Do you believe the not guilty verdict for Zimmerman is just? UPDATE: NOT GUILTY

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]I would like to see pictures of TM's fists/knuckles/hands. I think they wrestled more than anything. Both put their hands on each other but one had the gun.Flubbbs

you dont have to see pictures of his hands.. you can see pictures of zimmermans face

I was a boxer and did MMA as a pro and I call bullshit. Even a pro getting punched in the face while being mounted is hard to deal with. No way can you pull a gun from the bottom where the persons leg on top is. Then get off a round and it goes thru the left side of TM's chest in a perfectly flat tragectory. Then suddenly stop yelling for help and get up with no grass stains or any stains on your back in a "life or death" struggle.

I personally think based on the story it was a mistake. GZ surprised TM and got TM to the ground . GZ was on top of TM then pulled out his gun and put it on TM's chest. GM had one in the hole on a double action gun with his finger on the trigger. TM was on the bottom scared shitless yelling and trying to get free and the gun went off.

[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]I would like to see pictures of TM's fists/knuckles/hands. I think they wrestled more than anything. Both put their hands on each other but one had the gun.no-scope-AK47

you dont have to see pictures of his hands.. you can see pictures of zimmermans face

I was a boxer and did MMA as a pro and I call bullshit. Even a pro getting punched in the face while being mounted is hard to deal with. No way can you pull a gun from the bottom where the persons leg on top is. Then get off a round and it goes thru the left side of TM's chest in a perfectly flat tragectory. Then suddenly stop yelling for help and get up with no grass stains or any stains on your back in a "life or death" struggle.

I personally think based on the story it was a mistake. GZ surprised TM and got TM to the ground . GZ was on top of TM then pulled out his gun and put it on TM's chest. GM had one in the hole on a double action gun with his finger on the trigger. TM was on the bottom scared shitless yelling and trying to get free and the gun went off.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SandwichLord"]

That's definitely an uphill battle for the prosecution since Martin is dead and there are no real witnesses. But I think being followed in the middle of the night by a man much larger than you that's wielding a gun is pretty damn scary :?

SandwichLord

Well, a bullet can travel faster than the speed of sound, much faster than any human can run. If you fear you are going to be shot and killed, you may decide you have a better chance at living by trying to take the gun away from the attacker, or incapacitate him, rather than running away. Also, fear can drive you to act irrationally; Zimmerman may not have been a threat, but if Martin was afraid, lashing out is perfectly reasonable...

If Martin was afraid, he should have ended his call with the illiterate girl and called the cops. He also just didn't drop the phone prior to the struggle from the way the illiterate girl testified. Either way, it is speculation on both our parts, but the fact is, he had the ability to call the cops if he was that worried or afraid of the "creepy ass cracker" that was following him and he didn't. 

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[QUOTE="gago-gago"]I would like to see pictures of TM's fists/knuckles/hands. I think they wrestled more than anything. Both put their hands on each other but one had the gun.no-scope-AK47

you dont have to see pictures of his hands.. you can see pictures of zimmermans face

I was a boxer and did MMA as a pro and I call bullshit. Even a pro getting punched in the face while being mounted is hard to deal with. No way can you pull a gun from the bottom where the persons leg on top is. Then get off a round and it goes thru the left side of TM's chest in a perfectly flat tragectory. Then suddenly stop yelling for help and get up with no grass stains or any stains on your back in a "life or death" struggle.

I personally think based on the story it was a mistake. GZ surprised TM and got TM to the ground . GZ was on top of TM then pulled out his gun and put it on TM's chest. GM had one in the hole on a double action gun with his finger on the trigger. TM was on the bottom scared shitless yelling and trying to get free and the gun went off.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]Stand you ground doesn't give you the legal right to physically assault someone who creeps you out. Some of you really need to think about what you say before you write it.Aclar00_basic

At the end of the day we don't know if Zimmerman or Trayvon was the aggressor.. In all honesty I could think of a variety of scenarios where either one could be.

1) Zimmerman followed Trayvon, Trayvon became scared and decided to attack his follower before something happened to him.

