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I don't understand how various groups are blaming Florida's stand your ground law for the ruling. The defense didn't even use stand your ground as part of their case. Even if Florida didn't have a stand your ground law the verdict would have been the same. As far as the jurors ruling was concerned, Zimmerman was unable to fulfill his duty to retreat because he was pinned down. In fact, the defense could have had a stand your ground hearing to prevent the entire case if they wanted to. The stand your ground law actually had very little to do with the verdict.
WhiteKnight77
This was a case of self defense pure and simple. It is unfortunate people do not see it that way.
Because things arent as black and white as you want them to be[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]
I don't understand how various groups are blaming Florida's stand your ground law for the ruling. The defense didn't even use stand your ground as part of their case. Even if Florida didn't have a stand your ground law the verdict would have been the same. As far as the jurors ruling was concerned, Zimmerman was unable to fulfill his duty to retreat because he was pinned down. In fact, the defense could have had a stand your ground hearing to prevent the entire case if they wanted to. The stand your ground law actually had very little to do with the verdict.
Capitan_Kid
This was a case of self defense pure and simple. It is unfortunate people do not see it that way.
Because things arent as black and white as you want them to beNo, it's due to people wanting to read more into it than it really was.Â
Because things arent as black and white as you want them to be[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
This was a case of self defense pure and simple. It is unfortunate people do not see it that way.
WhiteKnight77
No, it's due to people wanting to read more into it than it really was.Â
This, anyone who has taken any type of law course in their life, can see the case from the start was a utter joke. No evindence no nothing. If you actually expected Zimmerman to get convicted you need to learn how the US Justice system works. You can't put a man in jail, without proving he did it, and the state of florida failed on so many levelsÂ
I know this post will set off a shitstorm.
Juror says Zimmerman had a right to defend himself in altercation with Trayvon Martin and intends to write a book. I can't say for sure, but I would lay even odds she just uses her juror number, B37.Â
A juror in the George Zimmerman trial said Monday that the actions of the neighborhood watch volunteer and Trayvon Martin both led to the teenagers fatal shooting last year, but that Zimmerman didnt actually break the law.
The woman known as Juror B37 told CNNs Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman made some poor decisions leading up to the shooting, but that Martin wasnt innocent either.I think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into, said the juror, who is planning to write a book about the trial. I think they both could have walked away.
The juror said Sanford Police Detective Chris Serino made a big impression on her, because he would have been accustomed to dealing with murders and similar cases. He would have known how to spot a liar, and yet he testified that he believed Zimmerman, the juror said.
Legal analysts agreed that Serinos testimony was a blow to the states case.
The juror was not impressed by the testimony of Rachel Jeantel, who was talking with Martin by cellphone moments before he was fatally shot by Zimmerman in February, 2012.
 I didnt think it was very credible, but I felt very sorry for her, the juror said. She didnt want to be there.When they started looking at the law, the person who initially wanted second-degree murder changed her vote to manslaughter. Then they asked for clarification from the judge and kept going over it again and again. B37 said some jurors wanted to find Zimmerman guilty of something, but there was just no place to go based on the law,
B37 said jurors cried when they gave their final vote to the bailiff.Linked Article
A juror has spoken and now you know and backs up what people in this thread has been saying all along.Â
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So again, a African American woman fires a warning shot to stop her husband who was threatening her, killing no one she gets 20 years. Zimmerman ( a half white/ half Hispanic man) kills an un armed black teen whom HE FOLLOWED for no reason other than he looked like a criminal ( racial profiling) and walks away a free man. Anyone see the problem here? Florida is messed up and racist or America in general. And the whole self defense thing can work both ways. Trayvon was defending himself from a random stranger following him around a neighborhood. And like said before, the outcome of this case would have been entirely different if the races were switched. If Zimmerman was a black man and he shot a un armed white kid he would be in jail no doubts about it. djshowstopper87She got convicted because she left the house and came back in. Once you are away from the situation....the threat dissipates dude.
So again, a African American woman fires a warning shot to stop her husband who was threatening her, killing no one she gets 20 years. Zimmerman ( a half white/ half Hispanic man) kills an un armed black teen whom HE FOLLOWED for no reason other than he looked like a criminal ( racial profiling) and walks away a free man. Anyone see the problem here? Florida is messed up and racist or America in general. And the whole self defense thing can work both ways. Trayvon was defending himself from a random stranger following him around a neighborhood. And like said before, the outcome of this case would have been entirely different if the races were switched. If Zimmerman was a black man and he shot a un armed white kid he would be in jail no doubts about it. djshowstopper87
Ignoring facts, as well as the response of a juror who stated otherwise, is your modis operendi. You fail repeatedly to comprehend what is being said or has been said. Â
Turn on CNN and other cable news stuff, and they are still talking about this stuff. Now that juror b37 stuff is going to further push this circus. dave123321
The jury spoke and she gave the reason why. She stated that the detective's testimony sunk the case. He stated that he didn't want to take this case to trial due to lack of evidence.Â
Jeantel was interviewed by Piers Morgan. She is angry, mad, upset at the verdict. He still has derision in his voice.
