Do you believe the not guilty verdict for Zimmerman is just? UPDATE: NOT GUILTY

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

Oh boy late to the thread! Been watching the case the past 2 days and boy is it entertaining! The judge is corrupt and is  clearly helping the state. Strange that every witness the state brings in is actually helping the defense's case! Creepy ass white kill my neighbors CRACKER- **** I burst out in laughter! 19 going on 20 ,about to start 12th grade,cannot read, and drunk on lean.Every other state "witness" hasn't seen shit ( just heard voices and gun shot ( one claims 3 shots :)  ) One lady even says  GZ  could have been calling for help after seeing  his injuries. Sexy latina says he looked concerned. Every witness matches with Zimmerman's story.

If you look at the evidence he is clearly NOT GUILTY! 

News media is telling lies and acting like its been a slam dunk for the state and claiming that there is so much evidence against Zimmerman . They obviously want a riot to happen.  

People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

lostrib

well I don't think the state even wanted to charge Zimmerman in the first place

They didn't, but some civil rights activists put pressure on the state to do something. Bunch of whiners seriously. They should do more to try and do more to get illiterates such as the one on the stand today to pay more attention in school and to get an education, even if the school system isn't the greatest. There are people who do such a thing, go on to college and make something of themselves, but she is a classic example of one who only has one thing on her mind. Bill cosby is right.

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People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

consoletroll

Pretty confused reaction considering that Zimmerman is hispanic.  

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

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People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

Commander-Gree

Pretty confused reaction considering that Zimmerman is hispanic.  

People are so blinded by hatred over this, they do not care about that one little fact. As far as they are concerned, Zimmerman is white. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="consoletroll"]

Oh boy late to the thread! Been watching the case the past 2 days and boy is it entertaining! The judge is corrupt and is  clearly helping the state. Strange that every witness the state brings in is actually helping the defense's case! Creepy ass white kill my neighbors CRACKER- **** I burst out in laughter! 19 going on 20 ,about to start 12th grade,cannot read, and drunk on lean.Every other state "witness" hasn't seen shit ( just heard voices and gun shot ( one claims 3 shots :)  ) One lady even says  GZ  could have been calling for help after seeing  his injuries. Sexy latina says he looked concerned. Every witness matches with Zimmerman's story.

If you look at the evidence he is clearly NOT GUILTY! 

News media is telling lies and acting like its been a slam dunk for the state and claiming that there is so much evidence against Zimmerman . They obviously want a riot to happen.  

People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

WhiteKnight77

well I don't think the state even wanted to charge Zimmerman in the first place

They didn't, but some civil rights activists put pressure on the state to do something. Bunch of whiners seriously. They should do more to try and do more to get illiterates such as the one on the stand today to pay more attention in school and to get an education, even if the school system isn't the greatest. There are people who do such a thing, go on to college and make something of themselves, but she is a classic example of one who only has one thing on her mind. Bill cosby is right.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

well I don't think the state even wanted to charge Zimmerman in the first place

Marth6781

They didn't, but some civil rights activists put pressure on the state to do something. Bunch of whiners seriously. They should do more to try and do more to get illiterates such as the one on the stand today to pay more attention in school and to get an education, even if the school system isn't the greatest. There are people who do such a thing, go on to college and make something of themselves, but she is a classic example of one who only has one thing on her mind. Bill cosby is right.

If police do not find that charges are warranted, they do not file them. They did not arrest Zimmerman until civil rights activists made a stink about it, much like some have done for years like Al Sharpton did with the Tawana Brawley case and falsely accused people and still fails to apologize even after he lied and was sued in court for defamation over it. It's one thing to march for the right to vote, it's another totally to falsely accuse someone of crimes they do not commit or do any sort of race baiting as at least Al Sharpton has done and fails to take resposibility for. If there are any riots, blame should rest squarely on his shoulders.

Kind of iffy. It needs to be determined how far Travon walked or ran at Zimmerman if he had to do that at all. Reports say 70 yards. Zimmerman did start it by stalking people and possibly profiling while packing a gun but technically that's not illegal, stupid and dangerous, yes. Win or lose, it's going to be a messy justice. I'll leave it up to the jury.

It is impossible to say 100% what happened.  I'm thinking zimmerman had a chip on his shoulder so he approached Trayvon.  They exchanged some words, both getting on each others nerves, neither backed down.  They probably got in each others faces and eventually Trayvon probably threw a punch.  I'm just saying that because Zimmerman had bruises on his face.  Most likely Trayvon was punching him (not necessarily trying to kill him) and Zimmerman used that as an excuse to shoot him.  If that is all true, then i'd say he was justified although not really "right."

not guilty....and the gal on the stand hurt the victims case

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Where I come from, there are teenagers who tote pistols and will kill you for $20.

