Death Penalty, For or Against

bring back the firing squad i say, its faster and cheaper:twisted:

mlbslugger86

The expense of the death penalty does not stem from the method of execution itself.

I am not morally opposed to Capital Punishment, as there are certainly some people in the world who do not deserve to live.

However, I know that the Justice System is imperfect, and if there is any chance at all that an innocent person could be executed, I have to be in favor of Life Imprisonment over Capital Punishment.

At least with Life Imprisonment there is a chance that sometime in the future a wrongfully convicted prisoner could go free.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

A life sentence and opinions from many experts added to the fact that the person admitted having done many mind-blowing crimes and hard evidence are the requirements. Can it be done? I believe it can. Would it be done the right way? You are starting to make me doubt about it.

No question changes should be made, and they should be made right now.

Guybrush_3

I appreciate your idealism, but I don't think it's practical. The judicial system will never be perfect because people aren't perfect. If it were possible for people to be perfect in their judgement I would definitely agree with you.

That's a big part of the problem. The jury alone shouldn't be left alone to decide, there should be more regulations that restrain these juries from wrongfully convict people.

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[QUOTE="bloodling"]

A life sentence and opinions from many experts added to the fact that the person admitted having done many mind-blowing crimes and hard evidence are the requirements. Can it be done? I believe it can. Would it be done the right way? You are starting to make me doubt about it.

No question changes should be made, and they should be made right now.

bloodling

I appreciate your idealism, but I don't think it's practical. The judicial system will never be perfect because people aren't perfect. If it were possible for people to be perfect in their judgement I would definitely agree with you.

That's a big part of the problem. The jury alone shouldn't be left alone to decide, there should be more regulations that restrain these juries from wrongfully convict people.

What would you propose?

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

That's a big part of the problem. The jury alone shouldn't be left alone to decide, there should be more regulations that restrain these juries from wrongfully convict people.

worlock77

What would you propose?

First of all, laws that do not allow death sentences if certain criterias are not met, criterias that are much tighter. These criterias should be filled by experts, each of them having to answer to these criterias without any possible doubt. Then, set up some kind of agency responsible for bizzare verdicts looking for flaws in these judgements. Then, important clarifications should be made in the justice system so that there is no room for second-guesses, especially for major crimes.

To me, it fails every possible function of the judiciary system.

Obviously, it doesn't rehabilitate the prisoner. Nor does it seem to be a very effective deterrent against violent crime, for example Texas, the state which has the highest rate of executions, the homicide rate is still above average. The correlation between a state having a death penalty, and the homicide rate, seems incidental.

In addition, it isn't cost effective as leaving someone in prison for life, as the appeals process costs more to the taxpayer in the end.

The only possible function it can serve is to deliver vengeance. Even then, I'm skeptical how well it does this; many people may consider spending the rest of a criminal's life in prison to be a far worse fate.

To me, it fails every possible function of the judiciary system.

Obviously, it doesn't rehabilitate the prisoner. Nor does it seem to be a very effective deterrent against violent crime, for example Texas, the state which has the highest rate of executions, the homicide rate is still above average. The correlation between a state having a death penalty, and the homicide rate, seems incidental.

In addition, it isn't cost effective as leaving someone in prison for life, as the appeals process costs more to the taxpayer in the end.

The only possible function it can serve is to deliver vengeance. Even then, I'm skeptical how well it does this; many people may consider spending the rest of a criminal's life in prison to be a far worse fate.

Danm_999

These people are beyond rehabilitation. It does the same thing prison does, which is get rid of them. I don't see capital punishment as something the justice system gives, it's something that's being taken away from these people, their lives. Do these people deserve to live? That's where opinions are so different.

These people are beyond rehabilitation.bloodling

It does the same thing prison does, which is get rid of them. bloodling

I don't see capital punishment as something the justice system gives, it's something that's being taken away from these people, their lives. Do these people deserve to live? That's where opinions are so different.

bloodling

What often interests me is that many conservatives who agree with the death penalty (obviously not all do, and obviously there are Liberals agree with the death penalty too), are often against big government, or government intrusion into their lives and how their society should function (examples include taxes, gun ownership, even seatbelts).

However, when it comes to the very signficant issue of whether the state has the right to decide whether someone can be executed, generally opposition comes from the opposite end of the political spectrum.

However, when it comes to the very signficant issue of whether the state has the right to decide whether someone can be executed, generally opposition comes from the opposite end of the political spectrum.

Danm_999

Yeah, personally I don't mind. I don't mind not having it either. The dead people who were killed by them don't mind either.

I do care about the mistakes that were made.

Howis an eye for an eye making the whole world blind? Its not if only the criminals are blind

Howis an eye for an eye making the whole world blind? Its not if only the criminals are blind

breakinglaws

Howis an eye for an eye making the whole world blind? Its not if only the criminals are blind

breakinglaws

Against.

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So are you for it or against it. Im all for it, there are some sick people in this world you shouldnt be alive (Im sorry but its true) so I feel if they killed someone they should die too, you know an eye for an eye type thing!!!!!

Zyrokin

No one deserves to die, even if they have killed. Tit for tat is a juvenile and ignorant outlook. The focus should be on reform, not extermination.

Against. Being forced to live out your whole life trapped in a cage is a far worse prospect than the easy way out in my opinion.

No one deserves to die, even if they have killed. Tit for tat is a juvenile and ignorant outlook. The focus should be on reform, not extermination.

