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#301 Neon_Blaster
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Against. People should not fight inhumanity with inhumanity imo.

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#302 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] ...it's not so great a claim. The vast majority of inhabitants in the STL metro area are black. It's 90%+ African American. Like 4% white.Engrish_Major
St. Louis is about half white, half black...

I am talking about the METRO area. Not the outerlying counties.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] ...it's not so great a claim. The vast majority of inhabitants in the STL metro area are black. It's 90%+ African American. Like 4% white.herpderp9000
St. Louis is about half white, half black...

I am talking about the METRO area. Not the outerlying counties.

I am too.

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#304 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

THATS great and dandy, but yet again no proof on the claim that no white people were murdered in a major city.. This is a absurd claim if I have ever seen one.

...it's not so great a claim. The vast majority of inhabitants in the STL metro area are black. It's 90%+ African American. Like 4% white.

http://www.stlrcga.org/x1832.xmlaccording to this whites make up near 80% of the population, and blacks a mere 18%..

All those are outerlying counties where almost 0 murders take place, they are 80%+ white as you said. The CITY of St.Louis, however, NOT the St.Louis COUNTY is mostly overwhelmingly black and where all the murders take place.
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#305 Engrish_Major
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All those are outerlying counties where almost 0 murders take place, they are 80%+ white as you said. The CITY of St.Louis, however, NOT the St.Louis COUNTY is mostly overwhelmingly black and where all the murders take place.herpderp9000
No. Within the city limits is about evenly split between white and black.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] ...it's not so great a claim. The vast majority of inhabitants in the STL metro area are black. It's 90%+ African American. Like 4% white.herpderp9000

http://www.stlrcga.org/x1832.xmlaccording to this whites make up near 80% of the population, and blacks a mere 18%..

All those are outerlying counties where almost 0 murders take place, they are 80%+ white as you said. The CITY of St.Louis, however, NOT the St.Louis COUNTY is mostly overwhelmingly black and where all the murders take place.

Uhh that specific population is not the county but the metro... Good try though, but if you actually read it.. You would see it mentions that with in the first few sentences.

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#307 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]St. Louis is about half white, half black...Engrish_Major

I am talking about the METRO area. Not the outerlying counties.

I am too.

Then I really have no idea what you are talking about. St.Louis city is overwhelmingly black. Do you live there? Then you know that right when you get to Clayton, U City, St. Louis County, St. Charles county, ect, the population turns white.
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Then I really have no idea what you are talking about. St.Louis city is overwhelmingly black. Do you live there? Then you know that right when you get to Clayton, U City, St. Louis County, St. Charles county, ect, the population turns white. herpderp9000

City population - 354 thousand
Black population - 172 thousand, 48%
White population - 165 thousand, 46%

According to the Census Bureau

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#309 herpderp9000
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

http://www.stlrcga.org/x1832.xmlaccording to this whites make up near 80% of the population, and blacks a mere 18%..

All those are outerlying counties where almost 0 murders take place, they are 80%+ white as you said. The CITY of St.Louis, however, NOT the St.Louis COUNTY is mostly overwhelmingly black and where all the murders take place.

Uhh that specific population is not the county but the metro... Good try though

Um..... Franklin County Jefferson County Lincoln County St. Charles County St. Louis County Warren County Washington County Those are all mainly white counties, out side the city of St.Louis. St.Louis city, with the population of 356,587 is the black part. I live there. I'm done arguning this. Your source has proved my point.
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I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely.
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I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely. Stevo_the_gamer
A cheap bullet to the head isn't very likely to cause much suffering, though it would be cheap...
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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Then I really have no idea what you are talking about. St.Louis city is overwhelmingly black. Do you live there? Then you know that right when you get to Clayton, U City, St. Louis County, St. Charles county, ect, the population turns white. Engrish_Major

City population - 354 thousand
Black population - 172 thousand, 48%
White population - 165 thousand, 46%

According to the Census Bureau

Hey look

That's the best I can explain it. The census people are nuts if they think the city has that many white people. They must all be hiding.

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#313 Engrish_Major
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I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely. Stevo_the_gamer
FYI - it's not the actual execution that is the expensive part. It's the trial - you know, all that due process crap that we were guaranteed by our forefathers.
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#314 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="herpderp9000"]

That's the best I can explain it. The census people are nuts if they think the city has that many white people. They must all be hiding.

Okay. I guess I'll just take your word over the official government numbers.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] FYI - it's not the actual execution that is the expensive part. It's the trial - you know, all that due process crap that we were guaranteed by our forefathers.

