Do Transexuals have the right to go out with straight people not telling them?

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

if one of those weirdos do that to a straight person they deserve to go to jail.

MasterC5

Apparently. You should also tell every guy to hit on you in a bar that you're trans. Otherwise you're lying! I'm sure no physical harm will come to you but I'm painfully naive.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] Can that be applied to all the negativity transsexuals face? Personally their problem, to be honest?Symphonycometh

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

if one of those weirdos do that to a straight person they deserve to go to jail.

MasterC5

You should probably read the rest of my posts.

Pixel-Pirate

I read them, and they're still nonsense.

If you EVER withhold the fact that you're transgendered from the person that you're dating because you think they'll kill you if they find out, then the solution is NOT to keep on dating them while hiding the fact that you're transgendered. The solution is to simply NOT DATE THEM.

What YOU are suggesting, is to deliberately keep on seeing someone who you think is going to murder the **** out of you if they find out who you are. At that point, the problem is that you're dating someone who you think is going to murder you.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Then I suggest you work toward making transgendered people accepted so they don't have to fear people like the post a post or two above me who would assault or murder them over it. Untill then they shouldn't tell upon first meeting.

Pixel-Pirate

I don't get it, why would someone murder because they found out you were trangendered at first meeting?

Why do skinheads murder black people? Intolerance.

That's not even the same thing at all and even with that you don't hear black people dying like crazy due to skin heads. As I said earlier, by your logic gays should be getting murdered left and right, you are blowing that way out of proportion for no reason. That person told me he was a transexual! KEEL HIM! Yeah that sounds reasonable.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] because they are people. I think you shouldn't exist, why should you?toast_burner

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] because they are people. I think you shouldn't exist, why should you?GreySeal9

Certainly until there is a legitimate reason of removing or limiting said rights.

What is your reason?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

SolidSnake35

Certainly until there is a legitimate reason of removing or limiting said rights.

What is your reason?

Come on, say it.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

Pixel-Pirate

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

LJS9502_basic

I don't think toast_burner is arguing against the notion that a transsexual should be honest about who they are. I'm pretty sure he's arguing against SolidSnake's assertion that transsexuals shouldn't be allowed to exist as transsexuals.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I believe there are laws dictating that if you have AIDS you have to disclose it first prior to entering into a physical relationship with someone, and I believe this should be the same with transgenders as well. Luckily I am married so this is not something I have to worry about, but if I was still out there I would be more than pissed to find out *after* having sex with someone that they weren't actually a woman. It's not shallow, it's not ignorance, it's biology. I believe gays and transgenders have the right to exist openly and I don't care if they marry, but tricking a heterosexual into thinking you are something you are not toes the line of fraud for me. Any violence that occurs after such a betrayal is warranted, in my book.Pixel-Pirate

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

if one of those weirdos do that to a straight person they deserve to go to jail.

Pixel-Pirate

Apparently. You should also tell every guy to hit on you in a bar that you're trans. Otherwise you're lying! I'm sure no physical harm will come to you but I'm painfully naive.

For me this isn't just any old thing that someone may choose not to disclose -- it isn't like refusing to disclose who you voted for in the last election, your political views, or your financial goals in life. Like it or not, it isn't just the gender of a potential partner that is important for many individual entering into a relationship, but also the biological sex that the individual was born with.

Informed consent is rather critical in any situation where someone is entering into a relationship especially where gender and sex are concerned, and I can't reconcile withholding this important information without some strong legal ramifications against the individual who did the withholding.

m0zart

There are legal ramifications. I remember a UK case where a man withheld the fact he had HIV and had sex with two women. They granted consent but said had they know he had HIV, they would not have consented. His defense was that he asked if they wanted to use a condom and since they said no he assumed that they accepted all the risk that comes with unprotected sex (this was an ingenious defense and that lawyer should get a clap) but he was still convicted anyway.

Fact is, replace Aids with transgendered and you would have the same scenario and I assume you could be brought to court for rape by deception.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

Pixel-Pirate

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

I'll bite, the people should keep it to themselves until they feel the situation calls for it. People don't go around telling others they are jewish, musilm, christian, liberal, republican, moderate, or whatever so the same logic should apply here. Regardless it would be be really nice to know before hitting bed because that is just gonna cause all sorts of problems, now I don't have an issue with it (I see them as who they are now as opposed to who they were) but not everyone is so liberal in that regard.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh great, so being a person grants you whatever rights you fancy.

SolidSnake35

Certainly until there is a legitimate reason of removing or limiting said rights.

What is your reason?

Nice deflection.