I'm interested as to how so many people here know who started the fight. How do y'all know that Zimmerman started the altercation? Is there some evidence that the state didn't bring to trial?thegerg
They are psychic?Â
[QUOTE="dave123321"]Turn on CNN and other cable news stuff, and they are still talking about this stuff. Now that juror b37 stuff is going to further push this circus. WhiteKnight77
The jury spoke and she gave the reason why. She stated that the detective's testimony sunk the case. He stated that he didn't want to take this case to trial due to lack of evidence.Â
I know what I care to know, thanks.Ok how about we do this. Â Anyone who is against the verdict just read this. Â We all know zimmerman was out of the car right? Â Ok we all know that martin confronted zimmerman, right? Ok good. Â Now we all know that neither getting out of the vehicle and confronting somone is not illegal. Â With that being said, do you think in anyway shape or form martin threw first punch or was the agressor when both came face to face? Â If you think that is slighty plausible then the verdict was correct. Â End if story.
he got away with murder, "leaves thread"Ok how about we do this. Â Anyone who is against the verdict just read this. Â We all know zimmerman was out of the car right? Â Ok we all know that martin confronted zimmerman, right? Ok good. Â Now we all know that neither getting out of the vehicle and confronting somone is not illegal. Â With that being said, do you think in anyway shape or form martin threw first punch or was the agressor when both came face to face? Â If you think that is slighty plausible then the verdict was correct. Â End if story.
xscrapzx
[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]he got away with murder, "leaves thread"Ok how about we do this. Â Anyone who is against the verdict just read this. Â We all know zimmerman was out of the car right? Â Ok we all know that martin confronted zimmerman, right? Ok good. Â Now we all know that neither getting out of the vehicle and confronting somone is not illegal. Â With that being said, do you think in anyway shape or form martin threw first punch or was the agressor when both came face to face? Â If you think that is slighty plausible then the verdict was correct. Â End if story.
infinite884
No he didn't. An aquittal means no crime was shown to be committed.Â
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Most people who die from Epidural hematoma don't go to the hospital because the feel fine.Ninja-HippoAnd yet Zimmerman did not die, and did require a hospital stay, and suffered no serious injuries of any kind. Clearly his life was in imminent danger.
To him it was, and that is what matters.
Ok how about we do this. Anyone who is against the verdict just read this. We all know zimmerman was out of the car right? Ok we all know that martin confronted zimmerman, right? Ok good. Now we all know that neither getting out of the vehicle and confronting somone is not illegal. With that being said, do you think in anyway shape or form martin threw first punch or was the agressor when both came face to face? If you think that is slighty plausible then the verdict was correct. End if story.
xscrapzx
I do, and thats why I agree with the verdict.
So again, a African American woman fires a warning shot to stop her husband who was threatening her, killing no one she gets 20 years. Zimmerman ( a half white/ half Hispanic man) kills an un armed black teen whom HE FOLLOWED for no reason other than he looked like a criminal ( racial profiling) and walks away a free man. Anyone see the problem here? Florida is messed up and racist or America in general. And the whole self defense thing can work both ways. Trayvon was defending himself from a random stranger following him around a neighborhood. And like said before, the outcome of this case would have been entirely different if the races were switched. If Zimmerman was a black man and he shot a un armed white kid he would be in jail no doubts about it. djshowstopper87The racial profiling that Zimmerman did was wrong and he should have been fired for it if Martin wasn't doing anything wrong, but Martin made the lethal mistake of attacking Zimmerman out of anger. Zimmerman didn't deserve to be attacked, and he had the right to defend himself, which he did.
Nobody has a right to attack another person regardless of the situation. I don't care if you're black, white, christian, muslim, young, old, man, woman, foriegn, local, rich, poor, republican or democrat-- if you attack me, I have a right to defend myself from those attacks, end of story.
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="nomsayin"]laptops don't have the nice mouse wheel. nomsayinThat's why you buy a mouse. that costs money. money takes time. plus it's really awkward using a mouse when you have a laptop. it seems like it's detached and it's own separate device
Not if it is wired like the ones I use with my laptop.Â
he got away with murder, "leaves thread"[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]
Ok how about we do this. Â Anyone who is against the verdict just read this. Â We all know zimmerman was out of the car right? Â Ok we all know that martin confronted zimmerman, right? Ok good. Â Now we all know that neither getting out of the vehicle and confronting somone is not illegal. Â With that being said, do you think in anyway shape or form martin threw first punch or was the agressor when both came face to face? Â If you think that is slighty plausible then the verdict was correct. Â End if story.
