Did you want Barack Obama to win?

Sun_tzu uses real logic and facts while Snipes_2 is using fox news logic and trying to screw and misstate facts.

Sun_tzu is obviously winning this battle.

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is that it? and one is apologized for? thats what you have based parts of the argument on?

Noskillkill

HE apologized after the MEdia went after him on the first one. What about the Second One? HE Mocks Fox News and Tea PArties. I have yet to see you base your arguments on any facts.

ok i havnt cited any sources or facts.. so? i know by common sense. is Fox and tea parties the symbol of free speech and human rights? is it sown on the American Flag or in the Pledge of Alligence? no. so why does it matter and worry you that he mocks it? i dont see the logic in Mock Fox=dictator.. do i really need links and facts to prove the point?? your facts just arnt very strong.

YOu continue to ignore all the other attributes that I posted. Refer back to other post. By mocking the people that oppose him and the Media he forms a Cult of Personality. Again, Refer back to one of my other posts.

Sun_tzu uses real logic and facts while Snipes_2 is using fox news logic and trying to screw and misstate facts.

Sun_tzu is obviously winning this battle.

Guybrush_3

Real logic and facts? Please, enlighten me. All the Facts I have stated have News sources and websites linked with them. I realize you support Obama so you can't really see past that.

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Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

-Sun_Tzu-

You said in a previous post he was opposed to it.

There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

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Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Snipes_2

You said in a previous post he was opposed to it.

Moreover, even if we are to assume that Obama did support gay marriage - it is not as if that necessarily makes Obama liberal - gay marriage isn't the metric used to determine who is and isn't liberal, seeing as how there are plenty of moderates and even some on the right who support gay marriage. I don't see what you are ultimately trying to prove about Obama's ideology by just debating his position on one specific issue.

Yes. I am a moderate liberal and I don't see his types of social changes as necessarily bad for the advancement of the American society. Time still moves forward right? The way some conservatives act, you would think the opposite. Blah, there is just too much fear and misdirection used by the GOP, and I can't stand behind that type of irrational dishonesty. A lot of the arguments they use to support their agendas tend to be based on opinion not fact. You cannot have a rational debate about something if you are so biased that you reject the notion that you may be wrong. Sure, my I have a biased opinion against conservatives, and some liberals, but I've formed my opinion through observational and anecdotal evidence. And yes, I can accept to be proved wrong. I see a lot of bad press pointed towards Obama, but a lot of it rings hollow. Here is a good article from linguist Geoffrey nunberg that describes what I'm getting at. listen.

Absolutely not. Frankly I think only ignorant people are surprised at anything Obama has done or said so far. With that, I couldn't bring myself to vote for McCain either. I wound up leaving Office of President blank on my ballot.

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlY9HFRNUHs&feature=player_embedded

He certainly isn't against Same-Sex Marriage. HE contradicts himself constantly. HE says he's a Christian, but then he says Same Sex Marriage is Ok. The Churches teachings clearly state that this is not the case.

Snipes_2

Many Christians treat their scripture differently than others. They understand that a holy text is bound to turn obsolete at some of its parts and therefore believe that not all commands are valid to this day.

Thus being a Christian and supporting same-sex marriage is not a contradiction.

I'm British and I have to tell you there was a big sigh of relief over here when he won it, mainly because we were afraid that Mcain would die in office and we all know who would have become president then :shock: Also I personally think that Obama is less liely to start a nucler war than Mcain (I'm not citing facts, nor do I have any real knowledge about either menon the subject, it is just a gut feeling so disregard it if you want)

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Sun_tzu uses real logic and facts while Snipes_2 is using fox news logic and trying to screw and misstate facts.

Sun_tzu is obviously winning this battle.

Snipes_2

Real logic and facts? Please, enlighten me. All the Facts I have stated have News sources and websites linked with them. I realize you support Obama so you can't really see past that.

I did not want Obama to win the election, and I still wish he hadn't won the election

I did want McCain to win the election, and I now realize that I was an idiot to support him.

There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

Snipes_2

A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

I didn't mean that I know how McCain wouldve been doing. I didn't mean it like that. I sorta worded that wrong. I meant to say, I think Obama probly wouldve been doing better the McCain. Sorry about that. :oops:

Yes. Change can be more beneficial than steadiness.curono

What is he going to change? The word "change" does not doing anything except maybe get you to buy coke or pepsi and vote for obama. The reality is he is not changing anything.

It's a little similar with these tea parties. It's just so people can go and be social and think that they are doing something. When all they are doing is looking like whiny little brats. Keep on voting and then sitting on your butt or yelling in the streets while these crooks keep on keepin' on.

No I did not. I don't like him. I mean, he can't speak without a teleprompter. :?

Lilyanne46

Is this a serious reason to not like him? I need to know.

There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

Snipes_2

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No I did not. I don't like him. I mean, he can't speak without a teleprompter. :?

Lilyanne46

Is this a serious reason to not like him? I need to know.