It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

There are so many things wrong here with this sentence that it is staggering.

Why should the jews be allowed to exist?

Or homosexuals?

Or black people?

Or the mentally retarded?

Answer: They are people. Genocide is frowned upon (Hint: It's why Hitler is considered a bad man.)

toast_burner

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]So why dont they deserve to live and why do you?GreySeal9

I don't think toast_burner is arguing against the notion that a transsexual should be honest about who they are. I'm pretty sure he's arguing against SolidSnake's assertion that transsexuals shouldn't be allowed to exist as transsexuals.

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

For me this isn't just any old thing that someone may choose not to disclose -- it isn't like refusing to disclose who you voted for in the last election, your political views, or your financial goals in life. Like it or not, it isn't just the gender of a potential partner that is important for many individual entering into a relationship, but also the biological sex that the individual was born with.

Informed consent is rather critical in any situation where someone is entering into a relationship especially where gender and sex are concerned, and I can't reconcile withholding this important information without some strong legal ramifications against the individual who did the withholding.

Espada12

There are legal ramifications. I remember a UK case where a man withheld the fact he had HIV and had sex with two women. They granted consent but said had they know he had HIV, they would not have consented. His defense was that he asked if they wanted to use a condom and since they said no he assumed that they accepted all the risk that comes with unprotected sex (this was an ingenious defense and that lawyer should get a clap) but he was still convicted anyway.

Fact is, replace Aids with transgendered and you would have the same scenario and I assume you could be brought to court for rape by deception.

It's not quite the same thing. HIV is a serious, potentially deadly, affliction that can be spread from person to person via sex. Being transgendered is not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]So why dont they deserve to live and why do you?GreySeal9

I don't think toast_burner is arguing against the notion that a transsexual should be honest about who they are. I'm pretty sure he's arguing against SolidSnake's assertion that transsexuals shouldn't be allowed to exist as transsexuals.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

If the issue is "I will have a huge fit if I found out I was attracted to a transgender and went on a no contact date with them!" then yes, yes it can be.

Pixel-Pirate

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I believe there are laws dictating that if you have AIDS you have to disclose it first prior to entering into a physical relationship with someone, and I believe this should be the same with transgenders as well. Luckily I am married so this is not something I have to worry about, but if I was still out there I would be more than pissed to find out *after* having sex with someone that they weren't actually a woman. It's not shallow, it's not ignorance, it's biology. I believe gays and transgenders have the right to exist openly and I don't care if they marry, but tricking a heterosexual into thinking you are something you are not toes the line of fraud for me. Any violence that occurs after such a betrayal is warranted, in my book.Renevent42

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

Seriously sounds like you have issues

It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

You should probably read the rest of my posts.

MrGeezer

I read them, and they're still nonsense.

If you EVER withhold the fact that you're transgendered from the person that you're dating because you think they'll kill you if they find out, then the solution is NOT to keep on dating them while hiding the fact that you're transgendered. The solution is to simply NOT DATE THEM.

What YOU are suggesting, is to deliberately keep on seeing someone who you think is going to murder the **** out of you if they find out who you are. At that point, the problem is that you're dating someone who you think is going to murder you.

Obviously you either didn't read my post since you missed the post where I suggested maybe a date or two, no physical contact to gauge if they are hostile and breakign off if you think they are. If you think they're going to be okay with it then you should deffinetly tell before going further.

I never said nor support what you're saying I did.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] "Can that be applied to all the negativity transsexuals face when it comes to being upfront? Personally their problem, to be honest?" I meant that. Went to edit it, but edited too late. I meant transsexuals needing to keep it a secret during a date in the first place. Personally, every single girl I know is perfectly aware anyone I date I am going for the long haul, aiming for a permanent family. So I doubt I ever have to worry about the issue with my elitist standards.LJS9502_basic

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

MasterC5

Seriously sound like you have issues

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I believe there are laws dictating that if you have AIDS you have to disclose it first prior to entering into a physical relationship with someone, and I believe this should be the same with transgenders as well. Luckily I am married so this is not something I have to worry about, but if I was still out there I would be more than pissed to find out *after* having sex with someone that they weren't actually a woman. It's not shallow, it's not ignorance, it's biology. I believe gays and transgenders have the right to exist openly and I don't care if they marry, but tricking a heterosexual into thinking you are something you are not toes the line of fraud for me. Any violence that occurs after such a betrayal is warranted, in my book.Renevent42

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

My mistake, you condone violence in certain instances. That doesn't make it better, sir.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.SolidSnake35

If you're not willing to list those reasons then you evidently don't have good reasons or you don't feel very strongly about them.

