to support Eve being created by Adam's rib.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="SonKev"]

God has been there forever, He created time

SonKev

The definition of god is the creator of everything except himself. Right

Creation is the process of creating something

For every cause there is an effect, thus some amount of time has to go by to accomplish this feat.

In other words, in order to create something, time has always existed.

You cannot create time because time is needed to create something.

Thus, time has always existed.

The mere fact that time has always existed contradicts the definition of god as the creator of everything

Therefore, god does not exist.

Hey man, just because you dont understand or know doesnt mean you can jump to conclusion like that...

You forget one thing, God is supernatural, He doesnt abide by time

i'm going to bed. I'll catch up to this thread later.

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

The Bible has not been changed. Only wrongly understood, thus creating a few versions of it.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"]

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

jking197

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

I'm not insulting you, see Christians cannot take any blows to their religion. They can sure dish it out to others, but when they are questioned they can't stand it.

Yes, I would say Evolution is between Theory and Fact, more so fact. It is much more credible than being spawned by incest, it is much more credible than the 1st woman being created by a mans rib. It is basically proven, there is the "Missing Link" but I think they have actually found it.

the Incest thing you don't understand. Humans would of been much closer to perfection back then meaning it would not of been a problem. and do you really think god would make it so that incest would be forever? No it was only for a certain time up untill moses.

And Evolution Is not Fact as it has NOT BEEN OBSERVED, we have never seen an ape give birth to human like ape thingy. Accept the Evolution is not fact and move on.

All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

123625

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"]

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

123625

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

I'm not insulting you, see Christians cannot take any blows to their religion. They can sure dish it out to others, but when they are questioned they can't stand it.

Yes, I would say Evolution is between Theory and Fact, more so fact. It is much more credible than being spawned by incest, it is much more credible than the 1st woman being created by a mans rib. It is basically proven, there is the "Missing Link" but I think they have actually found it.

the Incest thing you don't understand. Humans would of been much closer to perfection back then meaning it would not of been a problem. and do you really think god would make it so that incest would be forever? No it was only for a certain time up untill moses.

And Evolution Is not Fact as it has NOT BEEN OBSERVED, we have never seen an ape give birth to human like ape thingy. Accept the Evolution is not fact and move on.

I dont think you comprehend that evolution takes time, small tiny changes over time, we are evolving as we speak, for example, my dentist was saying people like him and me were evolving to lose some of our inscisor teeth because we didnt need them,

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"]

It's much, much more credible than being spawned by incest. It's much more credible than a women being created by a man's rib. It's more credible than a 2000 year old book, translated, edited and revised to make it seem less violent.

123625

You made no effort to answer my question at all. you're just insulting my beleifs saying they are rediculous. Ill ask again

Is Evolution Scientific theory

Or scientific fact?

And hey you can beleive that life some how came as result of a rock, but hey that means you have more faith than i do, im afraid.

I'm not insulting you, see Christians cannot take any blows to their religion. They can sure dish it out to others, but when they are questioned they can't stand it.

Yes, I would say Evolution is between Theory and Fact, more so fact. It is much more credible than being spawned by incest, it is much more credible than the 1st woman being created by a mans rib. It is basically proven, there is the "Missing Link" but I think they have actually found it.

the Incest thing you don't understand. Humans would of been much closer to perfection back then meaning it would not of been a problem. and do you really think god would make it so that incest would be forever? No it was only for a certain time up untill moses.

And Evolution Is not Fact as it has NOT BEEN OBSERVED, we have never seen an ape give birth to human like ape thingy. Accept the Evolution is not fact and move on.

Because we weren't around then. We have proof such as bones. We can date them thanks to carbon dating.

[QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="SonKev"]

God has been there forever, He created time

C_Town_Soul

The definition of god is the creator of everything except himself. Right

Creation is the process of creating something

For every cause there is an effect, thus some amount of time has to go by to accomplish this feat.

In other words, in order to create something, time has always existed.

You cannot create time because time is needed to create something.

Thus, time has always existed.

The mere fact that time has always existed contradicts the definition of god as the creator of everything

Therefore, god does not exist.

Hey man, just because you dont understand or know doesnt mean you can jump to conclusion like that...

You forget one thing, God is supernatural, He doesnt abide by time

i'm going to bed. I'll catch up to this thread later.

Were you there to know time already existed? The same question you asked me man... were you there?

No one was...

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahNapster06

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

The Bible has not been changed. Only wrongly understood, thus creating a few versions of it.

No, they have done revisions that get rid of words such as 'blood' and 'violence'. If I can find the link of the latest revisions, i'll put it up.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

SonKev

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

How does it need more faith? We have bones, we have carbon dating, all you have is a 2000 year old book. Eat your heart out.

[QUOTE="Napster06"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

The Bible has not been changed. Only wrongly understood, thus creating a few versions of it.

No, they have done revisions that get rid of words such as 'blood' and 'violence'. If I can find the link of the latest revisions, i'll put it up.

So the only reason you criticise the bible is because it has blood and violence? And if you want the original words go read the greek and hebrew.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="Napster06"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

The Bible has not been changed. Only wrongly understood, thus creating a few versions of it.

