Danish cartoonist attacked at home

and just to add to my claim. do one of you know what a zionist is?grape_of_wrath

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] This is nothing but a romantic take on the matter. There are plenty of videos all over the internet in which our own soldiers are shown taking it personally. Further, there are plenty of cases in which they have also been charged for it. That said, if this is still your stance, do you believe only OUR soldiers share this trait? or all soldiers?SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

Haha, people will claim that it's the Jewish homeland referring to the people, but it hardly makes any difference. It's like saying Hamas isn't an Islamic terrorist group, only a Palestinian one.

Yet you would get laughed at if you say Hamas has nothing to do with Islam. Same for Zionism and Judaism.

grape_of_wrath

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

Haha, people will claim that it's the Jewish homeland referring to the people, but it hardly makes any difference. It's like saying Hamas isn't an Islamic terrorist group, only a Palestinian one.

Yet you would get laughed at if you say Hamas has nothing to do with Islam. Same for Zionism and Judaism.

Famiking

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Have you been a soldier? If not then it's assumption on your part.LJS9502_basic

... do you know what fallacious means?

Your argument has is not logically sound. You are claiming that because I have not been in the Army, then your statement is automatically valid.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] That is a very fallacious argument on your part. Once again, there is video evidence that contradicts your claims all over liveleak.

SquatsAreAwesom

... do you know what fallacious means?

Your argument has is not logically sound. You are claiming that because I have not been in the Army, then your statement is automatically valid.

Hint: And enemy is one that is shooting at them.

islam, the religion of peace.

htekemerald

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

Disturbed123

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

But the reason Hamas carries out its activities is for Palestine, not for Islam. They use Islam as a catalyst for hate towards Israel.

grape_of_wrath

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not fallacious. Being shot at means you shoot back. Thinking otherwise is fallacious.LJS9502_basic

... do you know what fallacious means?

Your argument has is not logically sound. You are claiming that because I have not been in the Army, then your statement is automatically valid.

Hint: And enemy is one that is shooting at them.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] there were millions of warlords , how did only one made such a huge culture ?? think again please .dramaybaz

Because the biggest monsters traditionally build the biggest empires.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

BiancaDK

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

... do you know what fallacious means?

Your argument has is not logically sound. You are claiming that because I have not been in the Army, then your statement is automatically valid.

SquatsAreAwesom

Hint: And enemy is one that is shooting at them.

Wrong.

Oh?

He was a military leader who ordered his warriors to butcher for his cause.

He and the Muslims were being persecuted and killed. What's wrong with them fighting back?

He was a warlord who forced non-muslims to convert or he would have them killed.

There isn't a single verse from the Koran or saying from the Hadith that endorses that.

He was a violent blood thirsty man who killed christians and jews.

...Out of self defense. He was friends with Jews and Christians as well.

He was a misogynist who thought women as slaves.

I'd like to see where you got this from.

He was a paedophile who took a child as a bride - in other words, he was a bad man.

Yes, as we all know, the age of marriage was ALWAYS 18. :roll:

Good-Apollo

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]My argument was that soldiers shoot because they are shot at. It's logically sound. Assuming they sit and debate on political issues while facing enemy fire is fallacious. Which is correctly used in context here dude.;)

Hint: And enemy is one that is shooting at them.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

SquatsAreAwesom

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

Hamas won the election. Fatah (and the West) were being crybabies and attacked Hamas. The war had very little to do with Islam.

Famiking

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] You aren't following the discussion dude. You used an appeal to authority to support your argument. Soldiers are not always under fire, and are not always the first to engage either. There are a number of cases, as I continue to repeat, in which our own soldiers have done things out of vengeance. SquatsAreAwesom

There are offensive pictures of Jesus published a lot, however they never bring about an international reaction like this guy had against him. People should really get over it ...

As you sow so shall you reap (ohh irony)pecanin

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I'm following it. Vengeance would be your assessment. There are other factors at play which you are in no way able to determine.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] When someone yells and guns at cars driving by on the street, I'm pretty sure I can figure it out.SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Are you a psychologist/psychiatrist?

LJS9502_basic

This too was a criminal act, and he is being delt with.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] By that note, we don't know why this Somali guy was killing the Danish cartoonist either. Seeing as we aren't all psychologists!SquatsAreAwesom

This too was a criminal act, and he is being delt with.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]There is a difference between being shot at and deciding you don't like a cartoon. Very big difference. Nonetheless, the dude committed a criminal act. He has to deal with the consequences.LJS9502_basic

This too was a criminal act, and he is being delt with.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] How exactly do you categorize a soldier who was shooting into civilian traffic, calling them racial slurs, a "soldier who is getting shot at?" It's as if you aren't even following our conversation.

This too was a criminal act, and he is being delt with.

SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He lived in a battle zone where his life was in danger. Self explanatory really.:|LJS9502_basic

How exactly do you categorize a soldier who was shooting into civilian traffic, calling them racial slurs, a "soldier who is getting shot at?" It's as if you aren't even following our conversation.

This too was a criminal act, and he is being delt with.

SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] I'm sorry, is that an excuse?SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not a psychologist/psychiatrist. I make no excuses but such things have been known to change the mind of individuals. Are you implying they do not?

LJS9502_basic

It will be a cold day in hell before we abide to the ideals of the ignorant.BiancaDK

Word

Fight the good fight

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

BiancaDK

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

Sorry Bianca

Nobody said anything about how Danish ppl should behave or how they should run their country,ppl here said a lot about rights to publish or freedom of

speech but nothing about the fact that cartoons were ordered and published to equate entire religion with actions of few.You and i could do a lot of things but should we ?

Sorry Bianca

Nobody said anything about how Danish ppl should behave or how they should run their country,ppl here said a lot about rights to publish or freedom ofspeech

pecanin

That statement is almost oxymoronic. I think the actions that were taken against Denmark spoke it´s own little story, don´t you? Refusing to trade goods with our private sector, burning our flags and setting fire to our embassies? A picture will say more than a thousand words.

but nothing about the fact that cartoons were ordered and published to equate entire religion with actions of few.

pecanin

What are you on about with this? Elaborate.

You and i could do a lot of things but should we ?

pecanin

This question is daft to me. That would entirely depend on what it is that we are planning to do in relation to the nature of the incentive we are responding to.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Freedom of Speech my ***. Anyone with half a brain cell would know that picture drawn intentionally to hurt muslims. Theres a difference between freedom of speech and being down right offensive!

pecanin

Yeah, not so much.

I read the article in Jyllands Posten, did you?

He´s drawn numerous charicatures and toons depicting lots of different things, he is in no way excusively "targeting" the muslims. This is all in your head.

In Denmark, we are used to having the liberty to do as we please within reason, the artist did not see this aftermath coming, no one did really.

The reason they got republished in Jyllands Posten, was because Denmark wanted to set the example; that we have a thing called freedom of speech, and we enjoy practicing that right. The republishing had nothing to do with the Prophet, but it had everything to do with our embassies getting torched by instigators trying to threaten us into practicing their ideals regarding how we should run our own country.

Sorry Bianca

Nobody said anything about how Danish ppl should behave or how they should run their country,ppl here said a lot about rights to publish or freedom of

speech but nothing about the fact that cartoons were ordered and published to equate entire religion with actions of few.You and i could do a lot of things but should we ?

this is like waving the red flag in front of the bull.

if muslims find it offensive to have the face of muhammed in pictures then the ONLY reason someone does this who isn't a muslim is to incite a negative response. Then they try and hide behind "free speech" and claim they have a right to do whatever they want.

that is true but you also have to be prepared for the consequences

I could go to up a guy and just start calling him names and abusing him verbally, now I have a right to do that and there's no law that says I can't but should I then complain if I get socked in the mouth?

Normally I'm all too happy to take a shot at islam, but I don't think that this event is indicative of the feelings of many. I understand that there was a big uproar shortly after the cartoon surfaced, but most of those people have moved on with their lives.

this is like waving the red flag in front of the bull.

if muslims find it offensive to have the face of muhammed in pictures then the ONLY reason someone does this who isn't a muslim is to incite a negative response. Then they try and hide behind "free speech" and claim they have a right to do whatever they want.

that is true but you also have to be prepared for the consequences

I could go to up a guy and just start calling him names and abusing him verbally, now I have a right to do that and there's no law that says I can't but should I then complain if I get socked in the mouth?

Deano

The moderate muslims didn´t give a rats ass, until the extremists started putting their spin on it.

Also, i love how you go on to say that his incentive must be malicious, since he is not a muslim (because muslims never criticize their own culture nor religion, right? And subsequently get killed for it?), and that you assume his motives are strictly to incite a negative feedback. In what world does that make sense, in a media platform?

No one is "hiding" behind freedom of speech, but freedom of speech is being utilized for defensive purposes, and with good reason i might add, since a lot of the criticism were both directly and indirectly targeted at it.

The final part of your comment only goes to show a point, if i take all your assumptions for granted, but alas, i do not, since they are all false.

[QUOTE="pecanin"]

That statement is almost oxymoronic. I think the actions that were taken against Denmark spoke it´s own little story, don´t you? Refusing to trade goods with our private sector, burning our flags and setting fire to our embassies? A picture will say more than a thousand words.

[QUOTE="pecanin"]

but nothing about the fact that cartoons were ordered and published to equate entire religion with actions of few.

BiancaDK

What are you on about with this? Elaborate.

You and i could do a lot of things but should we ?

pecanin

This question is daft to me. That would entirely depend on what it is that we are planning to do in relation to the nature of the incentive we are responding to.

