Do Transexuals have the right to go out with straight people not telling them?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I question whether they should have the right to exist like that in the first place.SolidSnake35

How should they not have the right?

There are so many things wrong here with this sentence that it is staggering.

Why should the jews be allowed to exist?

Or homosexuals?

Or black people?

Or the mentally retarded?

Answer: They are people. Genocide is frowned upon (Hint: It's why Hitler is considered a bad man.)

I think people that like Jessica Alba shouldn't be allowed to exist.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think this falls under the 'buyer beware' law.Renevent42

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

I believe there are laws dictating that if you have AIDS you have to disclose it first prior to entering into a physical relationship with someone, and I believe this should be the same with transgenders as well. Luckily I am married so this is not something I have to worry about, but if I was still out there I would be more than pissed to find out *after* having sex with someone that they weren't actually a woman. It's not shallow, it's not ignorance, it's biology. I believe gays and transgenders have the right to exist openly and I don't care if they marry, but tricking a heterosexual into thinking you are something you are not toes the line of fraud for me. Any violence that occurs after such a betrayal is warranted, in my book.Renevent42

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think this falls under the 'buyer beware' law.Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think this falls under the 'buyer beware' law.jimmyjammer69

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I actually really doubt there are people who were "married to transexuals for years!" without knowing.

I don't tell everyone my past and I don't see why they should. Should I tell every potential date that I was born with irritable bowels and once had a wart?

Pixel-Pirate

Terrible comparison. Irritable bowels and warts don't have the same kind of magnitude that a change of sex does.

Most heterosexuals don't want to date someone that was once the same sex as them.

It is only right to let one know what they are getting into before diving into a serious relationship.

I don't want to date women who had breast enlargement surgery. They are lying about their body. Any woman who has had it should be required to tell me and everyone they meet about said surgery upon even coming into contact with me.

But if you had read my past posts you'd see I agree partially with you. They should tell....after they get to know the person. If a male has a panic attack because they went on a date with a transgendered person and never kissed or had intimate contact with them and later finds out they were transgender, well, small price to pay for safety, I'd say.

I did read your other posts, but unfortunately, I wrote the response you just replied to before reading them.

As far as your breast enlargement surgery example is concerned, a woman would really have no way of knowing that you won't date women with breast implants.

On the other hand, it's pretty much a given that the majority of straight people don't want to date a transsexual.

No because it's a trap.

shoot-first

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]so now if you don;t want to have a relationship with somone who has changed sex you're an "alpha male"....somedays I wonder about the time we live in....lying is lying....period....witholding information that you think somone will take the way you don't want them to take is is LYING.....if you don't think they can handle it...don't have a relationship with them.....Pixel-Pirate

Which is generally what I suggested. I'll break it down on how I think it should go.

The transgender person should get to know the person before getting serious. I think one or two dates with no physical contact is fine and should be used to judge how the person would take it. If negatively, contact should be ceased and the relationship broken off. If they think it well be taken alright then they should tell before they get serious.

If a male cannot handle having gone out on a date with 0 physical contact and later finding out it was a guy, then yeah, insecure is all I have to say. No contact happened and they'd instead be more upset that they were infact attracted to the person.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] No, i think it's more inline with "false advertising" lol...Pixel-Pirate

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think this falls under the 'buyer beware' law.rawsavon

This is probably one of the few areas where I agree with laissez-faire policy.

Threads like this are why I no longer take this forum seriously at all. Thanks for my daily dose of rage OT

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Agreed.

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

jimmyjammer69

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

if one of those weirdos do that to a straight person they deserve to go to jail.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Terrible comparison. Irritable bowels and warts don't have the same kind of magnitude that a change of sex does.

Most heterosexuals don't want to date someone that was once the same sex as them.

It is only right to let one know what they are getting into before diving into a serious relationship.

GreySeal9

I don't want to date women who had breast enlargement surgery. They are lying about their body. Any woman who has had it should be required to tell me and everyone they meet about said surgery upon even coming into contact with me.

But if you had read my past posts you'd see I agree partially with you. They should tell....after they get to know the person. If a male has a panic attack because they went on a date with a transgendered person and never kissed or had intimate contact with them and later finds out they were transgender, well, small price to pay for safety, I'd say.

I did read your other posts, but unfortunately, I wrote the response you just replied to before reading them.

As far as your breast enlargement surgery example is concerned, a woman would really have no way of knowing that you won't date women with breast implants.

On the other hand, it's pretty much a given that the majority of straight people don't want to date a transsexual.

And some would. So...your point?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] No, i think it's more inline with "false advertising" lol...Pixel-Pirate

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

And they should tell people who they are interested in this detail..... it's like sleeping with someone and then they turn around and tell you they are a neo nazi. Fact is although it maybe your deep dark secret, it's a deal breaker.