I'm well aware of the appeals process and how long it takes. I live in California, I'm well aware how pathetically slowly this process goes.
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#316 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely. Stevo_the_gamer
Few things! I 110%? II Surely the court costs coming with appeals and trials are at least comparable. III Should? According to who? IV A bullet to the head is suffering?
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#317 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely. Ace6301
A cheap bullet to the head isn't very likely to cause much suffering, though it would be cheap...

That's because any idea that I can come with that would be suffering would violate the 8th Amendment.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I'm for it 110%. Nothing worse than having a god damn serial killer locked up for 40+ years, at the cost of 40K (or more) a year. He or she should suffer for the actions that they commit; a cheap bullet to the head would do the trick nicely. Stevo_the_gamer
A cheap bullet to the head isn't very likely to cause much suffering, though it would be cheap...

That's because any idea that I can come with that would be suffering would violate the 8th Amendment.

Those pesky amendments!
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#319 Engrish_Major
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IV A bullet to the head is suffering?TELLMEYOURLIFE
Maybe if it's a really cheap bullet or something. If it isn't that sharp, and is all rusty or something. And maybe they can dip it in orange juice before shooting him, so that the citrus stings the wound a little.
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Few things!

I 110%? II Surely the court costs coming with appeals and trials are at least comparable. III Should? According to who? IV A bullet to the head is suffering?TELLMEYOURLIFE

  1. Yes.
  2. It's a slow process, and an expensive one. But the costs are worth it in my eyes.
  3. According to me.
  4. The moments before you know a bullet is coming would create more stress than anyone could ever imagine. But my ideas of suffering would conflict with the 8th amendment, sadly.
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#321 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Those pesky amendments!TELLMEYOURLIFE
Aye, they sure do ruin a lot of evil plans.
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Few things!

I 110%? II Surely the court costs coming with appeals and trials are at least comparable. III Should? According to who? IV A bullet to the head is suffering?Stevo_the_gamer

Yes.It's a slow process, and an expensive one. But the costs are worth it in my eyes.According to me.The moments before you know a bullet is coming would create more stress than anyone could ever imagine. But my ideas of suffering would conflict with the 8th amendment, sadly.

A Oh. B Ah. C I see. D Possibly but spending years in prison does not compare to a quick shot to the head. Also, this sadistic side of yours is kind of intriguing.
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A Oh. B Ah. C I see. D Possibly but spending years in prison does not compare to a quick shot to the head. Also, this sadistic side of yours is kind of intriguing.TELLMEYOURLIFE

D.

I hold no sympathy for those who commit murder or other dispicable acts against humanity. When someone holds no respect for anothers right to life, then his right to life should be forfeited by "harsh" measures.

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When someone holds no respect for anothers right to life, then his right to life should be forfeited by "harsh" measures.Stevo_the_gamer
Why?
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When someone holds no respect for anothers right to life, then his right to life should be forfeited by "harsh" measures.HAHAITHINKNOT
Why?

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
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#326 Engrish_Major
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An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.Stevo_the_gamer
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? A tooth for a tooth makes the whole world... ...have to eat baby food for the rest of its life?
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I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.Engrish_Major
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? A tooth for a tooth makes the whole world... ...have to eat baby food for the rest of its life?

But some baby food is yummy.
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I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.CptJSparrow
what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for it
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I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.CptJSparrow
all the costs comes from the appeals. which i think should be taken away. but then people say "well what if an innocent person is executed? you don't think they should be able to appeal?" simple, don't sentence people to death row when there is a chance they could be innocent.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.cee1gee
what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for it

i honestly think this is one of the stupidest arguments ever. how about i say "what about the cop that arrests a person for drug possession? now the cop is in possession of drugs, let's arrest him!"

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.cee1gee
what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for it

Idiot, the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of one person by another.
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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.needled24-7

what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for it

i honestly think this is one of the stupidest arguments ever. how about i say "what about the cop that arrests a person for drug possession? now the cop is in possession of drugs, let's arrest him!"

what does drugs have to do with murder in this case? how can you call my argument stupid and make one yourself
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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I'm for it. You take a life away, you do not deserve to live. But we shouldn't spend millions on it. A short drop and a sudden stop is all you need.CptJSparrow
what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for it

Idiot, the definition of murder is the unlawful killing of one person by another.

Oh im sorry, i forgot just because there are laws makes it justified...sorry forgot
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"] what about the person who is doing the executions for the death penalty? hes also a murderer, only difference between him and the criminals is hes getting paid for itcee1gee

i honestly think this is one of the stupidest arguments ever. how about i say "what about the cop that arrests a person for drug possession? now the cop is in possession of drugs, let's arrest him!"

what does drugs have to do with murder in this case? how can you call my argument stupid and make one yourself

i know the example i gave was stupid, that's why i gave it, because it was saying the same thing as your argument. i know drugs don't have anything to do with murder. i was using a DIFFERENT situation using the SAME logic.