2) Zimmerman followed Trayvon, upset with recenltly burglaries and atttacked Trayvon. FOr instance, grabbed him, pushed him or punched him.

Not alleging Zimmerman's guild, but what lots of people seemto not pay attention to is that getting your ass kicked does not mean you are a victim. Would a school bully who attacked a quiet unassuming kid on the playground be a victim if he taunted and attacked him first, but then got his ass handed to him?

If Trayvon Martin was so scared, why didn't he hang up the phone and call the police himself?  

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[QUOTE="Flubbbs"]

you dont have to see pictures of his hands.. you can see pictures of zimmermans face

LJS9502_basic

I was a boxer and did MMA as a pro and I call bullshit. Even a pro getting punched in the face while being mounted is hard to deal with. No way can you pull a gun from the bottom where the persons leg on top is. Then get off a round and it goes thru the left side of TM's chest in a perfectly flat tragectory. Then suddenly stop yelling for help and get up with no grass stains or any stains on your back in a "life or death" struggle.

I personally think based on the story it was a mistake. GZ surprised TM and got TM to the ground . GZ was on top of TM then pulled out his gun and put it on TM's chest. GM had one in the hole on a double action gun with his finger on the trigger. TM was on the bottom scared shitless yelling and trying to get free and the gun went off.

Also GZ did not go to the Doctor or even need a stich or get any pain meds. Yet GZ claimed he was in a life of death struggle and was losing so badly he had no choice but to use his gun to end the threat.

The reality is TM *did* have abrasions to his hand, and Z had a bloodied nose and gashes on the back of his head. The evidence clearly points to those injuries being caused by TM. That doesn't say who started the fight or anything and if Z is still guilty or not, but the line of reasoning you are going down is pure ignorance and stupidity.Renevent42

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]The reality is TM *did* have abrasions to his hand, and Z had a bloodied nose and gashes on the back of his head. The evidence clearly points to those injuries being caused by TM. That doesn't say who started the fight or anything and if Z is still guilty or not, but the line of reasoning you are going down is pure ignorance and stupidity.no-scope-AK47

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

Show us where Zimmerman was posing for pictures while the cops were already on their way due to his 911 call about Martin to begin with? 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]The reality is TM *did* have abrasions to his hand, and Z had a bloodied nose and gashes on the back of his head. The evidence clearly points to those injuries being caused by TM. That doesn't say who started the fight or anything and if Z is still guilty or not, but the line of reasoning you are going down is pure ignorance and stupidity.no-scope-AK47

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]The reality is TM *did* have abrasions to his hand, and Z had a bloodied nose and gashes on the back of his head. The evidence clearly points to those injuries being caused by TM. That doesn't say who started the fight or anything and if Z is still guilty or not, but the line of reasoning you are going down is pure ignorance and stupidity.WhiteKnight77

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

Show us where Zimmerman was posing for pictures while the cops were already on their way due to his 911 call about Martin to begin with? 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

no-scope-AK47

Show us where Zimmerman was posing for pictures while the cops were already on their way due to his 911 call about Martin to begin with? 

So you are assuming that Zimmerman was purposely posing for pictures? You know what that means right? 

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]The reality is TM *did* have abrasions to his hand, and Z had a bloodied nose and gashes on the back of his head. The evidence clearly points to those injuries being caused by TM. That doesn't say who started the fight or anything and if Z is still guilty or not, but the line of reasoning you are going down is pure ignorance and stupidity.Renevent42

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Show us where Zimmerman was posing for pictures while the cops were already on their way due to his 911 call about Martin to begin with? 

WhiteKnight77

So you are assuming that Zimmerman was purposely posing for pictures? You know what that means right? 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

no-scope-AK47

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

what caliber did you use? 9mm. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. asian guy is awesome

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]ust out of morbid curiosity, are you suggesting the Z punched himself in the face and slammed his own head against the concrete? Not to mention the fact that even if you want to argue witness testimony, there multiple witnesses who saw them fighting and the only eye-witness to clearly identify the men saw TM on top of Z raining down punches? Also TM's pants had grass stains on the knees, further reinforcing that he was on top straddling him. Look, you can believe there's certain situations (like who started the fight, etc) that would cause you to think Z is guilty, that's fairly reasonable, but what you are saying right now is pure stupidity caused by willful ignorance.no-scope-AK47

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

So you were there to see what happened? Why are you not on the witness stand? 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

no-scope-AK47

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

Wow...way to prove you are in fact an ignoramus.

