Did you want Barack Obama to win?

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"A liberal or progressive in theDemocratic Party (United States)"

"A large majority of liberals favoruniversal health care"

"A large majority of liberals favoruniversal health care, with many supporting asingle-payer system. A majority also favordiplomacyovermilitary action,stem cell research, the legalization ofsame-sex marriage, secular government, strictergun control, and environmental protection laws as well as the preservation ofabortion rights"

"Immigration andcultural diversityis deemed positive; liberals favorcultural pluralism, a system in which immigrants retain their native culture in addition to adopting their new culture."

He's a Liberal according to this.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Liberals

-Sun_Tzu-

According to that Wikipedia page he's not that liberal - in fact that article reveals that he is quite moderate. If you look at the "international political spectrum" so to speak, Obama wouldn't even be considered a moderate, he resembles a conservative, of all things.

i dont know much, but i know this guy wins.

HE clearly states in his policies that he supports Same-Sex marriage. HE also supports 6 out of the 7 cases for Liberalism.

"Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

"Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard."

"President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday."

Sources:http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm,http://digg.com/world_news/Official_Obama_Won_t_Take_Any_Current_War_Options,

"Stalin made efforts to augment his public image and acult of personalitydeveloped around him."

This is exactly what Obama is doing. By mocking the people of the country, and anything that opposes him. He even took a stab at Fox News during a Press conference.

Snipes_2

Every president in the 20th century has had PR people that try to present the president in a positive light. Further, how does mocking the American people help to create an idealized public perception of Obama? Not only that but for a Cult of Personality to truly develop, Obama has to have significant control of the media. Flipping the channel to Fox News proves that he obviously doesn't.

I didn't care. I figured neither one was going to be able to save us from the economic collapse.

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]tele-prompter? lol excuses. Obama graduated from Harvared law, McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class. Face it, one's intelligent, the other's a moron, thank god we didn't get another Bush in office.

Noskillkill

well i hardly think a teleprompter is a legit excuse..

tele-prompter? lol excuses. Obama graduated from Harvared law, McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class. Face it, one's intelligent, the other's a moron, thank god we didn't get another Bush in office.

With-Hatred

Yeah. I voted for him.

HE clearly states in his policies that he supports Same-Sex marriage.

"Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

"Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard."

Source:http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Snipes_2

I think you do harm to your argument when you compare Obama to Stalin, a man who murdered millions of his own people by implementing a public policy that reflected his own paranoid schizophrenia. Obama is *nowhere* *near* *that*, and trying to paint him in that light is as untenable as trying to compare Bush to Hitler (which was, ironically, attempted many times right here on OT).

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

"Stalin made efforts to augment his public image and acult of personalitydeveloped around him."

This is exactly what Obama is doing. By mocking the people of the country, and anything that opposes him. He even took a stab at Fox News during a Press conference.

HomicidalCherry

Every president in the 20th century has had PR people that try to present the president in a positive light. Further, how does mocking the American people help to create an idealized public perception of Obama? Not only that but for a Cult of Personality to truly develop, Obama has to have significant control of the media. Flipping the channel to Fox News proves that he obviously doesn't.

By mocking the Public he creates his own Self Image through the use of the Media. When he goes on television and belittles those he rules, that's a form of the "Cult of Personality". No President in the History of the United States used the Media to attack the Populace.

I think you do harm to your argument when you compare Obama to Stalin, a man who murdered millions of his own people by implementing a public policy that reflected his own paranoid schizophrenia. Obama is *nowhere* *near* *that*, and trying to paint him in that light is as untenable as trying to compare Bush to Hitler (which was, ironically, attempted many times right here on OT).

m0zart

I didn't compare him to Stalin. I compared him to one of Stalins Characteristics/Tactics for forming his Regime.

HE clearly states in his policies that he supports Same-Sex marriage.

"Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

"Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard."

Source:http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Snipes_2

""I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obama-on-mtv-i.html

Now, I think Obama used to be liberal when he first entered politics, but he ain't no liberal no more - and even if he still personally favors the liberal policies that he once vocally advocated for, he sure isn't governing as a liberal.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

"Stalin made efforts to augment his public image and acult of personalitydeveloped around him."

This is exactly what Obama is doing. By mocking the people of the country, and anything that opposes him. He even took a stab at Fox News during a Press conference.

Snipes_2

Every president in the 20th century has had PR people that try to present the president in a positive light. Further, how does mocking the American people help to create an idealized public perception of Obama? Not only that but for a Cult of Personality to truly develop, Obama has to have significant control of the media. Flipping the channel to Fox News proves that he obviously doesn't.

