idk what happened, but there's clearly reasonable doubt, so no murder charge plz. no matter what the media saysMrPraline

Are we forgetting this or is the article I read just lies?

 

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Why did he follow Martin, a police officer asks.

These assholes, they always get away, Zimmerman answers.

The officer asks, Whats behind that?

These people who victimize the neighborhood, Zimmerman answers.

In Zimmermans angry mind, without trial or jury, even after he killed him and learned he was a 17-year-old who was legitimately staying in the complex, Martin was an asshole victimizing the neighborhood.

The officer gets a little defensive at this point. There was an arrest a week ago, he points out, though it is also a gentle reminder that Zimmermans fear might be a tad misplaced. He continues, skeptically. "How was he running?" Zimmerman describes it and the officer says, Sounds like he was running to get away... you jumped out of car to see which way he was running? Thats not fear its going to be a problem.

Then Zimmerman whispers something. What is that you whispered? the officer asks. f****** what?

Punks, Zimmerman says.

This time, the officer seems genuinely taken aback. He wasnt a f******punk, he responds.

A few moments later, he asks Zimmerman why he kept following Martin even after the police dispatcher told him not to.

I wanted to give them an address.

 

 

firefluff3

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I'm really not sure and it kind of makes me want to be on the jury in the case.

MrPraline

Closing arguments will be especially brutal now.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Bullshit.LJS9502_basic

What exactly is bullshit? I posing a hypothetical food for thought type question. The other part about the full truth never being revealed, is true because like I said only two people know what happened, one is dead and the other is on trial. The defense will make any events that took place to make Martin look like the agressor and the prosecution making Zimmermin out to be the aggressor, with the truth likely somewhere inbetween where both were the aggressors in one form or another.

Where did I say anything like that Basic? I said that children are taught to defend themselves should they feel threatened and/or attacked by a stranger. I do not agree to the levels that Zimmerman was attacked, nor can I say that he should have been attacked at all given the current state of evidence. However if a stranger was following you late at night and made you feel threatened via an aggressive act, can you say that if motivated you would not try and defend yourself in one form another? That is the question I am putting forth, right or wrong I am merely putting out a hypotheical question as to WHY Martin might have attacked Zimmerman. I do not think Zimmerman should have been attacked, nor do I think Martin should have been shot.

I would never attack someone for merely following me or asking what I was doing. Lay a hand on me, obviously a different story.  Anyways the idea that it's justifiable to physically accoust someone for following you or confronting you is crazy...that's not defending yourself at all.

Now maybe Zimmerman attacked Martin first, we don't know for sure, but yeah, the scenario you are laying out is not reasonable at all as a reason for attacking someone.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]idk what happened, but there's clearly reasonable doubt, so no murder charge plz. no matter what the media saysLJS9502_basic

Zimmerman has a history of violence. He had an altercation with a cop before and domestic violence filed by his ex. He has a history of calling the non emergency police number every time he thought something was suspicious. I think he's overzealous and a wannabe cop that wants some sort of power over the neighborhood that's why he organized the neighborhood watch. He's been recorded saying "they always get away". That's profiling IMO. Neighbor "Watch" is self explanatory. If you see something suspicious you call and wait for the police to come instead of following with a loaded weapon. If someone has a loaded weapon and following you, you're life is in danger. That boy got murdered. Just my two sense.gago-gago

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Zimmerman has a history of violence. He had an altercation with a cop before and domestic violence filed by his ex. He has a history of calling the non emergency police number every time he thought something was suspicious. I think he's overzealous and a wannabe cop that wants some sort of power over the neighborhood that's why he organized the neighborhood watch. He's been recorded saying "they always get away". That's profiling IMO. Neighbor "Watch" is self explanatory. If you see something suspicious you call and wait for the police to come instead of following with a loaded weapon. If someone has a loaded weapon and following you, you're life is in danger. That boy got murdered. Just my two sense.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Zimmerman has a history of violence. He had an altercation with a cop before and domestic violence filed by his ex. He has a history of calling the non emergency police number every time he thought something was suspicious. I think he's overzealous and a wannabe cop that wants some sort of power over the neighborhood that's why he organized the neighborhood watch. He's been recorded saying "they always get away". That's profiling IMO. Neighbor "Watch" is self explanatory. If you see something suspicious you call and wait for the police to come instead of following with a loaded weapon. If someone has a loaded weapon and following you, you're life is in danger. That boy got murdered. Just my two sense.gago-gago

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Zimmerman has a history of violence. He had an altercation with a cop before and domestic violence filed by his ex. He has a history of calling the non emergency police number every time he thought something was suspicious. I think he's overzealous and a wannabe cop that wants some sort of power over the neighborhood that's why he organized the neighborhood watch. He's been recorded saying "they always get away". That's profiling IMO. Neighbor "Watch" is self explanatory. If you see something suspicious you call and wait for the police to come instead of following with a loaded weapon. If someone has a loaded weapon and following you, you're life is in danger. That boy got murdered. Just my two sense.gago-gago

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you attack someone with a gun following you and you end up getting shot...that's self defense for the shooter in most states.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you attack someone with a gun following you and you end up getting shot...that's self defense for the shooter in most states.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You mean he turned around to confront the 'creepy ass cracka'' following him. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]He was on the phone talking to a friend when he said that. Friends are more comfortable in speaking such language as that. Zimmerman would've said he said that.gago-gago

On top of that the jury doesn't know his full mindset. Was he just acting like punk kid or was he royally pissed off and spiteful towards Zimmerman.