WhiteKnight77
No he didn't. An aquittal means no crime was shown to be committed.Â
knew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, loooool[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="infinite884"]he got away with murder, "leaves thread"infinite884
No he didn't. An aquittal means no crime was shown to be committed.Â
knew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, looooolIf the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
knew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, loooool[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
No he didn't. An aquittal means no crime was shown to be committed.Â
WhiteKnight77
If the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
... whoa, I didn't say anything about race. You doing a pretty good job in showing me your true colors. LOOOLknew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, loooool[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
No he didn't. An aquittal means no crime was shown to be committed.Â
WhiteKnight77
If the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
WhiteKnight how many levevels is that below grand wizard[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="infinite884"]knew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, looooolinfinite884
If the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
... whoa, I didn't say anything about race. You doing a pretty good job in showing me your true colors. LOOOLNo, I am not. I am referring to people aquitted of a crime they were accused of. Two people were accused of murder, both were aquitted and I have no problem with that.Â
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="infinite884"] knew you were going to take the bait, you can't help but defend your precious zimmerman, looooolEmpCom
If the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
WhiteKnight how many levevels is that below grand wizardÂ
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My bird except it was green when I had it.
Just showing your ignorance.
WhiteKnight how many levevels is that below grand wizard[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
If the races were reversed, I would have been just as satisfied with the verdict. I wasn't shocked when OJ was aquitted. Everyone was so sure he committed murder. He very well may have, but it could not be proven. Shows how much you know about me, which really is not much. You think you know me, but you don't.
WhiteKnight77
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My bird except it was green when I had it.
Just showing your ignorance.
Tell 'em.Â
I haven't felt as sick watching TV than watching MSNBC last night. Absolutely no shame and blatant racists.DaBrainz
Don't watch MSNBC. People complain about Fox News, well, MSNBC is the complete polar opposite and worse. Also stay away from HLN. Nancy Grace will make your skin crawl and she used to be a prosecutor. She thinks everyone is guilty no matter what.
MSNBC/Sharpton/etc are KKK level racist against white people.
If a white person had the exact same views expressed on MSNBC, they'd be dressed in a white sheet.
You know its not popular to say, because it is true, but you had alot of people of color applauding the OJ verdict because of the circumstances.   Enough of the lack of equality, if you have a bone to pick, pick it with the Justice system, nothing else.
Well he is half white "shrugs"It was a local tradegy that a young boy died.
Never should have been a national issue.
NY Times picks it up and trumps it as white on black story to further their agenda.
They never mention that Zimmerman was hispanic. Not once.
Protoford
It was a local tradegy that a young boy died.
Never should have been a national issue.
NY Times picks it up and trumps it as white on black story to further their agenda.
They never mention that Zimmerman was hispanic. Not once.
Well he is half white "shrugs" You never see the NY Times call the President half white, do you?He was fine. He required no stay in hospital. You do not pull out a gun and murder a kid because he punched you in the face. I'm just giving my two cents; it's not a battle of facts, it's all perception. I think Zimmerman is a pathetic human being and a coward. He went looking for trouble and when he got it, he pulls out his gun and kills someone. The only fact in this entire story is that the whole affair easily could have been avoided had Zimmerman just let the cops do their job.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]He didn't receive further head trauma because the threat was eliminated. WhiteKnight77
The pictures I posted and pointed out as well as others show where his injuries are. There are multiple bruises and contusions on his head. Again, one does not have to sustain any injury to feel that their life is in danger. The simple fact of saying "you gonna to die tonight motherf***er" is a threat to one's life which can be defended against.
For future reference; just jump into a conversation at it's current point, going back over pages of comments and quoting every single one of them with your personal rebuttal is kind of ass hatish. Heads up.It was a local tradegy that a young boy died.
Never should have been a national issue.
NY Times picks it up and trumps it as white on black story to further their agenda.
They never mention that Zimmerman was hispanic. Not once.
Well he is half white "shrugs" You never see the NY Times call the President half white, do you? naw dawgs, Obama is a brothaThis was never about race in the first place, there was absolutely ZERO evidence race was ever a part of the case or what transpired. It was elements in the black community and the national race baiters (usual suspects) who made it into a racial issue. Of course you also have the over emotional irrational white apologist element as well...but yeah.