No, they have done revisions that get rid of words such as 'blood' and 'violence'. If I can find the link of the latest revisions, i'll put it up.

So the only reason you criticise the bible is because it has blood and violence? And if you want the original words go read the greek and hebrew.

Stop being blind. What I'm saying is those words are purposley taken out to make it seem less violent and more about peace! Understand?

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="Napster06"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

The Bible has not been changed. Only wrongly understood, thus creating a few versions of it.

No, they have done revisions that get rid of words such as 'blood' and 'violence'. If I can find the link of the latest revisions, i'll put it up.

So the only reason you criticise the bible is because it has blood and violence? And if you want the original words go read the greek and hebrew.

Stop being blind. What I'm saying is those words are purposley taken out to make it seem less violent and more about peace! Understand?

And my point was it removed "Blood" and "Violence", not added it.

[QUOTE="SonKev"]

jking197

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

How does it need more faith? We have bones, we have carbon dating, all you have is a 2000 year old book. Eat your heart out.

Of course all forms of dating the earth are 100% realiable?

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="123625"]All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

SonKev

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

Thankyou! I felt as if I were the only Atheist for a second there.

I really need to go to bed now,

Thanks all for being understand and leting us answer questions

Thanks 123625 for the help and knowledge you have

I really hope to see you again some day

God bless you,

Kevin

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="SonKev"]

123625

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

How does it need more faith? We have bones, we have carbon dating, all you have is a 2000 year old book. Eat your heart out.

Of course all forms of dating the earth are 100% realiable?

Dude, are we going to go in circles here? Do you want the exact friggen Second of the Minute of the Day of the Month of the Year. Because the Earth is a few billion years old, the carbon dating must be faulty. I doubt its 5 billion years off. And it's impossible for the world to be only 10,000 years old. Its billions of years old.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="123625"]All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

SonKev

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

Theory

Oh and if evolution hasn't been proven then please by all means examine the evidence and explain why.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="SonKev"]

jking197

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

How does it need more faith? We have bones, we have carbon dating, all you have is a 2000 year old book. Eat your heart out.

Of course all forms of dating the earth are 100% realiable?

Dude, are we going to go in circles here? Do you want the exact friggen Second of the Minute of the Day of the Month of the Year. Because the Earth is a few billion years old, the carbon dating must be faulty. I doubt its 5 billion years off. And it's impossible for the world to be only 10,000 years old. Its billions of years old.

So its a scientific fact that the world is billions of years old?

[QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="123625"]All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

domatron23

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

Theory

Oh and if evolution hasn't been proven then please by all means examine the evidence and explain why.

Because its still called a theory...

Good night

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

[QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="123625"]All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

domatron23

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

Theory

Oh and if evolution hasn't been proven then please by all means examine the evidence and explain why.

Stop trying to tell us Evolution is Fact. It has not been observed therefore by science it cannot be considered Fact!

Evolution is theory.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="SonKev"]

123625

You talk about god like you were actually there. How can you base your life on a 2000 year old book that gets revised so many times to make it seem less violent. I bet you didn't take a leap of faith, you were more than likely brainwashed since birth. That's not faith, nor choice. I can't take a leap of faith because to me it's like believing a fairytale, there's no proof.

Yes, faith does require faith if that what your implying. Evolution requires just as much faith if not more... there is no foundation for evolution

And the 2000 year old book your talk about the Bible, each translation is extremely accurate and close to the next and you can get a less revised version, its just easier for people to understand if you get a different version

How does it need more faith? We have bones, we have carbon dating, all you have is a 2000 year old book. Eat your heart out.

Of course all forms of dating the earth are 100% realiable?

Dude, are we going to go in circles here? Do you want the exact friggen Second of the Minute of the Day of the Month of the Year. Because the Earth is a few billion years old, the carbon dating must be faulty. I doubt its 5 billion years off. And it's impossible for the world to be only 10,000 years old. Its billions of years old.

So its a scientific fact that the world is billions of years old?

Answer my friggen questions, don't give me questions without answering mine. We're going in circles. Yes, it is scientific fact the world is billions of years old. GET OVER IT.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

And how do you know you havent been brainwashed?

Every single one of your arguements could be proven wrong with time.

I really need to go to bed forreal now, Good night

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="123625"]All i here evolutionist say is that "we have evidence!' Ya we do. I even presented you a small fraction of it earlier. Now i will ask you a simple question so simple that even you can answer it.

Science's main princible is to observe fact and find out how it works no? Define fact for me. Is gravity a fact? Because if I felt so inclined I could offer all kinds of supernatural non-falsifiable alternatives for why we tend to stick to the ground.

Is Evolution Fact or scientific theory? It's a scientific theory just like gravity.

Im just saying that evolution has to come up with some form of credible begining, then i might consider accepting it.

A begining defines an end.

123625

Wow man... gravity is a scientific law, man....

ahhh, they really need to offer both creationism and evolutionism in school, so they dont brainwash these little people so they are so hardheaded and dont know and wont accept anything other then what theyve been drilled in the head with in HS and college...

they are told CREATIONISM IS FOR THE WEAK AND STUPID MINDED, evolution is for smart people who are scientific,

wait, they forgot to tell them evolution isnt even proven..

