[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] It is not the fact that Trayvon Martin is smoking weed that which speaks of ill character, it is the fact that he is emulating people like these: People who advocate and glorify the act of being violently deviant toward the rest of society. Every 12 to 24 year olds facebook can now be used to paint them as a violent deviant because they emulated something someone of ill repute did. Goddamn young 'uns. Yea that was completely ridiculous. Io_Pine right now you're emulating a mass murderer who frequented a message board. For shame!
Zimmerman shot a kid defending himself from an altercation he started and pursued, and judging from the photos only damage done to him was his pride.lamprey263
I would say the damage evident in those picture goes a bit beyond pride. He looks pretty beat up and his nose pretty much messed. That said I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the wounds were self inflicted though I would say it is extremely unlikely. I don't know, nor can I know, what and who started the fight but I will say Zimmerman was being an idiot pursuing someone the way he did.
I don't see what Trayvon's character has to do with this case.
The smear campaign from Zimmerman only proves that if you can make out a black person to be a " ghetto n**** " it's ok for no one to care what happens to them.Â
[QUOTE="lamprey263"]Zimmerman shot a kid defending himself from an altercation he started and pursued, and judging from the photos only damage done to him was his pride.Ace6301
I would say the damage evident in those picture goes a bit beyond pride. He looks pretty beat up and his nose pretty much messed. That said I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the wounds were self inflicted though I would say it is extremely unlikely. I don't know, nor can I know, what and who started the fight but I will say Zimmerman was being an idiot pursuing someone the way he did.
But don't you think Zimmerman screwed it when he admitted he acted because he saw a suspecious looking man walking in the neighborhood? Where I come from, even cops can't stop  and search drug dealers and addicts what if a guy "looking suspecious" because he was wearing a hoody. Zimmerman had an intent to kill him before they even started a fight.Â
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]People who advocate and glorify the act of being violently deviant toward the rest of society.Shottayouth13-
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Lol what the **** is the ****? So rappers are the bane of society right now? :lol: GTFO
Yes, exactly. I agree fully, the ones that glorify violence are one of the banes of society, they are not real hip hop artists either. Despite what some think, rap wasn't always violent and was better when it wasn't.
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]People who advocate and glorify the act of being violently deviant toward the rest of society.TheWalkingGhost
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Lol what the **** is the ****? So rappers are the bane of society right now? :lol: GTFO
Yes, exactly. I agree fully, the ones that glorify violence are one of the banes of society, they are not real hip hop artists either. Despite what some think, rap wasn't always violent and was better when it wasn't. Was more a socio-political statement....
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]Zimmerman shot a kid defending himself from an altercation he started and pursued, and judging from the photos only damage done to him was his pride.gamingqueen
I would say the damage evident in those picture goes a bit beyond pride. He looks pretty beat up and his nose pretty much messed. That said I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the wounds were self inflicted though I would say it is extremely unlikely. I don't know, nor can I know, what and who started the fight but I will say Zimmerman was being an idiot pursuing someone the way he did.
But don't you think Zimmerman screwed it when he admitted he acted because he saw a suspecious looking man walking in the neighborhood? Where I come from, even cops can't stop  and search drug dealers and addicts what if a guy "looking suspecious" because he was wearing a hoody. Zimmerman had an intent to kill him before they even started a fight.Â
There is no law against watching someone you find suspicious.......and cops have the "probable cause" reason FYI. Sure it can't be on mere looks but you'd be surprised at what can be caused okay.
I don't think he'll be convicted of murder, but he put himself in a situation when he was told not to follow (from the transcripts of one of the phone calls he made to police, I believe). He aggravated the situation. He shouldn't get off scott free
I don't think he'll be convicted of murder, but he put himself in a situation when he was told not to follow (from the transcripts of one of the phone calls he made to police, I believe). He aggravated the situation. He shouldn't get off scott free
Trial is interesting so far, for one, it's very interesting to see who was the real racist and who was actually using racial slurs. Amazing the media isn't playing it up, oh yeah, I know why. Anyways IMO so far the prosecution isn't doing great. Their "star witness" is doing a terrible job on the stand to the point of embarrassment.
I really hope he doesn't get to just walk; at least manslaughter... Â Sure he may not have set out to kill the kid and had no intent to that end, but he still followed to kid, in the middle of the night, with a gun...Â
Following a person if perfectly legal. Now, we don't know who initiated the fight so I'm not saying Zimmerman is 100% not guilty, but if in fact Martin attacked first he is absolutely not guilty.