Nope.

-He's fake.

-People only voted for him because of his race

-I can't stand liberals, better yet conservatives.

-Again, he can't speak without a teleprompter.

-I've yet to see him do anything productive.

-I think he's up to no good.

Explain that because that term annoys me, and the second is a generalization, alot of people saw the disaster that was the republican election campaign, and Sarah palin obviously wasn't the best choice of VP, not to mention alot of people were still sore at the republicans for bush's second term.

Point number 3,5 and 6 are all fine with me but point number 4... I don't see how you can't not like someone for that I mean alot of people use them so they flow with their speeches.

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Nope.

-He's fake.

-People only voted for him because of his race

-I can't stand liberals, better yet conservatives.

-Again, he can't speak without a teleprompter.

-I've yet to see him do anything productive.

-I think he's up to no good.

Lilyanne46

Explain that because that term annoys me, and the second is a generalization, alot of people saw the disaster that was the republican election campaign, and Sarah palin obviously wasn't the best choice of VP, not to mention alot of people were still sore at the republicans for bush's second term.

Point number 3,5 and 6 are all fine with me but point number 4... I don't see how you can't not like someone for that I mean alot of people use them so they flow with their speeches.

Okay, look. This and this go hand in hand. He can't write himself, nor can he memorize it even if he did. Highly unprofessional to me.

As for generalization, I did a poll for journalism class, and 64% of the people voted for him because he "black". He's not even black he's mixed. :?

2: Unprofessional? Politicians have people write speeches for them ALL THE TIME!

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No I did not. I don't like him. I mean, he can't speak without a teleprompter. :?

Is this a serious reason to not like him? I need to know.

Nope.

-He's fake.

-People only voted for him because of his race

-I can't stand liberals, better yet conservatives.

-Again, he can't speak without a teleprompter.

-I've yet to see him do anything productive.

-I think he's up to no good.

In my last message, I guess the words wouldnt fit or something, I dunno. But What do you mean by "he's up to no good?" What do you think he's gonna bring back dictatorship or something? (like some people think.) :roll:

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There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

HomicidalCherry

A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

He's not black. He's maybe 60% black. He Had a white mother who gave birth to an illegitimate son in Kenya.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No where in that link does he say that he supports gay marriage. He is a proponent of civil unions for gay couples, but he has said numerous times that he does not support gay marriage. -Sun_Tzu-

You said in a previous post he was opposed to it.

Moreover, even if we are to assume that Obama did support gay marriage - it is not as if that necessarily makes Obama liberal - gay marriage isn't the metric used to determine who is and isn't liberal, seeing as how there are plenty of moderates and even some on the right who support gay marriage. I don't see what you are ultimately trying to prove about Obama's ideology by just debating his position on one specific issue.

I posted multiple different issues, it appears as if people honed on on just one of them.

He's not black. He's maybe 60% black. He Had a white mother who gave birth to an illegitimate son in Kenya.

Snipes_2

Yes but mainly because I was very concerned about what McCain would do with the big red button in his office. DA_B0MB

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A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

sSubZerOo

Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

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Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

There's really no point in Arguing about it, No matter what I post, people opposed to it will just reply with a nonsensical remark that they can't "Back-Up". Obama is not Opposed to Same-Sex Marriage, He has Characteristics of a Liberal and a Dictator, and He will never be an Acceptable representative of the United States.

Snipes_2

A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

Well, I do agree with you in that Obama is liberal, as we define it in the U.S.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I can't help but snicker at this.. This isn't suggesting Obama is a good or bad president.. But calling him a dictator is ridiculous.. Whose platform was on saving the country agains the "axis of evil" and that any measures have to be taken? Who was the ones that wanted torture for these people? Who was the one that called any one cowards or unpatriotic for having difference of opinion? The Bush Adminstration.. So far that adminstration holds far more similarites to a facist tyranical group that lives off of hawkish ultra patriotic view.. This isn't suggesting he was one, nor is it suggesting that Obama is a bed of roses.. But your comments are ridiculous.sSubZerOo

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

How is it that you can constantly misquote me? I said he shows characteristics of a Dictator, then I continued onwards to compare and contrast. On another post I said "In MY OPINION, he acts like a dictator", is this what you are referring to?

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Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

Snipes_2

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

You posted sources that really don't back your point though. You failed to give a strong explanation as to how Obama asking for a serious dialogue rather than Tea Parties is acting like a dictator (and there really isn't a good explanation). Just posting a bunch of speeches isn't enough if they don't ACTUALLY show him acting like a dictator.

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

A) He's a democract so I would think it would be obvious that he is liberal.

B) Criticzing Fox News and those Tea Parties is not acting like a dictator, no matter how much you spin it or create a flimsy connection to Stalin.

In any case, I think I'm done here. I don't see any evidence of him acting like a dictator, nor will I it seems.

HomicidalCherry

Thank You for proving my previous postings correct. :D

Well, I do agree with you in that Obama is liberal, as we define it in the U.S.