This is by far the most bizarre question I've seen get it's own thread here on Gamespot. Ever. But to answer the question, as a man who loves women I would feel shocked, disturbed and utterly repulsed if a 'tranny' was trying to hook up with me and never told me what they were. Or what they used to be. It's dishonest I personally would feel violated and completely repulsed by the shocking discovery of truth. Speaking theoretically in this scenario, by the way. In short, I'd feel violated. That's just my take on the whole issue. You don't have to agree with me!

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.SolidSnake35

What ethical reasons?

And why should your personal ethics have any bearing on the actions of other people?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] "Can that be applied to all the negativity transsexuals face when it comes to being upfront? Personally their problem, to be honest?" I meant that. Went to edit it, but edited too late. I meant transsexuals needing to keep it a secret during a date in the first place. Personally, every single girl I know is perfectly aware anyone I date I am going for the long haul, aiming for a permanent family. So I doubt I ever have to worry about the issue with my elitist standards.LJS9502_basic

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

This post sums up exactly why transgendered people should not run up and tell everyone who they were.

This post here condones violence, for instance. This is a common position. Saying transgendered people should walk up to people like this who condone acts of violence against them is foolish at best and malicious at worst.

Pixel-Pirate

My mistake, you condone violence in certain instances. That doesn't make it better, sir.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

Pixel-Pirate

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dude this is totally different. No.....no one should be abused because of who they are. But you should be upfront with potential mates. This isn't a minor issue. And if the person doesn't accept that...it's better for both to move along to find new mates.LJS9502_basic

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's quite obvious that you don't have any sensible reason.toast_burner

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

MasterC5

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

MasterC5

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] I don't condone violence against transgender people as a rule or in general...don't take my words out of context. I have gay friends and if a transgender came up to me and told me they were once a man I'd say good for you and maybe buy them a beer. If, however, they led me on to believe they were female and we had sex and only until after did they tell me, I would be furious and rightfully so. Renevent42

My mistake, you condone violence in certain instances. That doesn't make it better, sir.

The law doesn't make exceptions for crimes of passion. It's still a crime and you're still punished for it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

MasterC5

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

For me this isn't just any old thing that someone may choose not to disclose -- it isn't like refusing to disclose who you voted for in the last election, your political views, or your financial goals in life. Like it or not, it isn't just the gender of a potential partner that is important for many individual entering into a relationship, but also the biological sex that the individual was born with.

Informed consent is rather critical in any situation where someone is entering into a relationship especially where gender and sex are concerned, and I can't reconcile withholding this important information without some strong legal ramifications against the individual who did the withholding.

worlock77

There are legal ramifications. I remember a UK case where a man withheld the fact he had HIV and had sex with two women. They granted consent but said had they know he had HIV, they would not have consented. His defense was that he asked if they wanted to use a condom and since they said no he assumed that they accepted all the risk that comes with unprotected sex (this was an ingenious defense and that lawyer should get a clap) but he was still convicted anyway.

Fact is, replace Aids with transgendered and you would have the same scenario and I assume you could be brought to court for rape by deception.

It's not quite the same thing. HIV is a serious, potentially deadly, affliction that can be spread from person to person via sex. Being transgendered is not.

The point isn't about the deadliness about HIV, it's about gaining consent by omitting details about yourself. Omission can be deception and had the other person known you were a transsexual, and would not have granted consent based on those grounds, you would be deceiving them especially since you know that many people won't grant consent based on that (much like HIV).

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] I don't condone violence against transgender people as a rule or in general...don't take my words out of context. I have gay friends and if a transgender came up to me and told me they were once a man I'd say good for you and maybe buy them a beer. If, however, they led me on to believe they were female and we had sex and only until after did they tell me, I would be furious and rightfully so. Renevent42

My mistake, you condone violence in certain instances. That doesn't make it better, sir.

I consider it the same and would hope you'd be put in prison if you ever did such a thing. Hopefully for a long time.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Ethical reasons are good enough for myself.SolidSnake35

I've been on hormones for 11 months, and I'm happier then I've ever been, what makes you think I'd be better off just dealing with it?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Yes. As can negativity black men face with skin heads or homosexuals face with homophobes.

Pixel-Pirate

And if they are violent like a skin head would be to a black person and assault or murder you as soon as they find out they were attracted to a transgender person, well, that's okay!

That is why people have to be discriminating about who they approach.

A transsexual should try their damnest to approach people who they can tell are open to the idea of dating a transsexual and there are ways of doing that.