 

I haven't paid much attention to this case, so I can't speak on it... but the whole "innocent teenager" thing doesn't fly.

EagleEyedOne

just a note, Trayvon did not have a gun

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

What's sad is that this all could have been avoided had Zimmerman never approached Martin in the first place.

WhiteKnight77

Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his car. That would indicate that he never approached Martin to begin with. 

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]He should have never tried to pursue Trayvon Martin in the first place. Especially when the police said exactly not to. Put his ass in jail. He shot a kid who acted out of being threatened. Trayvon was the real character acting out of self defense.Commander-Gree

When he's acquitted there's gonna be riots.

I fvcking hate the media sometimes.

He should be charged with criminal stupid. His stupidity, and his stupidity alone, is the reason Martin is dead. If George Zimmerman was not a brain dead twat, that kid would still be alive.Randolph

One could just as easily argue that if Treyvon didn't respond to to Zimmerman's concerns with racist degoriorty slurs, followed by a few punches to the face.
We've all seen the police photos. It's pretty clear Treyvon wasn't happy with being questioned and was looking to start something, simply by his reaction on the phone recordings, and by the witness testemony.

The police said back off, and he should have done just that.Randolph

No Police officer told Zimmerman to back off.
A police dispatcher, who does not recieve the same training as a police officer, doesn't have the right to issue a lawful order (where as Judges and Officers can)
This is a huge red herring, as Zimmerman never actually disobeyed a police officer, or a lawful order. Though oddly still it's used to attack him.

If he had, he would still be in the same neighborhood, enjoying his spare time phoning the police every single time a black person entered his neighborhood. I'll say it again, George Zimmerman is a f*cking idiot.

Randolph

Again, twisting the actual situation in an attempt to appeal to emotion.
Reality is, Zimmerman has Black friends, who live in the same neighbourhood as him. Interviews are avalible if you'd like to watch some black folk talk about how friendly and welcoming Zimmerman was when they moved into the neighbourhood.

Again, why do the Zimmerman haters love looking into his past criminal record, but when Police look at Treyvon's recent text message records, it's unreliable or racism?

[QUOTE="Randolph"]

One could just as easily argue that if Treyvon didn't respond to to Zimmerman's concerns with racist degoriorty slurs, followed by a few punches to the face.
We've all seen the police photos. It's pretty clear Treyvon wasn't happy with being questioned and was looking to start something, simply by his reaction on the phone recordings, and by the witness testemony.

 

[QUOTE="Randolph"]The police said back off, and he should have done just that.Nibroc420

No Police officer told Zimmerman to back off.
A police dispatcher, who does not recieve the same training as a police officer, doesn't have the right to issue a lawful order (where as Judges and Officers can)
This is a huge red herring, as Zimmerman never actually disobeyed a police officer, or a lawful order. Though oddly still it's used to attack him.

If he had, he would still be in the same neighborhood, enjoying his spare time phoning the police every single time a black person entered his neighborhood. I'll say it again, George Zimmerman is a f*cking idiot.

Randolph

Again, twisting the actual situation in an attempt to appeal to emotion.
Reality is, Zimmerman has Black friends, who live in the same neighbourhood as him. Interviews are avalible if you'd like to watch some black folk talk about how friendly and welcoming Zimmerman was when they moved into the neighbourhood.

Again, why do the Zimmerman haters love looking into his past criminal record, but when Police look at Treyvon's recent text message records, it's unreliable or racism?

Given your argument you would agree that Zimmerman was looking to start something as wel correct?l I mean given his actions and the 911 call?

I honestly do not know, and I doubt that anyone does beyond a reasonable doubt. Really, the only person who knows for certain is Zimmerman, which really isn't all that helpful. Convicting him of murder seems to be off the table.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

What's sad is that this all could have been avoided had Zimmerman never approached Martin in the first place.

MgamerBD

Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his car. That would indicate that he never approached Martin to begin with. 

I don't think anyone really knows.

Given your argument you would agree that Zimmerman was looking to start something as wel correct?l I mean given his actions and the 911 call?

Aclar00_basic

Sure, although his intent originated from the history of prior break-ins in the neighbourhood, and his suspicion towards Treyvon.
There's no crime in being suspicious.

At this point the prosecution will have a tough time convincing a jury that Zimmerman, within a reasonable doubt, is guilty of 2nd degree murder. Thats a very high threshold for any prosecution to prove and their star witness only made that job for them even more difficult. With all the media hype and racial fires being stoked, I fear things are going to get very ugly when all is said and done. FastEddie2121

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

What's sad is that this all could have been avoided had Zimmerman never approached Martin in the first place.

MgamerBD

Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his car. That would indicate that he never approached Martin to begin with. 