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

worlock77

if i find that info you be ready for a beat down casue that **** is gross.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]so now if you don;t want to have a relationship with somone who has changed sex you're an "alpha male"....somedays I wonder about the time we live in....lying is lying....period....witholding information that you think somone will take the way you don't want them to take is is LYING.....if you don't think they can handle it...don't have a relationship with them.....Symphonycometh

Which is generally what I suggested. I'll break it down on how I think it should go.

The transgender person should get to know the person before getting serious. I think one or two dates with no physical contact is fine and should be used to judge how the person would take it. If negatively, contact should be ceased and the relationship broken off. If they think it well be taken alright then they should tell before they get serious.

If a male cannot handle having gone out on a date with 0 physical contact and later finding out it was a guy, then yeah, insecure is all I have to say. No contact happened and they'd instead be more upset that they were infact attracted to the person.

I personally see that as your problem, to be honest.

I'm not against these trans but most of them like to provoke peoplehippiesanta

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

worlock77

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm just amazed people don't see the danger in this. Murders and assault directed at transgender folk are rather common. You're almost asking to get murdered by some psychotic wanna-be alpha male if you go around telling everyone you're interested in that you used to be male. It's not just some upsetting thing to go through, it's potentially life threatening.

Pixel-Pirate

And if you're a transgendered person, I hope that you're only involved in one-night-stands.

If you keep on seeing the person, that ENORMOUSLY increases the chances of them finding out about you anyway. And if you're worried about getting assaulted or murdered, then what's going to be more likely to result in you getting assaulted or murdered? Telling the person that you're transsexual BEFORE getting heavily involved with them, or having them find out about you AFTER they've been sleeping with you for the better part of a year?

No, you should wait till you trust them. Do you tell everyone your deepest secrets upon first contact? Why should they?

Again, what the hell happens when THEY FIND OUT? Not when you decide to tell them, but when that little secret just happens to slip out into the open.

If the entire REASON for withholding the fact that you're transgendered is to keep that person from murdering you, then what the hell do you think is going to happen when they DISCOVER that for the last 6 months they've been having sex with a transexual?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Agreed.

Just like her name or whether she's already seeing someone, whether a girl has a vagina or a penis is one of those "early" details; it's basically a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Maybe it is shallow in a way, but as long as requests for gynaecological records remain a faux pas on first dates, the onus is on the girl to make it clear if there's a turkey in the hen coop pretty early on.

Espada12

Alot of transgendered people get the penis removed and a false vagina made in place. Part of the procedure. So...they wouldn't have a penis.

And they should tell people who they are interested in this detail..... it's like sleeping with someone and then they turn around and tell you they are a neo nazi. Fact is although it maybe your deep dark secret, it's a deal breaker.

Then I suggest you work toward making transgendered people accepted so they don't have to fear people like the post a post or two above me who would assault or murder them over it. Untill then they shouldn't tell upon first meeting.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

How should they not have the right?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

And if you're a transgendered person, I hope that you're only involved in one-night-stands.

If you keep on seeing the person, that ENORMOUSLY increases the chances of them finding out about you anyway. And if you're worried about getting assaulted or murdered, then what's going to be more likely to result in you getting assaulted or murdered? Telling the person that you're transsexual BEFORE getting heavily involved with them, or having them find out about you AFTER they've been sleeping with you for the better part of a year?

MrGeezer

No, you should wait till you trust them. Do you tell everyone your deepest secrets upon first contact? Why should they?

Again, what the hell happens when THEY FIND OUT? Not when you decide to tell them, but when that little secret just happens to slip out into the open.

If the entire REASON for withholding the fact that you're transgendered is to keep that person from murdering you, then what the hell do you think is going to happen when they DISCOVER that for the last 6 months they've been having sex with a transexual?

You should probably read the rest of my posts.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

Omni-Slash

Some people genuinely consider scar tissue to be a turn off. So I guess a person should be legally required to tell a potential date about every scar they have. Oh man, I'd be going for hours in that case.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Why should they?SolidSnake35

EDIT: reading fail. just replace live with exist and my argument would make sense, sort of.

if i find that info you be ready for a beat down casue that **** is gross.

MoetWitMedusa

Mature solutions FTW!

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Which is generally what I suggested. I'll break it down on how I think it should go.

The transgender person should get to know the person before getting serious. I think one or two dates with no physical contact is fine and should be used to judge how the person would take it. If negatively, contact should be ceased and the relationship broken off. If they think it well be taken alright then they should tell before they get serious.

If a male cannot handle having gone out on a date with 0 physical contact and later finding out it was a guy, then yeah, insecure is all I have to say. No contact happened and they'd instead be more upset that they were infact attracted to the person.