The scary thing is reading the comment section on sites like CNN and such it's pretty clear this kind of stupidity makes up a large chunk of the "burn Zimmerman!" crowd.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This creepy ass "cracka" gets to follow around people with one in the head ??

Then gets in a fist fight with a boy he got by 40 pounds and he is a man in shape and took MMA for almost 2 years.

A concealed gun permit does not give you the right to follow then confront people walking down the road. It is force on force I can't start a fight and get then beat up then shoot people. The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south.

no-scope-AK47

We don't let minorities in our club, pal.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This creepy ass "cracka" gets to follow around people with one in the head ??

Then gets in a fist fight with a boy he got by 40 pounds and he is a man in shape and took MMA for almost 2 years.

A concealed gun permit does not give you the right to follow then confront people walking down the road. It is force on force I can't start a fight and get then beat up then shoot people. The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

Watch the trial. What appeared to be a asian guy took pictures of GZ with his cell phone using a flash light before the police got there. Neither of them attempted to give medical aid to TM. It was 5 mins later when the police got there there rolled TM over and gave him CPR.

no-scope-AK47

So you are assuming that Zimmerman was purposely posing for pictures? You know what that means right? 

Link? 

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

A stratch on one hand with no DNA of GZ. Also GZ claimed TM went for his gun and no DNA of TM on the gun or holster ??

After GZ shoots TM he does NOT call 911 or do CPR. What does he do while waiting for the police he poses for pictures while TM is dying in the grass.

no-scope-AK47

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Just out of morbid curiosity, are you suggesting the Z punched himself in the face and slammed his own head against the concrete? Not to mention the fact that even if you want to argue witness testimony, there multiple witnesses who saw them fighting and the only eye-witness to clearly identify the men saw TM on top of Z raining down punches? Also TM's pants had grass stains on the knees, further reinforcing that he was on top straddling him. Look, you can believe there's certain situations (like who started the fight, etc) that would cause you to think Z is guilty, that's fairly reasonable, but what you are saying right now is pure stupidity caused by willful ignorance.Person0

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

no-scope-AK47

Zimmerman claims his head was being smashed into concrete, anyone would be in fear of their life or great bodily harm if their head was repeatedly smashed into concrete.

Just because someone is unarmed does not mean they can't kill/seriously injure you...

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[QUOTE="Person0"] IF you are in fear of your life or grievous bodily harm. Following someone ain't illegal.

Person0

Zimmerman claims his head was being smashed into concrete, anyone would be in fear of their life or great bodily harm if their head was repeatedly smashed into concrete.

Just because someone is unarmed does not mean they can't kill/seriously injure you...

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

no-scope-AK47

If someone assualts you, whether with a gun, knife, of fists & you believe your life or another's is in danger you have the right to defend yourself (in most states & Florida is one of those states).

TM was being followed by an armed person with a criminal record of assault and a history of violence, and neighborhood vengance vigilante malice motivation. Any person who was confronted by GZ wouldn't have got out the confrontation alive.gago-gago

Provide proof of said record. Being charged does not prove that any there were any convictions for those charges to crate a record. You keep making claims and fail to answer questions given to you. I see you as nothing but a troll. 

He should be charged with criminal stupid. His stupidity, and his stupidity alone, is the reason Martin is dead. If George Zimmerman was not a brain dead twat, that kid would still be alive. The police said back off, and he should have done just that. If he had, he would still be in the same neighborhood, enjoying his spare time phoning the police every single time a black person entered his neighborhood. I'll say it again, George Zimmerman is a f*cking idiot.