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#336 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] Oh im sorry, i forgot just because there are laws makes it justified...sorry forgot

Yeah, you forgot that mankind is born with the natural rights of life, liberty, and property; he who takes these must be punished or we don't have a society. It's not 'thou shalt not kill', it's 'thou shalt not murder'.
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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]i honestly think this is one of the stupidest arguments ever. how about i say "what about the cop that arrests a person for drug possession? now the cop is in possession of drugs, let's arrest him!"

needled24-7

what does drugs have to do with murder in this case? how can you call my argument stupid and make one yourself

i know the example i gave was stupid, that's why i gave it, because it was saying the same thing as your argument. i know drugs don't have anything to do with murder. i was using a DIFFERENT situation using the SAME logic.

well a cops job isnt to murder people, if he has to kill its because hes defending himself or protecting someone else...an executioner serves no purpose in the world..we can easily just let a prisoner rot in prison
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.Engrish_Major
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? A tooth for a tooth makes the whole world... ...have to eat baby food for the rest of its life?

An eye for an eye makes two people 1/2 blind, a tooth for a tooth makes two people look silly.. unless it's the back teeth!

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] well a cops job isnt to murder people, if he has to kill its because hes defending himself or protecting someone else...an executioner serves no purpose in the world..we can easily just let a prisoner rot in prison

Sending someone to prison isn't sitting them in a cell letting them starve or overheat or freeze to death. :|
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"] what does drugs have to do with murder in this case? how can you call my argument stupid and make one yourselfcee1gee

i know the example i gave was stupid, that's why i gave it, because it was saying the same thing as your argument. i know drugs don't have anything to do with murder. i was using a DIFFERENT situation using the SAME logic.

well a cops job isnt to murder people, if he has to kill its because hes defending himself or protecting someone else...an executioner serves no purpose in the world..we can easily just let a prisoner rot in prison

but that's the thing, they don't "rot" in prison. they read, play basketball, lift weights, stuff like that. maybe if they threw them in a hole and fed them bread and water once a day, but they don't do that.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]i know the example i gave was stupid, that's why i gave it, because it was saying the same thing as your argument. i know drugs don't have anything to do with murder. i was using a DIFFERENT situation using the SAME logic.

needled24-7

well a cops job isnt to murder people, if he has to kill its because hes defending himself or protecting someone else...an executioner serves no purpose in the world..we can easily just let a prisoner rot in prison

but that's the thing, they don't "rot" in prison. they read, play basketball, lift weights, stuff like that. maybe if they threw them in a hole and fed them bread and water once a day, but they don't do that.

And why would we do this?
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[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When someone holds no respect for anothers right to life, then his right to life should be forfeited by "harsh" measures.Stevo_the_gamer
Why?

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Why? Revenge is silly.
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"] well a cops job isnt to murder people, if he has to kill its because hes defending himself or protecting someone else...an executioner serves no purpose in the world..we can easily just let a prisoner rot in prisonTELLMEYOURLIFE

but that's the thing, they don't "rot" in prison. they read, play basketball, lift weights, stuff like that. maybe if they threw them in a hole and fed them bread and water once a day, but they don't do that.

And why would we do this?

i don't think we should do this, but cee1gee said letting them rot in prison would be better, and i was saying that's not how it works. prisons are way too nice to be considered rotting.

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Why? Revenge is silly.TELLMEYOURLIFE
Justice.
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#345 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]but that's the thing, they don't "rot" in prison. they read, play basketball, lift weights, stuff like that. maybe if they threw them in a hole and fed them bread and water once a day, but they don't do that.

needled24-7

And why would we do this?

i don't think we should do this, but cee1gee said letting them rot in prison would be better, and i was saying that's not how it works. prisons are way too nice to be considered rotting.

My apologies.
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#346 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Why? Revenge is silly.Stevo_the_gamer
Justice.

I asked for a reason, if I wanted ambiguity I'd read a philosophy book.
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#347 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Why?TELLMEYOURLIFE
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Why? Revenge is silly.

Yargh, principles are such a silly thing. It's time for man to become something 'higher'. And I'm not talking about an increase on the y-axis....
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#348 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Why?TELLMEYOURLIFE
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Why? Revenge is silly.

Paying to keep a murder alive and comfortable in prison is sillier.
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Yargh, principles are such a silly thing. It's time for man to become something 'higher'. And I'm not talking about an increase on the y-axis....CptJSparrow

I don't even understand the second and third sentences of this post

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#350 TELLMEYOURLIFE
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[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.CptJSparrow
Why? Revenge is silly.

Paying to keep a murder alive and comfortable in prison is sillier.

ITT high security prisons are comfortable.