Pixel-Pirate

I personally see that as your problem, to be honest.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] I don't think this works with everyone. A date is the line in which one should tell someone about their gender. Dating a woman, that's a criteria for me, and anything I didn't know pre-dating that'd I'd probably like to have known, like say, being transsexual, is an act of lying to me.Symphonycometh

I personally see that as your problem, to be honest.

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

worlock77

Some people genuinely consider scar tissue to be a turn off. So I guess a person should be legally required to tell a potential date about every scar they have. Oh man, I'd be going for hours in that case.

that dont mean anything. its still a girl. if you bang a fake girl that is ctually a dude that is wrong.

those people gotta be careful cuz they can do it to the wrong person and get whats coming to them.

if they wanna do dudes they can find some gay dudes for themselves not straight dudes.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I don't want to date women who had breast enlargement surgery. They are lying about their body. Any woman who has had it should be required to tell me and everyone they meet about said surgery upon even coming into contact with me.

But if you had read my past posts you'd see I agree partially with you. They should tell....after they get to know the person. If a male has a panic attack because they went on a date with a transgendered person and never kissed or had intimate contact with them and later finds out they were transgender, well, small price to pay for safety, I'd say.

Pixel-Pirate

I did read your other posts, but unfortunately, I wrote the response you just replied to before reading them.

As far as your breast enlargement surgery example is concerned, a woman would really have no way of knowing that you won't date women with breast implants.

On the other hand, it's pretty much a given that the majority of straight people don't want to date a transsexual.

And some would. So...your point?

My point is that in most cases, a heterosexual person wouldn't want to date a transsexual, so a change of sex seems a more reasonable thing to divulge than stuff that most people probably wouldn't care about.

A transsexual person should probably only approach people that they think would be open to dating them, which might be somewhat difficult, but not impossible.

Then I suggest you work toward making transgendered people accepted so they don't have to fear people like the post a post or two above me who would assault or murder them over it. Untill then they shouldn't tell upon first meeting.

Pixel-Pirate

I don't get it, why would someone murder because they found out you were trangendered at first meeting?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

How should they not have the right?

Pixel-Pirate

There are so many things wrong here with this sentence that it is staggering.

Why should the jews be allowed to exist?

Or homosexuals?

Or black people?

Or the mentally retarded?

Answer: They are people. Genocide is frowned upon (Hint: It's why Hitler is considered a bad man.)

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Then I suggest you work toward making transgendered people accepted so they don't have to fear people like the post a post or two above me who would assault or murder them over it. Untill then they shouldn't tell upon first meeting.

Espada12

I don't get it, why would someone murder because they found out you were trangendered at first meeting?

Because some people are just that insecure.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] because they are people. I think you shouldn't exist, why should you?toast_burner

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Then I suggest you work toward making transgendered people accepted so they don't have to fear people like the post a post or two above me who would assault or murder them over it. Untill then they shouldn't tell upon first meeting.

Espada12

I don't get it, why would someone murder because they found out you were trangendered at first meeting?

Why do skinheads murder black people? Intolerance.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Why should they?SolidSnake35

Certainly until there is a legitimate reason of removing or limiting said rights.

What is your reason?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Why should they?SolidSnake35

There are so many things wrong here with this sentence that it is staggering.

Why should the jews be allowed to exist?

Or homosexuals?

Or black people?

Or the mentally retarded?

Answer: They are people. Genocide is frowned upon (Hint: It's why Hitler is considered a bad man.)

if one of those weirdos do that to a straight person they deserve to go to jail.

MoetWitMedusa

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

SolidSnake35

Why not?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Why should they?SolidSnake35

There are so many things wrong here with this sentence that it is staggering.

Why should the jews be allowed to exist?

Or homosexuals?

Or black people?

Or the mentally retarded?

Answer: They are people. Genocide is frowned upon (Hint: It's why Hitler is considered a bad man.)

Because murder is negative and transexuality isn't? Not rocket science, sir.

Genocide is genocide. I'm sure the fuhrer would be proud of not allowing certain groups of minorities to live.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

SolidSnake35

Again with the goddamned stupid comparisons. Stealing violates the rights of another. Having a sex change operation does not.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I personally see that as your problem, to be honest.

Pixel-Pirate

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So should the woman have to tell a guy about her appendectomy scar on the first date?

worlock77

Some people genuinely consider scar tissue to be a turn off. So I guess a person should be legally required to tell a potential date about every scar they have. Oh man, I'd be going for hours in that case.

For me this isn't just any old thing that someone may choose not to disclose -- it isn't like refusing to disclose who you voted for in the last election, your political views, or your financial goals in life. Like it or not, it isn't just the gender of a potential partner that is important for many individual entering into a relationship, but also the biological sex that the individual was born with.

Informed consent is rather critical in any situation where someone is entering into a relationship especially where gender and sex are concerned, and I can't reconcile withholding this important information without some strong legal ramifications against the individual who did the withholding.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

SolidSnake35