By mocking the Public he creates his own Self Image through the use of the Media. When he goes on television and belittles those he rules, that's a form of the "Cult of Personality". No President in the History of the United States used the Media to attack the Populace.

....No it's not that's a form of lowering your poll numbers. No cult of personality will ever form around someone who is constantly attacking his constituents.

I have to ask though, can you provide some examples of Obama belittling the American people? If it is as regular as you say, you should have no problem coming up with dozens of quotes.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

HE clearly states in his policies that he supports Same-Sex marriage.

"Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

"Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard."

Source:http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

DivergeUnify

IT clearly states on the site I posted that he supports Same Sex marriage. You can't just change your political views over night.

HEre's another site:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

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[QUOTE="Noskillkill"]

well i hardly think a teleprompter is a legit excuse..

HomicidalCherry

He was supposedly a "Great Orator". It's completely legitimate in this case.

Obama isn't a conservative by the way. He's a Liberal Democrat.

Personally I believe he's a communist and he acts like a Dictator. Before posting inane remarks in reply to this, first look back on history at previous regimes that have toppled. Many characteristics appear in Obama.

I'm surprised you didn't just go all out and compare Obama to Hitler.:roll:

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

HE clearly states in his policies that he supports Same-Sex marriage.

"Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

"Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard."

Source:http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Snipes_2

IT clearly states on the site I posted that he supports Same Sex marriage. You can't just change your political views over night.

HEre's another site:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

He was supposedly a "Great Orator". It's completely legitimate in this case.

Obama isn't a conservative by the way. He's a Liberal Democrat.

Personally I believe he's a communist and he acts like a Dictator. Before posting inane remarks in reply to this, first look back on history at previous regimes that have toppled. Many characteristics appear in Obama.

Pyro767

I'm surprised you didn't just go all out and compare Obama to Hitler.:roll:

lol. Have patience, I can feel a comparison coming. XD

I wanted McCain to win and after seeing the mess Obama has made I want McCain as president even more now.Y2Jfan23

can you please explain what he did that puts us in a mess?

i hear a lot of ppl saying he messed everything up, but i dont think he has been in long enough to do that. i dont get it. what did he do? was Bush not the one who dug us in this hole? why is it that now Bush passes Obama the "flame me" batton? shouldnt we wait to see what he does?

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

Every president in the 20th century has had PR people that try to present the president in a positive light. Further, how does mocking the American people help to create an idealized public perception of Obama? Not only that but for a Cult of Personality to truly develop, Obama has to have significant control of the media. Flipping the channel to Fox News proves that he obviously doesn't.

HomicidalCherry

By mocking the Public he creates his own Self Image through the use of the Media. When he goes on television and belittles those he rules, that's a form of the "Cult of Personality". No President in the History of the United States used the Media to attack the Populace.

....No it's not that's a form of lowering your poll numbers. No cult of personality will ever form around someone who is constantly attacking his constituents.

I have to ask though, can you provide some examples of Obama belittling the American people? If it is as regular as you say, you should have no problem coming up with dozens of quotes.

Here are Two, He Apologized for the first one after the media got on his case:http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/obama_belittles_small_town_america/,http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Mocks-Fox-Tea-Bags

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

I'm surprised you didn't just go all out and compare Obama to Hitler.:roll:HomicidalCherry

lol. Have patience, I can feel a comparison coming. XD

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] Obama stated during the debates( or on his website) during the election that he didn't support Federal action on the issue of gay rights.DivergeUnify

IT clearly states on the site I posted that he supports Same Sex marriage. You can't just change your political views over night.

HEre's another site:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

Obviously you didn't watch the youtube video?

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

By mocking the Public he creates his own Self Image through the use of the Media. When he goes on television and belittles those he rules, that's a form of the "Cult of Personality". No President in the History of the United States used the Media to attack the Populace.

Snipes_2

....No it's not that's a form of lowering your poll numbers. No cult of personality will ever form around someone who is constantly attacking his constituents.

I have to ask though, can you provide some examples of Obama belittling the American people? If it is as regular as you say, you should have no problem coming up with dozens of quotes.

Here are Two, He Apologized for the first one after the media got on his case:http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/obama_belittles_small_town_america/,http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Mocks-Fox-Tea-Bags

is that it? and one is apologized for? thats what you have based parts of the argument on?

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

....No it's not that's a form of lowering your poll numbers. No cult of personality will ever form around someone who is constantly attacking his constituents.

I have to ask though, can you provide some examples of Obama belittling the American people? If it is as regular as you say, you should have no problem coming up with dozens of quotes.