Arsephixiation

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

No one deserves to die, even if they have killed. Tit for tat is a juvenile and ignorant outlook. The focus should be on reform, not extermination.

needled24-7

In some cases, they may never be suitable for re-integration with society, but extermination is a cop out to save on tax dollars and an immature method of achieving "closure".

For. there are some who just don't need to existdarkspineslayer

What if someone or some society decided that you shouldn't exist, because of something you did or for what you represent? Would you not expect to be allowed to live, even if some of your liberties were taken away to ensure your harmonious existence with the general populace?

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]For. there are some who just don't need to existArsephixiation

What if someone or some society decided that you shouldn't exist, because of something you did or for what you represent? Would you not expect to be allowed to live, even if some of your liberties were taken away to ensure your harmonious existence with the general populace?

Prison for life isn't wonderland.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]For. there are some who just don't need to existbloodling

What if someone or some society decided that you shouldn't exist, because of something you did or for what you represent? Would you not expect to be allowed to live, even if some of your liberties were taken away to ensure your harmonious existence with the general populace?

Prison for life isn't wonderland.

Life imprisonment in America is not reform, it is simply a delayed death penalty. That is a cop out in itself. I am talking about active reform programs, with isolation from society a necessary condition in the interim, just like rehab for drug users and alcoholics. Surely this would be a better way to spend tax money than simply locking people up, exposing them to hellish "inmate society", and expecting time passing to somehow be productive or beneficial.

Life imprisonment in America is not reform, it is simply a delayed death penalty. That is a cop out in itself. I am talking about active reform programs, with isolation from society a necessary condition in the interim, just like rehab for drug users and alcoholics. Surely this would be a better way to spend tax money than simply locking people up, exposing them to hellish "inmate society", and expecting time passing to somehow be productive or beneficial.

Arsephixiation

But this topic is about death penalty instead of a life sentence, not reform. I don't want them to contribute to society, I want no more trouble from them.

[QUOTE="Arsephixiation"]

Life imprisonment in America is not reform, it is simply a delayed death penalty. That is a cop out in itself. I am talking about active reform programs, with isolation from society a necessary condition in the interim, just like rehab for drug users and alcoholics. Surely this would be a better way to spend tax money than simply locking people up, exposing them to hellish "inmate society", and expecting time passing to somehow be productive or beneficial.

bloodling

But this topic is about death penalty instead of a life sentence, not reform. I don't want them to contribute to society, I want no more trouble from them.

Many on a life sentence are due for execution eventually, once all the legal work and bureaucracy has taken it's course. The bottom line is, you are being naively judgmental, and irresponsible and selfish for wishing the problem to go away by means of extermination.

Against. It's too kind of a sentence. Replace sentences worthy of a death penalty with life without parole.

I don't believe in killing no matter the reason.

Many on a life sentence are due for execution eventually, once all the legal work and bureaucracy has taken it's course. The bottom line is, you are being naively judgmental, and irresponsible and selfish for wishing the problem to go away by means of extermination.

Arsephixiation

What problem? Once they're locked up for good or dead, I have no problem. I don't see how I am irresponsible and selfish.

For. Kill the killers and child rapists. I don't care about deterrent, it make me and society feel better. It is justice. It is giving what people deserve. If you cut someone elses life short, all the years they have left to live, all the people they have left to love and be loved by, than you yourself no longer deserve to experince those things.

If you cut someone elses life short, all the years they have left to live, all the people they have left to love and be loved by, than you yourself no longer deserve to experince those things.

herpderp9000

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] If you cut someone elses life short, all the years they have left to live, all the people they have left to love and be loved by, than you yourself no longer deserve to experince those things.

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] If you cut someone elses life short, all the years they have left to live, all the people they have left to love and be loved by, than you yourself no longer deserve to experince those things.

I say let them choose, either rot in jail for your entire life with the rest of the sausages, or hit the crapper now. Either way they're not getting out of jail.

Against. There are better forms of punishment. optiow

For it.

For. Get them to hell faster.

How can people be for killing unborn babies but oppose the death penalty for people that have committed horrednous crimes?

Completely against... but only in situations where the resources exist to keep a criminal in jail for life. When the resources don't exist, then it is far safer to execute criminals than to let them free. I'm all about giving people second chances, and coming to the point where most violent behaviour can be centered in mental illness... but sometimes it is just safer for the rest of the public to have a criminal executed. It makes us horrible people, but it is sometimes ultimately necessary to ensure the safety of others.

However, in most Western countries, this is never the case, so I don't know why we even practice it anymore.

Combine the death penalty with any appropiate level of due process and it's going to cost more than life imprisonment... and you'll still be killing innocent people. There's no real evidence that it actually works, either, meaning you're martyring innocents for just about no reason at all. It's basically justified on the basis of an idealogy, and does not in any way work to further the practical purpose of the judicial system, which is to protect society and, if possible, help improve its ability function.

And I don't give a damn how "severe" the crime is - even if you're looking at a dude who managed to sadistically rape, torture and murder a million people, sticking a needle full of chemical death into his bloodstream isn't actually going to fix anything. Regardless of whether or not you or I think he "deserves" it. But on that subject, I wonder if anyone here thinks that innocents deserve to die so that overly emotional and judgmental people can inflict pointless and ineffective retributions on the guilty and use taxpayer money in the process.

How can people be for killing unborn babies but oppose the death penalty for people that have committed horrednous crimes?

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