In the end it doesn't really matter because it creates another huge question mark for the jury and takes away spitful motive on Zimmerman's part. And spitful motive is needed for murder in that state. That's the standard.

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] He said that right before he turned around and confronted Zimmerman. Calling him a racist and derogatory term.KC_Hokie

On top of that the jury doesn't know his full mindset. Was he just acting like punk kid or was he royally pissed off and spiteful towards Zimmerman.

In the end it doesn't really matter because it creates another huge question mark for the jury and takes away spitful motive on Zimmerman's part. And spitful motive is needed for murder in that state. That's the standard.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Can you link me to when Trayvon called Zimmerman a cracker to his face when he turned around?gago-gago

On top of that the jury doesn't know his full mindset. Was he just acting like punk kid or was he royally pissed off and spiteful towards Zimmerman.

In the end it doesn't really matter because it creates another huge question mark for the jury and takes away spitful motive on Zimmerman's part. And spitful motive is needed for murder in that state. That's the standard.

And the prosecution has to prove malice for a murder conviction. That will be very difficult with Trayvon using racist and derogatory terms right before turning around to confront Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin shooting: Encounter with George Zimmerman racially charged, says witness

Don't know, but I think his actions directly led to that confrontation.  So very likely manslaughter at the least. 

Don't know, but I think his actions directly led to that confrontation.  So very likely manslaughter at the least. 

sonicare

Don't know, but I think his actions directly led to that confrontation.  So very likely manslaughter at the least. 

sonicare

Where did I say anything like that Basic? I said that children are taught to defend themselves should they feel threatened and/or attacked by a stranger. I do not agree to the levels that Zimmerman was attacked, nor can I say that he should have been attacked at all given the current state of evidence. However if a stranger was following you late at night and made you feel threatened via an aggressive act, can you say that if motivated you would not try and defend yourself in one form another? That is the question I am putting forth, right or wrong I am merely putting out a hypotheical question as to WHY Martin might have attacked Zimmerman. I do not think Zimmerman should have been attacked, nor do I think Martin should have been shot.

DarkGamer007

I don't know where you grew up, but I am sure everyone else here was taught to run away and find a trusted adult or call the cops and tell them about a stranger trying to do anything to them instead of trying to pick a fight with someone to "defend themselves." Martin was on the phone with a girl telling her about being followed instead of telling her he would call her back and call the cops instead. He didn't call the cops, he stayed on the phone with an illiterate girl who sanitized her life prior to going on the stand so she would look more angelic than she was. 

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Don't know, but I think his actions directly led to that confrontation.  So very likely manslaughter at the least. 

HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Zimmerman has a history of violence. He had an altercation with a cop before and domestic violence filed by his ex. He has a history of calling the non emergency police number every time he thought something was suspicious. I think he's overzealous and a wannabe cop that wants some sort of power over the neighborhood that's why he organized the neighborhood watch. He's been recorded saying "they always get away". That's profiling IMO. Neighbor "Watch" is self explanatory. If you see something suspicious you call and wait for the police to come instead of following with a loaded weapon. If someone has a loaded weapon and following you, you're life is in danger. That boy got murdered. Just my two sense.gago-gago

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"] And what about the mindset and motive of Zimmerman following from his car then getting out to follow some more? That boy got murdered but it will be up to the jury yes. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=55l2Dj6AeFY If you watch that video, Zimmerman did not say Trayvon called him derogatory racist names. We'll see if Zimmermans story changes.gago-gago

And the prosecution has to prove malice for a murder conviction. That will be very difficult with Trayvon using racist and derogatory terms right before turning around to confront Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin shooting: Encounter with George Zimmerman racially charged, says witness

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Don't know, but I think his actions directly led to that confrontation.  So very likely manslaughter at the least. 

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you attack someone with a gun following you and you end up getting shot...that's self defense for the shooter in most states.

WhiteKnight77

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"] He was trying to run away, he ran away and thought he got away. He got followed. He's trying to go home. That boy defended himself by trying to get away from the creepy man that's following him.gago-gago

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

KC_Hokie

He should be charged with criminal stupid. His stupidity, and his stupidity alone, is the reason Martin is dead. If George Zimmerman was not a brain dead twat, that kid would still be alive. The police said back off, and he should have done just that. If he had, he would still be in the same neighborhood, enjoying his spare time phoning the police every single time a black person entered his neighborhood. I'll say it again, George Zimmerman is a f*cking idiot.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]He was on the phone already and was so close to his house already. And I don't think at that age, Martin was comfortable enough calling the cops. He was creeped out by the creepy man not crazy man. If he knew the creepy man was crazy with a loaded weapon, I bet he would've kept running and call the cops at he same time.gago-gago

So Trayvon wasn't is self-defense mode. He was in a confrontation mentality.