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]People who advocate and glorify the act of being violently deviant toward the rest of society.TheWalkingGhost
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Lol what the **** is the ****? So rappers are the bane of society right now? :lol: GTFO
Yes, exactly. I agree fully, the ones that glorify violence are one of the banes of society, they are not real hip hop artists either. Despite what some think, rap wasn't always violent and was better when it wasn't. 2Pac and Biggie are not real hip hop artists? :lol: GTFO
Anybody who thinks Zimmerman is going to be found guilty after this trial needs to get their head examined. Trayvon described Zimmerman as a "Creepy ass white cracker" which his girlfriend confirmed on the stand. Therefore we know the conflict was at least partially racially motivated, but not by Zimmerman (unless there is some new evidence) yet so far the prosecution has been getting annihilated to the point of embarrassment.Â
I think the most hilarious thing so far is her stating "creepy ass white cracker" isn't racist on the stand because it shows the mindset. In her mind it's okay for her and Tray Tray to spew out racial comments, but if Zimmerman were to do it, it would somehow confirm the crime was racially motivated on his part meaning he is guilty. (They have to look at Trayvons part as well) Why she cant see this from the other side I will never know.Â
I'm calling it right now, Zimmerman is going to be acquitted. I know it's a bit early but I can't see how they are going to be able to come back from this when their star witness is getting annihilated like this. I personally don't think he is guilty, so far the evidence shown proves (in my opinion) his story of the event true, which means it was self defense. Also the media likes to label Trayvon as some "small teenage kid" by using old photo's of him, when in reality he was bigger than Zimmerman (Trayvon was 6"0-6"1 Zimmerman 5"8) and Trayvon looked to be more muscular as well from his current photo's. Zimmerman was the smaller dog in that fight, so why people are so surprised at his injuries and need to defend himself is beyond me, must be media brainwashing.Â
Also unless they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty (which they wont be able to) nothing is going to happen to Zimmerman beyond maybe a tiny slap on the wrists. Another thing that amazes is me is how they are labelling him as caucasian when he is half latino, so by their logic if Obama was put in Zimmerman's position he should then be considered "white" too, but we know they only pull the race card when it serves to benefit them and their story.Â
Anybody who thinks Zimmerman is going to be found guilty after this trial needs to get their head examined. Trayvon described Zimmerman as a "Creepy ass white cracker" which his girlfriend confirmed on the stand. Therefore we know the conflict was at least partially racially motivated, but not by Zimmerman (unless there is some new evidence) yet so far the prosecution has been getting annihilated to the point of embarrassment.Â
I think the most hilarious thing so far is her stating "creepy ass white cracker" isn't racist on the stand because it shows the mindset. In her mind it's okay for her and trayvon to spew out racial comments, but if Zimmerman were to do it, it would somehow confirm the crime was racially motivated on his part meaning he is guilty. (They have to look at Trayvons part as well) Why she cant see this from the other side I will never know.Â
I'm calling it right now, Zimmerman is going to be acquitted. I know it's a bit early but I can't see how they are going to be able to come back from this when their star witness is getting annihilated like this. I personally don't think he is guilty, so far the evidence shown proves (in my opinion) his story of the event true, which means it was self defense. Also the media likes to label trayvon as some "small teenage kid" by using old photo's of him, when in reality he was bigger than Zimmerman (Trayvon was 6"0-6"1 Zimmerman 5"8) and trayvon looked to be more muscular as well from his current photo's. Zimmerman was the smaller dog in that fight, so why people are so surprised at his injuries and need to defend himself is beyond me, must be media brainwashing.Â
Also unless they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty (which they wont be able to) nothing is going to happen to Zimmerman beyond maybe a tiny slap on the wrists.
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ok all that is nice. Now what gave him the right to shoot the kid?
Anybody who thinks Zimmerman is going to be found guilty after this trial needs to get their head examined. Trayvon described Zimmerman as a "Creepy ass white cracker" which his girlfriend confirmed on the stand. Therefore we know the conflict was at least partially racially motivated, but not by Zimmerman (unless there is some new evidence) yet so far the prosecution has been getting annihilated to the point of embarrassment.Â
I think the most hilarious thing so far is her stating "creepy ass white cracker" isn't racist on the stand because it shows the mindset. In her mind it's okay for her and trayvon to spew out racial comments, but if Zimmerman were to do it, it would somehow confirm the crime was racially motivated on his part meaning he is guilty. (They have to look at Trayvons part as well) Why she cant see this from the other side I will never know.Â
I'm calling it right now, Zimmerman is going to be acquitted. I know it's a bit early but I can't see how they are going to be able to come back from this when their star witness is getting annihilated like this. I personally don't think he is guilty, so far the evidence shown proves (in my opinion) his story of the event true, which means it was self defense. Also the media likes to label trayvon as some "small teenage kid" by using old photo's of him, when in reality he was bigger than Zimmerman (Trayvon was 6"0-6"1 Zimmerman 5"8) and trayvon looked to be more muscular as well from his current photo's. Zimmerman was the smaller dog in that fight, so why people are so surprised at his injuries and need to defend himself is beyond me, must be media brainwashing.Â
Also unless they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty (which they wont be able to) nothing is going to happen to Zimmerman beyond maybe a tiny slap on the wrists.