Randolph

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[QUOTE="Renevent42"] Just out of morbid curiosity, are you suggesting the Z punched himself in the face and slammed his own head against the concrete? Not to mention the fact that even if you want to argue witness testimony, there multiple witnesses who saw them fighting and the only eye-witness to clearly identify the men saw TM on top of Z raining down punches? Also TM's pants had grass stains on the knees, further reinforcing that he was on top straddling him. Look, you can believe there's certain situations (like who started the fight, etc) that would cause you to think Z is guilty, that's fairly reasonable, but what you are saying right now is pure stupidity caused by willful ignorance.Nibroc420

So let me see if I get this right. You can shoot people if you are losing a fight to a unarmed attacker that you have 40 pounds on after you follow them :roll:

GZ was in shape and 205 lbs doing MMA training and TM was 158 lbs.  Also GZ had grown man power while TM had teen power with NO formal training.

So if I stalk someone,start a fight and get my ass whoop,I can kill them ?Bucked20

And yet he still got has ass beat 'teen power' and weight advantage and all.. All that has no bearing on this case...the merits of the case do not depend on whether or not you think Zimmerman was a MMA level athlete or if TM was a wimpy kid. It's going to be based on primarily who the jury believes started the physical altercation and if Zimmerman had reason to believe his life was in danger.

Forgetting who started the fight for now, because no one knows for sure, the fact is Zimmerman was being beaten badly and there's physical evidence to prove it.

BTW, I knew plenty of kids in highschool who would have absoultely rocked someone like Zimmerman.  At 17 male teenagers can be just as strong as an adult, especially ones who do things like play football.

Witness for the prosecution testified today that he saw TM on top of GZ before the shooting:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

(CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.

In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman wasthe person yelling for help.

Witness for the prosecution testified today that he saw TM on top of GZ before the shooting:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

(CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.

In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman wasthe person yelling for help.

FastEddie2121

Saw this earlier...I don't even understand how the prosecution believed this was a good witness for them, if anything it bolsters the defense account of the story.

[QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]

Witness for the prosecution testified today that he saw TM on top of GZ before the shooting:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

(CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.

In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman wasthe person yelling for help.

Renevent42

Saw this earlier...I don't even understand how the prosecution believed this was a good witness for them, if anything it bolsters the defense account of the story.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] IF you are in fear of your life or grievous bodily harm. Following someone ain't illegal.

dercoo

If someone assualts you, whether with a gun, knife, of fists & you believe your life or another's is in danger you have the right to defend yourself (in most states & Florida is one of those states).

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] I have a CCW and you can NOT shoot a person just because you got into a fight. Now if you have a weapon I can shoot you. Anybody drives around with one in the head on a double action gun is a idiot also.

no-scope-AK47

If someone assualts you, whether with a gun, knife, of fists & you believe your life or another's is in danger you have the right to defend yourself (in most states & Florida is one of those states).

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south." What does that have to do with this story? Neither person involved was white.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]

Witness for the prosecution testified today that he saw TM on top of GZ before the shooting:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

(CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.

In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman wasthe person yelling for help.

FastEddie2121

Saw this earlier...I don't even understand how the prosecution believed this was a good witness for them, if anything it bolsters the defense account of the story.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] George is a WHITE hispanic male.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

If someone assualts you, whether with a gun, knife, of fists & you believe your life or another's is in danger you have the right to defend yourself (in most states & Florida is one of those states).

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] GZ was not and old woman being beat on by a big man. He was the larger man facing a much smaller boy. They will tell you in the CCW class I went with my girl to (I was exempt being in the military) they said you can NOT shoot a unarmed person in a fight. I have mu gun on me and three guys surround me talking shit I can't just shoot them. A guy punches me in the face I can't shoot them. I can't even flash my gun or I will be in trouble.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] GZ was not and old woman being beat on by a big man. He was the larger man facing a much smaller boy. They will tell you in the CCW class I went with my girl to (I was exempt being in the military) they said you can NOT shoot a unarmed person in a fight. I have mu gun on me and three guys surround me talking shit I can't just shoot them. A guy punches me in the face I can't shoot them. I can't even flash my gun or I will be in trouble.

no-scope-AK47