Well, That' good.:D

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I can't help but snicker at this.. This isn't suggesting Obama is a good or bad president.. But calling him a dictator is ridiculous.. Whose platform was on saving the country agains the "axis of evil" and that any measures have to be taken? Who was the ones that wanted torture for these people? Who was the one that called any one cowards or unpatriotic for having difference of opinion? The Bush Adminstration.. So far that adminstration holds far more similarites to a facist tyranical group that lives off of hawkish ultra patriotic view.. This isn't suggesting he was one, nor is it suggesting that Obama is a bed of roses.. But your comments are ridiculous.HomicidalCherry

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

You posted sources that really don't back your point though. You failed to give a strong explanation as to how Obama asking for a serious dialogue rather than Tea Parties is acting like a dictator (and there really isn't a good explanation). Just posting a bunch of speeches isn't enough if they don't ACTUALLY show him acting like a dictator.

IT wasn't the act of the Tea Parties. IT was the act of mocking them. I posted everything. Things he's said, speeches, etc.. Furthermore, how can i "Show" him acting like a Dictator?

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

IF they are ridiculous then show me a source that proves otherwise. I posted multiple sites and quotes from him and his book. In another post I think I showed the comparison quite clearly. But, again, if you support Obama you won't be able to see past his Facade.

Snipes_2

You posted sources that really don't back your point though. You failed to give a strong explanation as to how Obama asking for a serious dialogue rather than Tea Parties is acting like a dictator (and there really isn't a good explanation). Just posting a bunch of speeches isn't enough if they don't ACTUALLY show him acting like a dictator.

IT wasn't the act of the Tea Parties. IT was the act of mocking them. I posted everything. Things he's said, speeches, etc..

Yeah, I watched the speech, in which he basically said I'm willing to talk about these issues but let's do so in a mature manner rather than throwing tea parties. That isn't acting like a dictator.

Anyways, now I actually am done with this thread. It is clear that you have a much different view of what is dictatorial than I. Obama isn't infringing on any Civil Rights, he isn't overstepping the powers of the presidency (he isn't even fully using the powers that are consitutionally available (veto)), and he isn't censoring his opponents. These are the actions of a dictator, not criticizing opponents and pointing out dishonest journalism.

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

You posted sources that really don't back your point though. You failed to give a strong explanation as to how Obama asking for a serious dialogue rather than Tea Parties is acting like a dictator (and there really isn't a good explanation). Just posting a bunch of speeches isn't enough if they don't ACTUALLY show him acting like a dictator.

HomicidalCherry

IT wasn't the act of the Tea Parties. IT was the act of mocking them. I posted everything. Things he's said, speeches, etc..

Yeah, I watched the speech, in which he basically said I'm willing to talk about these issues but let's do so in a mature manner rather than throwing tea parties. That isn't acting like a dictator.

Anyways, now I actually am done with this thread. It is clear that you have a much different view of what is dictatorial than I. Obama isn't infringing on any Civil Rights, he isn't overstepping the powers of the presidency (he isn't even fully using the powers that are consitutionally available (veto)), and he isn't censoring his opponents. These are the actions of a dictator, not criticizing opponents and pointing out dishonest journalism.

Bush would have been torn apart if he even did half the stuff Obama has done in His first year. Mocking an opponent in the Media is a sign of Dictatorship, again, I already posted on this. And I also stated that people have different opinions, You can stick with yours, I'll stick with mine.

Mocking an opponent in the Media is a sign of Dictatorship, again, I already posted on this. And I also stated that people have different opinions, You can stick with yours, I'll stick with mine.Snipes_2

Explain to me how that is a sign of a dictatorship, because I'm confused beyond belief.

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IT wasn't the act of the Tea Parties. IT was the act of mocking them. I posted everything. Things he's said, speeches, etc..

Snipes_2

Yeah, I watched the speech, in which he basically said I'm willing to talk about these issues but let's do so in a mature manner rather than throwing tea parties. That isn't acting like a dictator.

Anyways, now I actually am done with this thread. It is clear that you have a much different view of what is dictatorial than I. Obama isn't infringing on any Civil Rights, he isn't overstepping the powers of the presidency (he isn't even fully using the powers that are consitutionally available (veto)), and he isn't censoring his opponents. These are the actions of a dictator, not criticizing opponents and pointing out dishonest journalism.

Bush would have been torn apart if he even did half the stuff Obama has done in His first year. Mocking an opponent in the Media is a sign of Dictatorship, again, I already posted on this. And I also stated that people have different opinions, You can stick with yours, I'll stick with mine.

I think he's very similar to our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - all flash, no substance. They say they are doing something, but in honesty they are not. They lied during their election campaigns and treat the public like dummies.

I think he's very similar to our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - all flash, no substance. They say they are doing something, but in honesty they are not. They lied during their election campaigns and treat the public like dummies.

daqua_99

Not that thats an excuse of course.