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his car. That would indicate that he never approached Martin to begin with. 

LJS9502_basic

While I'm still a little confused about why Zimmerman decided to chase after him, I don't have an opinion on guilt/innocence.chessmaster1989

Pretty much this.. The only thing I hope is this leads to is the looking at "Stand Your Ground" laws and having them finally struck down some day.. Some of the sh!t that this has pulled on (like the guy chasing down a burglar running away and stabbing him to death was found innocent due to this law) clearly illustrates why this law should never have been passed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] That is such a bs lie and you know it.genfactor

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]While I'm still a little confused about why Zimmerman decided to chase after him, I don't have an opinion on guilt/innocence.sSubZerOo

Pretty much this.. The only thing I hope is this leads to is the looking at "Stand Your Ground" laws and having them finally struck down some day.. Some of the sh!t that this has pulled on (like the guy chasing down a burglar running away and stabbing him to death was found innocent due to this law) clearly illustrates why this law should never have been passed.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]While I'm still a little confused about why Zimmerman decided to chase after him, I don't have an opinion on guilt/innocence.LJS9502_basic

Pretty much this.. The only thing I hope is this leads to is the looking at "Stand Your Ground" laws and having them finally struck down some day.. Some of the sh!t that this has pulled on (like the guy chasing down a burglar running away and stabbing him to death was found innocent due to this law) clearly illustrates why this law should never have been passed.

:| Hence why I said I have no opinions on this specific trial.. Merely that people are finally hearing about stand your ground laws thanks to this trial in which has led to numerous other cases that were ridiculous in how the law was used.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Pretty much this.. The only thing I hope is this leads to is the looking at "Stand Your Ground" laws and having them finally struck down some day.. Some of the sh!t that this has pulled on (like the guy chasing down a burglar running away and stabbing him to death was found innocent due to this law) clearly illustrates why this law should never have been passed.

sSubZerOo

:| Hence why I said I have no opinions on this specific trial.. Merely that people are finally hearing about stand your ground laws thanks to this trial in which has led to numerous other cases that were ridiculous in how the law was used.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This creepy ass "cracka" gets to follow around people with one in the head ??

Then gets in a fist fight with a boy he got by 40 pounds and he is a man in shape and took MMA for almost 2 years.

A concealed gun permit does not give you the right to follow then confront people walking down the road. It is force on force I can't start a fight and get then beat up then shoot people. The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south.

thegerg

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This creepy ass "cracka" gets to follow around people with one in the head ??

Then gets in a fist fight with a boy he got by 40 pounds and he is a man in shape and took MMA for almost 2 years.

A concealed gun permit does not give you the right to follow then confront people walking down the road. It is force on force I can't start a fight and get then beat up then shoot people. The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "The moral is I can do everything wrong, but as long as I am white and it happens to be a young black kid then I have a get out of jail card in the south." What does that have to do with this story? Neither person involved was white.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"] George is a WHITE hispanic male.

no-scope-AK47

Why does "stand your ground" only apply to Zimmerman and not Martin? If a man with a gun followed you and confronted you, isn't fighting him off for fear of your life a natural reaction?SandwichLord

have to prove he was in fear for his life

Why does "stand your ground" only apply to Zimmerman and not Martin? If a man with a gun followed you and confronted you, isn't fighting him off for fear of your life a natural reaction?SandwichLord

There's no evidence Zimmerman brandished his weapon. In fact, there's no evidence Martin even knew Zimmerman had a gun until it was too late. none of the testimony including the testimony from the defence's witnesses ever mentioned this.  Secondly, what matters is who initiated physical contact first. If Zimmerman attacked Martin first and only used the gun once he started loosing obviously self defense is out. However, if Martin attacked first and Zimmerman shot Martin after having his head beat in that's a 100% justifiable use of lethal force in self defense.

[QUOTE="SandwichLord"]Why does "stand your ground" only apply to Zimmerman and not Martin? If a man with a gun followed you and confronted you, isn't fighting him off for fear of your life a natural reaction?lostrib

have to prove he was in fear for his life

[QUOTE="SandwichLord"]Why does "stand your ground" only apply to Zimmerman and not Martin? If a man with a gun followed you and confronted you, isn't fighting him off for fear of your life a natural reaction?Renevent42

There's no evidence Zimmerman brandished his weapon. In fact, there's no evidence Martin even knew Zimmerman had a gun until it was too late. none of the testimony including the testimony from the defence's witnesses ever mentioned this.  Secondly, what matters is who initiated physical contact first. If Zimmerman attacked Martin first and only used the gun once he started loosing obviously self defense is out. However, if Martin attacked first and Zimmerman shot Martin after having his head beat in that's a 100% justifiable use of lethal force in self defense.