Theory

Oh and if evolution hasn't been proven then please by all means examine the evidence and explain why.

Stop trying to tell us Evolution is Fact. It has not been observed therefore by science it cannot be considered Fact!

Evolution is theory.

Why can't you comprehend that you might be wrong. Does it break your heart that we aren't the descendents of incest? Get a life and become more open to theories/scientific research and please become less gullible.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahjking197

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

No im not being ignorant. By a technical scientific perspective the age of the earth is just theory. As we have not observed the actual age. While a good theory, it still remains theory.

I have not seen Jesus or god, but i beleive in them and have faith in them.

Just like you have faith in Evolution! Despite the fact you have not seen it!

Why can't you comprehend that you might be wrong. Does it break your heart that we aren't the descendents of incest? Get a life and become more open to theories/scientific research and please become less gullible.

jking197

I know i might be wrong, infact i could be in the wrong religion, but i beleive in it, Just as you beleive in the theory of Evolution is Fact! Its Faith. Dont tell me otherwise.

Your arguments make no sense either.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

No im not being ignorant. By a technical scientific perspective the age of the earth is just theory. As we have not observed the actual age. While a good theory, it still remains theory.

I have not seen Jesus or god, but i beleive in them and have faith in them.

Just like you have faith in Evolution! Despite the fact you have not seen it!

AMEN!

Theory - An idea believed to be true by a wide amount of people.SonKev

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allahSonKev

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

And how do you know you havent been brainwashed?

I thought you were an Atheist? I know because I wasn't brought up as an Atheist. I was brought up to be taught to find what appeals to me. I tried Buddhism, Christianity and researched other religions but in the end it all seemed like Baloney. I wasn't brainwashed since birth, so I am happy for that. I, unlike many people, was given the opportunity to find out my own faith, not force-fed it.

Of course all forms of dating the earth are 100% realiable? 123625

No, but radiocarbon dating is accurate enough for us to know the Earth is a hell of a lot older than 10,000 years :|

Yes, it can be factually proven.."it's just theory" doesn't work here.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

No im not being ignorant. By a technical scientific perspective the age of the earth is just theory. As we have not observed the actual age. While a good theory, it still remains theory.

I have not seen Jesus or god, but i beleive in them and have faith in them.

Just like you have faith in Evolution! Despite the fact you have not seen it!

It's not theory, it's proven by carbon!

[QUOTE="jking197"]

Why can't you comprehend that you might be wrong. Does it break your heart that we aren't the descendents of incest? Get a life and become more open to theories/scientific research and please become less gullible.

123625

I know i might be wrong, infact i could be in the wrong religion, but i beleive in it, Just as you beleive in the theory of Evolution is Fact! Its Faith. Dont tell me otherwise.

Your arguments make no sense either.

One example it doesn't make sense, find me one. For every Question I give to you, you ignore it and give me three questions. Its irritating. Go back and answer them properly and find me an instance where i didn't make sense.

[QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="jking197"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="hishkarnib"]the bible was changed by ignorant people in the past, the quran is the only book left protected by allah123625

Do not dare insult my book of god, i have been polite with you.

Lol, Don't take is personally. Like I said you Christians can surely dish it out, but once you are questioned you go ape. It is fact, the bible was not written by god, the bible once said the Earth was created in 12 days, 10,000 years ago (Which is impossible) and It has recently been revised (Again) to seem less violent.

You dont understand when someone say's ignorant things about your beleif. The Bible was inspired by god also, we know he didn't write it. But the holy spirit was within the people who did. How is it impossible for a GOD to create the earth in 7 days? He is go he can do whatever he wants, if he is all powerful!

You're also saying ignorant things about my beliefs, its a two way street. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Its not the 7 days thing, it's the 10,000 year old thing. We have proven the world is a few BILLION years old.

How am i being ignorant? I am using science against science, not my own beleifs. I am taking it extremely well to.

You seem to regard evolution as a fact yet we have never seen it first hand!

How have you proven the world is Billions of years old? No one was around to document it all? so by scientific perspective thats just a theory to.

Arghh stop going in circles! Do you want a friggen repeat? Have you ever seen god or Jesus? That's wat ur asking me about evolution. The Earth is billions of years old, it's proven by light, carbon-dating, dinosaurs, etc. It's not a theory, it's fact. You're being ignorant because you're brainwashed and can't take anything wrong about your religion. It's full of holes.

No im not being ignorant. By a technical scientific perspective the age of the earth is just theory. As we have not observed the actual age. While a good theory, it still remains theory.

I have not seen Jesus or god, but i beleive in them and have faith in them.

Just like you have faith in Evolution! Despite the fact you have not seen it!

Prove god, we can prove the world is 5 billion years old through carbon dating, we can prove evolution through bone structures and carbon dating, we can prove the bible is revised to seem not as violent because of older copies. So give me one peice of scientific evidence that shows me there is a god.