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ok all that is nice. Now what gave him the right to shoot the kid?The lawÂ
Anybody who thinks Zimmerman is going to be found guilty after this trial needs to get their head examined. Trayvon described Zimmerman as a "Creepy ass white cracker" which his girlfriend confirmed on the stand. Therefore we know the conflict was at least partially racially motivated, but not by Zimmerman (unless there is some new evidence) yet so far the prosecution has been getting annihilated to the point of embarrassment.Â
I think the most hilarious thing so far is her stating "creepy ass white cracker" isn't racist on the stand because it shows the mindset. In her mind it's okay for her and trayvon to spew out racial comments, but if Zimmerman were to do it, it would somehow confirm the crime was racially motivated on his part meaning he is guilty. (They have to look at Trayvons part as well) Why she cant see this from the other side I will never know.Â
I'm calling it right now, Zimmerman is going to be acquitted. I know it's a bit early but I can't see how they are going to be able to come back from this when their star witness is getting annihilated like this. I personally don't think he is guilty, so far the evidence shown proves (in my opinion) his story of the event true, which means it was self defense. Also the media likes to label trayvon as some "small teenage kid" by using old photo's of him, when in reality he was bigger than Zimmerman (Trayvon was 6"0-6"1 Zimmerman 5"8) and trayvon looked to be more muscular as well from his current photo's. Zimmerman was the smaller dog in that fight, so why people are so surprised at his injuries and need to defend himself is beyond me, must be media brainwashing.Â
Also unless they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty (which they wont be able to) nothing is going to happen to Zimmerman beyond maybe a tiny slap on the wrists.
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ok all that is nice. Now what gave him the right to shoot the kid? Getting his face punched in and head smashed against the concrete? Of course that is if Martin started the fight, which we don't know for sure, but there is absolutely plausible scenarios where Zimmerman had the right to defend himself. Nobody knows for sure since no one witnessed the actual start of the fight, but acting as if there is no way Zimmerman can be innocent is ridiculous. There's a lot of physical evidence that at least partially supports his testimony.
Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news.
Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. ninjastar
It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest.Â
Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. ninjastar
It's not illegal to follow someone. And it's not self defense to instigate a fight if that is how it went down. Duh...
Zimmerman shouldn't have followed the boy, he put matters into his own hands and has his blood on his hands. He needs jail time... people have been put in jail for more shaky murder offenses. The support for this man is rather sickening.
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. LLYNCES
It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest.Â
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Right, so Martin had every right to be walking where he was. Zimmerman disregarded the "advice" he was given which resulted in a confrontation that would have been avoided had he used common sense. Because of his actions a kid is dead. He is responsible and as such should be held accountable.
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. LJS9502_basic
It's not illegal to follow someone. And it's not self defense to instigate a fight if that is how it went down. Duh... You are being followed.... Martin if he did start the fight acted in his best interest. Some of you have no sense of reality... if a person is following you either confront them or run. Martin wasnt wrong in either scenario. Some of you sound like the type of people that would have supported that man that killed that teenager for having loud music in florida...
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. ninjastar
It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest.Â
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Right, so Martin had every right to be walking where he was. Zimmerman disregarded the "advice" he was given which resulted in a confrontation that would have been avoided had he used common sense. Because of his actions a kid is dead. He is responsible and as such should be held accountable. Will you present the statute that says Zimmerman had no right to be walking where he was?
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. ninjastar
It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest.Â
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Right, so Martin had every right to be walking where he was. Zimmerman disregarded the "advice" he was given which resulted in a confrontation that would have been avoided had he used common sense. Because of his actions a kid is dead. He is responsible and as such should be held accountable.