So again, a African American woman fires a warning shot to stop her husband who was threatening her, killing no one she gets 20 years. Zimmerman ( a half white/ half Hispanic man) kills an un armed black teen whom HE FOLLOWED for no reason other than he looked like a criminal ( racial profiling) and walks away a free man. Anyone see the problem here? Florida is messed up and racist or America in general. And the whole self defense thing can work both ways. Trayvon was defending himself from a random stranger following him around a neighborhood. And like said before, the outcome of this case would have been entirely different if the races were switched. If Zimmerman was a black man and he shot a un armed white kid he would be in jail no doubts about it. djshowstopper87
You should read up on that case a bit more. She violated her parole and had gone back with a gun. There was no self defense about that. You're also never supposed to fire warning shots. You either shoot to stop an aggressor by hitting them or you don't shoot. Never ever fire warning shots. This isn't a movie, those bullets aren't going to just magically stop when they miss their target. It's extremely dangerous to fire warning shots even into the ground.
You would lose your C&C license and probably face jail time if you did that.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]For future reference; just jump into a conversation at it's current point, going back over pages of comments and quoting every single one of them with your personal rebuttal is kind of ass hatish. Heads up.The pictures I posted and pointed out as well as others show where his injuries are. There are multiple bruises and contusions on his head. Again, one does not have to sustain any injury to feel that their life is in danger. The simple fact of saying "you gonna to die tonight motherf***er" is a threat to one's life which can be defended against.
Ninja-Hippo
Unlike most of OT, I don't just jump in the middle of a thread without knowing what has or hasn't been discussed. You came in and rehashed everything that had been discussed since the verdict was read with the same arguments that everyone else has already made and who have repeatedly disgregarded the evidence. That is even more ass hatish if you really get down to it. From what I understand, you wanted to be a lawyer. If that is true, well, disregarding evidence can get your clients put in jail or if you are a prosecutor, off the hook.
Unlike you, I have read every page and every post of this thread. Can you say the same?Â
For future reference; just jump into a conversation at it's current point, going back over pages of comments and quoting every single one of them with your personal rebuttal is kind of ass hatish. Heads up.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
The pictures I posted and pointed out as well as others show where his injuries are. There are multiple bruises and contusions on his head. Again, one does not have to sustain any injury to feel that their life is in danger. The simple fact of saying "you gonna to die tonight motherf***er" is a threat to one's life which can be defended against.
WhiteKnight77
Unlike most of OT, I don't just jump in the middle of a thread without knowing what has or hasn't been discussed. You came in and rehashed everything that had been discussed since the verdict was read with the same arguments that everyone else has already made and who have repeatedly disgregarded the evidence. That is even more ass hatish if you really get down to it. From what I understand, you wanted to be a lawyer. If that is true, well, disregarding evidence can get your clients put in jail or if you are a prosecutor, off the hook.
Unlike you, I have read every page and every post of this thread. Can you do the same?Â
dude let it go, case is over. What are you seriously trying to accomplish here? You aren't going to change anyone's mind. You're just wasting your time. This thread should honestly be locked now because its turned into a riot itself.For future reference; just jump into a conversation at it's current point, going back over pages of comments and quoting every single one of them with your personal rebuttal is kind of ass hatish. Heads up.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
The pictures I posted and pointed out as well as others show where his injuries are. There are multiple bruises and contusions on his head. Again, one does not have to sustain any injury to feel that their life is in danger. The simple fact of saying "you gonna to die tonight motherf***er" is a threat to one's life which can be defended against.
WhiteKnight77
Unlike most of OT, I don't just jump in the middle of a thread without knowing what has or hasn't been discussed. You came in and rehashed everything that had been discussed since the verdict was read with the same arguments that everyone else has already made and who have repeatedly disgregarded the evidence. That is even more ass hatish if you really get down to it. From what I understand, you wanted to be a lawyer. If that is true, well, disregarding evidence can get your clients put in jail or if you are a prosecutor, off the hook.
Unlike you, I have read every page and every post of this thread. Can you do the same?Â
Dude I'm just saying, don't chain post just quoting one post after another when those posts were made way, way, way before you entered the conversation. The conversation does not re-start when you show up. You were quoting things one after the other which had already been addressed. The very thing you were saying had already been discussed with other people. Should I repeat myself just for you? Just read the thread. Dont jump in 10 pages behind and take it from there, that's ridiculous. Or do whatever the **** you wanna do, whuddo I care. I already am a lawyer (albeit in no way criminal), but I appreciate the condescension and would advise you to learn to establish the difference between a person's views on a situation from a moral perspective and the actual factual proceedings of a trial and possibility of conviction. No I have not read every page and every post of this 203 page, nor do I ever intend to do so. Had you done so, why would you quote and respond to posts I'd already addressed later on with others? Or do you quote, reply and THEN read? You've got your order of doing things all out of wack there sonny.Please Log In to post.
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