OK so if it was all about freedom of speech and satire and all that crap ,why all Danish papers or papers in all Scandinavian/Nordic countries didn't publish these ''innocent'' pictures/sketches .As for trade ,what did you really expect, not all people have same mentality,some are offended by something you and i find amusing others by simple gesture.Thing is that all this(cartoons)coincided with raise of popularity of certain nationalist parties in Denmark,and not only Denmark.

As for what we could do ,well lets take walk down any street in any Danish town and start yelling offensive comments at certain pl,let's start singing some Nazi songs in front of Synagogue ,lets start shouting word N***** in front of some black ppl ,or lets start insulting gays/fat people lets lend public support for pedophiles.List is endless,what i said at the beginning is that we can do a lot of things but question is should we ?Something that you and i find funny other people might take as grave insult and act accordingly.Editor of that paper and cartoonist should have asked themselves that question.;)

[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]why would they mock our prophet ?? why would they make fun of him ?? we love jesus , why wont they at least have no offence against prophet muhammad ?? even un-religouse people would be better than religous ones who mock others . these people make our people look bad , if i were there .......gubrushadow

OK so if it was all about freedom of speech and satire and all that crap ,why all Danish papers or papers in all Scandinavian/Nordic countries didn't publish these ''innocent'' pictures/sketches .As for trade ,what did you really expect, not all people have same mentality,some are offended by something you and i find amusing others by simple gesture.Thing is that all this(cartoons)coincided with raise of popularity of certain nationalist parties in Denmark,and not only Denmark.

As for what we could do ,well lets take walk down any street in any Danish town and start yelling offensive comments at certain pl,let's start singing some Nazi songs in front of Synagogue ,lets start shouting word N***** in front of some black ppl ,or lets start insulting gays/fat people lets lend public support for pedophiles.List is endless,what i said at the beginning is that we can do a lot of things but question is should we ?Something that you and i find funny other people might take as grave insult and act accordingly.Editor of that paper and cartoonist should have asked themselves that question.;)

pecanin

It´s not my job to educate you. You clearly understand very little of what went on, i suggest you read up on it, if you wish to become informed on the matter at hand.

Reading the final segment of your comment, i realize i probably couldn´t find the will to try and educate you on this, anyways. Lack of patience on my part, i guess. G´day.

:D yeah lack of education is what started all this

Also, i love how you go on to say that his incentive must be malicious, since he is not a muslim (because muslims never criticize their own culture nor religion, right? And subsequently get killed for it?), and that you assume his motives are strictly to incite a negative feedback. In what world does that make sense, in a media platform?

BiancaDK

tell me then

for what reason other than to specifically offend muslims would a non-muslim draw the face of mohammed in a cartoon with a bomb on his head.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

Also, i love how you go on to say that his incentive must be malicious, since he is not a muslim (because muslims never criticize their own culture nor religion, right? And subsequently get killed for it?), and that you assume his motives are strictly to incite a negative feedback. In what world does that make sense, in a media platform?

Deano

tell me then

for what reason other than to specifically offend muslims would a non-muslim draw the face of mohammed in a cartoon with a bomb on his head.

to raise awareness on the flux of how muslims and their systems of faith are by concious and/or subconcious connotations being percieved in modern society (either by media or political populism), as terrorism grows to a continued rise in the new millenia. It´s to spark thought on a controversial matter that was relevant when the toons were drawed, and relevant today.

Now, was that really that hard to see? ...

[QUOTE="Deano"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

Also, i love how you go on to say that his incentive must be malicious, since he is not a muslim (because muslims never criticize their own culture nor religion, right? And subsequently get killed for it?), and that you assume his motives are strictly to incite a negative feedback. In what world does that make sense, in a media platform?

BiancaDK

tell me then

for what reason other than to specifically offend muslims would a non-muslim draw the face of mohammed in a cartoon with a bomb on his head.

to raise awareness on the flux of how muslims and their systems of faith are by concious and/or subconcious connotations being percieved in modern society (either by media or political populism), as terrorism grows to a continued rise in the new millenia. It´s to spark thought on a controversial matter that was relevant when the toons were drawed, and relevant today.

Now, was that really that hard to see? ...

Toons(as you put showed to entire muslim world how they are perceived

no other discussion/seminar or religious debate was necessary after that

Toons(as you put showed to entire muslim world how they are perceived. no other discussion/seminar or religious debate was necessary after thatpecanin

Whatever point you´re trying to get across, i literally cannot deduce it from your comment. o_0 What seminars? What religious debates? Who deemed what necessary? Who showed the drawings to the muslim world? The fundies did, it´s not like we send a copy of it to al jazeera. If things get misconstrued in that transaktion, how is it our fault? Are you even blaming us? I wish i knew your angle, it would make addressing your points a lot easier.

What a lunatic. He should consider himself lucky the cops didn't shoot him in the face. If he was in the US he'd certainly have been perforated with bullet holes.