And it will be extremely difficult to find Zimmerman guilty of murder under those circumstances with no evidence of malice.

He should be charged with criminal stupid. His stupidity, and his stupidity alone, is the reason Martin is dead. If George Zimmerman was not a brain dead twat, that kid would still be alive. The police said back off, and he should have done just that. If he had, he would still be in the same neighborhood, enjoying his spare time phoning the police every single time a black person entered his neighborhood. I'll say it again, George Zimmerman is a f*cking idiot.

Randolph

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

gago-gago

There is a button that disconnects calls. All he had to do was press that, then press 911 and send to call the cops. He didn't. It's not about feeling comfortable about calling the cops, it's about fearing enough that he told someone else that he was being followed and used a racial slur in describing who it was. He should have called the cops no matter what. 

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

He should have called the police if he was so worried about being followed that he referred to someone as a "crazy ass cracker." 

WhiteKnight77

There is a button that disconnects calls. All he had to do was press that, then press 911 and send to call the cops. He didn't. It's not about feeling comfortable about calling the cops, it's about fearing enough that he told someone else that he was being followed and used a racial slur in describing who it was. He should have called the cops no matter what. 

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Except now it sounds like he wasn't afraid of the 'creepy ass cracka' and turned around and confronted him. So he wasn't just some innocent teenager skipping through the neighborhood at that point.

KC_Hokie

So Trayvon wasn't is self-defense mode. He was in a confrontation mentality.

And it will be extremely difficult to find Zimmerman guilty of murder under those circumstances with no evidence of malice.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"] I think he tried to stand up for himself and asked why Zimmerman was following him, which lead to his murder.gago-gago

So Trayvon wasn't is self-defense mode. He was in a confrontation mentality.

And it will be extremely difficult to find Zimmerman guilty of murder under those circumstances with no evidence of malice.

[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Well like you just said above...Trayvon turned around not out of fear but something else after using derogatory and racist terms while describing Zimmerman to his friend on the phone.

So Trayvon wasn't is self-defense mode. He was in a confrontation mentality.

And it will be extremely difficult to find Zimmerman guilty of murder under those circumstances with no evidence of malice.

KC_Hokie

He'll probably get off but the guy is still a scumbag for shooting a kid in a fist fight. I don't care either way.

Why the fvck is this STILL GOING ON? The race baiting media has turned it into a race thing, when it's not. Let the courts decide his fate and forget about this shit already. Jesus Christ, this shit is boring. 

Trayvon's not so bright friend isn't helping the case either

What's sad is that this all could have been avoided had Zimmerman never approached Martin in the first place.

What's sad is that this all could have been avoided had Zimmerman never approached Martin in the first place.

TacticalDesire

Zimmerman claimed he lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his car. That would indicate that he never approached Martin to begin with. 

Oh boy late to the thread! Been watching the case the past 2 days and boy is it entertaining! The judge is corrupt and is  clearly helping the state. Strange that every witness the state brings in is actually helping the defense's case! Creepy ass white kill my neighbors CRACKER- **** I burst out in laughter! 19 going on 20 ,about to start 12th grade,cannot read, and drunk on lean.Every other state "witness" hasn't seen shit ( just heard voices and gun shot ( one claims 3 shots :)  ) One lady even says  GZ  could have been calling for help after seeing  his injuries. Sexy latina says he looked concerned. Every witness matches with Zimmerman's story.

If you look at the evidence he is clearly NOT GUILTY! 

News media is telling lies and acting like its been a slam dunk for the state and claiming that there is so much evidence against Zimmerman . They obviously want a riot to happen.  

People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

HE'S GUILTY!!

Oh boy late to the thread! Been watching the case the past 2 days and boy is it entertaining! The judge is corrupt and is  clearly helping the state. Strange that every witness the state brings in is actually helping the defense's case! Creepy ass white kill my neighbors CRACKER- **** I burst out in laughter! 19 going on 20 ,about to start 12th grade,cannot read, and drunk on lean.Every other state "witness" hasn't seen shit ( just heard voices and gun shot ( one claims 3 shots :)  ) One lady even says  GZ  could have been calling for help after seeing  his injuries. Sexy latina says he looked concerned. Every witness matches with Zimmerman's story.

If you look at the evidence he is clearly NOT GUILTY! 

News media is telling lies and acting like its been a slam dunk for the state and claiming that there is so much evidence against Zimmerman . They obviously want a riot to happen.  

People on twitter(mostly blacks) are already planning to riot- some are saying they WILL MURDER A WHITE CRACKER if he gets off!

consoletroll

well I don't think the state even wanted to charge Zimmerman in the first place

HE'S GUILTY!!

Truf89

wth