Noskillkill

Here are Two, He Apologized for the first one after the media got on his case:http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/obama_belittles_small_town_america/,http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Mocks-Fox-Tea-Bags

is that it? and one is apologized for? thats what you have based parts of the argument on?

HE apologized after the MEdia went after him on the first one. What about the Second One? HE Mocks Fox News and Tea PArties. I have yet to see you base your arguments on any facts.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

By mocking the Public he creates his own Self Image through the use of the Media. When he goes on television and belittles those he rules, that's a form of the "Cult of Personality". No President in the History of the United States used the Media to attack the Populace.

Snipes_2

....No it's not that's a form of lowering your poll numbers. No cult of personality will ever form around someone who is constantly attacking his constituents.

I have to ask though, can you provide some examples of Obama belittling the American people? If it is as regular as you say, you should have no problem coming up with dozens of quotes.

Here are Two, He Apologized for the first one after the media got on his case:http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/obama_belittles_small_town_america/,http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Mocks-Fox-Tea-Bags

The first one is from a year and a half ago during the campaign. The second one is a long way from attacking the American people. He is saying he will have a serious conversation with these people about the issues. I fail to understand what is wrong with that AT ALL.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

IT clearly states on the site I posted that he supports Same Sex marriage. You can't just change your political views over night.

HEre's another site:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

Snipes_2

Obviously you didn't watch the youtube video?

Yes I did. I agreed with most of his policies, and I thought he'd be effective at getting them through. I'm hoping that he'll prove me right.Bourbons3

Did you want Barack Obama to win the election? I know this was a while ago, but I just wanted to ask. I did. He's doing better then Mcain wouldve been doing...

supergamer514

Yes, I voted for him and didn't regret it at all.

Yes. I was utterly terrified of Mccain winning as I was fairly convinced he would start a confrontation with Iran, and I was terrified of him dying in office and Palin being the president.

I wanted him to win, he did, and we are all the better for it, compared to what the competition would have done in the last 12 months.

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] No. It clearly states in the URL that he ONCE supported SSMDivergeUnify

Obviously you didn't watch the youtube video?

The URL does not contradict me. Read the Article and Watch the video.

Nope.

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Snipes_2

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Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

wstfld

I don't understand the relevance of the first part of your sentence. If you're a Christian you are not in any way supposed to condone Same-Sex Marriage. IF he actually WAS a christian he'd know that.

"The Vatican and Pope John Paul II are speaking out against the growing number of places that recognize same-sex marriages."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html

Yes I did. I agreed with most of his policies, and I thought he'd be effective at getting them through. I'm hoping that he'll prove me right.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Snipes_2

I don't understand the relevance of the first part of your sentence. If you're a Christian you are not in any way supposed to condone Same-Sex Marriage. IF he actually WAS a christian he'd know that.

"The Vatican and Pope John Paul II are speaking out against the growing number of places that recognize same-sex marriages."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Here are Two, He Apologized for the first one after the media got on his case:http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/obama_belittles_small_town_america/,http://www.politicususa.com/en/Obama-Mocks-Fox-Tea-Bags

Snipes_2

is that it? and one is apologized for? thats what you have based parts of the argument on?

HE apologized after the MEdia went after him on the first one. What about the Second One? HE Mocks Fox News and Tea PArties. I have yet to see you base your arguments on any facts.

ok i havnt cited any sources or facts.. so? i know by common sense. is Fox and tea parties the symbol of free speech and human rights? is it sown on the American Flag or in the Pledge of Alligence? no. so why does it matter and worry you that he mocks it? i dont see the logic in Mock Fox=dictator.. do i really need links and facts to prove the point?? your facts just arnt very strong.

No. I liked barrack obama personally, but I thought, and still do think, that he was/is far to inexperienced to be president.

I wanted him to win. I guess one of the biggest draws was the change in attitude. With 7 years of the Bush administration spouting "terrorist" this and "terrorist" that, it's nice not being reminded we should live in fear of our lives. McCain was shaping up to be more of that unfortanatly, put that seems to be a party stance.

Additionally I felt bad for McCain. If you guys look back, did you notice his drop in energy. It was like he wanted to be president at first, but something along the road, maybe Palin, made him change his mind. I really noticed it during his speach after Obama won. If he had that kind of energy and spirit during the entire campaign I might have made more consideration of voting for him, but he seemed relieved he didn't win. I don't blame the guy though. If I were in his shoes I would feel the same way. I mean Palin? what?

Obama is an evil communist, racist, muslim, dictator, terrorist, nazi.

/sarcasm

Fox deserves to be mocked. The stuff that they do and say is so ridiculous that they don't deserve a serious response.

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Snipes_2