Idiotic reasoning. Zimmerman had every right to watch Martin as well. What this case really boils down to is who started the physical confrontation. You nor I know that, but the simple reality is there are plausible scenarios where Zimmerman is an innocent man.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. Marth6781
It's not illegal to follow someone. And it's not self defense to instigate a fight if that is how it went down. Duh... You are being followed.... Martin if he did start the fight acted in his best interest. Some of you have no sense of reality... if a person is following you either confront them or run. Martin wasnt wrong in either scenario. Some of you sound like the type of people that would have supported that man that killed that teenager for having loud music in florida... Sorry but the law does NOT allow for anyone to assault another because they feel they are being followed.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not illegal to follow someone. And it's not self defense to instigate a fight if that is how it went down. Duh... You are being followed.... Martin if he did start the fight acted in his best interest. Some of you have no sense of reality... if a person is following you either confront them or run. Martin wasnt wrong in either scenario. Some of you sound like the type of people that would have supported that man that killed that teenager for having loud music in florida... Sorry but the law does NOT allow for anyone to assault another because they feel they are being followed. He felt he was threatened is all that matters... just like how zimmerman felt threatended right? sh1tty double standards
[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] You are being followed.... Martin if he did start the fight acted in his best interest. Some of you have no sense of reality... if a person is following you either confront them or run. Martin wasnt wrong in either scenario. Some of you sound like the type of people that would have supported that man that killed that teenager for having loud music in florida... Sorry but the law does NOT allow for anyone to assault another because they feel they are being followed. He felt he was threatened is all that matters... just like how zimmerman felt threatended right? sh1tty double standards Can you not seriously differentiate the difference between being followed and having your head smashed in? That's not a double standard lol... Again, it's possible Zimmerman started the fight too but the idea that if Martin did he had the right to assault Zimmerman is absolutely asinine.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sorry but the law does NOT allow for anyone to assault another because they feel they are being followed.Renevent42
He felt he was threatened is all that matters... just like how zimmerman felt threatended right? sh1tty double standards Can you not seriously differentiate the difference between being followed and having your head smashed in? That's not a double standard lol... Again, it's possible Zimmerman started the fight too but the idea that if Martin did he had the right to assault Zimmerman is absolutely asinine. Difference of opinions. All I can say is as a minority I certainly feel what that boy was thinking. Leave it at that.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] He felt he was threatened is all that matters... just like how zimmerman felt threatended right? sh1tty double standards Can you not seriously differentiate the difference between being followed and having your head smashed in? That's not a double standard lol... Again, it's possible Zimmerman started the fight too but the idea that if Martin did he had the right to assault Zimmerman is absolutely asinine. Difference of opinions. All I can say is as a minority I certainly feel what that boy was thinking. Leave it at that. In other words nothing to do with the actual legality of the situation, simply he's a minority and your a minority and that's all that matters.
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]Okay, but Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Police were on the way. Martin knew he was being followed by a man he didnt know. Couldn't he have been acting in self defense? Only difference was Zimmerman had a gun and the kid didnt. If it had been the other way around it wouldn't even be in the news. ninjastar
It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest.Â
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Right, so Martin had every right to be walking where he was. Zimmerman disregarded the "advice" he was given which resulted in a confrontation that would have been avoided had he used common sense. Because of his actions a kid is dead. He is responsible and as such should be held accountable. "Which resulted in confrontation" Zimmerman has the right to confront somebody and ask them what they are doing, and if that resulted in conflict that wasn't instigated by him, and he was attacked for it then it was self defense on his part. From Zimmerman's story he was beat down pretty bad (which is proven by his injuries) and defended himself under the stand your ground law which is legal. So far his story matches up.Â
From what Trayvons girlfriend said prior to the "confrontation" Trayvon was labelling Zimmerman as a "creepy ass white cracker" so we know the conflict was at least somewhat racially motivated on Trayvons part against Zimmerman by that comment. You aren't violating somebody's rights by following them and asking them what they are doing, that isn't against the law. If it leads to you being attacked though your rights are then being violated, and you have the right to self defense.Â
Also stop labelling Trayvon as some little kid, he was 6"0 with a muscular build and much bigger then Zimmerman. Age has very little to do with anything in this scenario. Trayvon was big and strong enough to do enough damage to threaten Zimmermans life.Â
[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Can you not seriously differentiate the difference between being followed and having your head smashed in? That's not a double standard lol... Again, it's possible Zimmerman started the fight too but the idea that if Martin did he had the right to assault Zimmerman is absolutely asinine. Difference of opinions. All I can say is as a minority I certainly feel what that boy was thinking. Leave it at that. In other words nothing to do with the actual legality of the situation, simply he's a minority and your a minority and that's all that matters. Nope not even, but you seem like you can't look at it from trayvons perspective. Anyone else would have gotten a manslaughter charge in the least but somehow you guys want him acquitted.
If someone came up to me while I'm just walking in an aggressive manner, and lets be real Zimmerman didnt casually stroll up to Martin, I would get defensive. I'm sure words were said and a fight ensued. When I say kid, I don't mean size, I mean in the fact that one was an adult with the midset(hopefully) of one and the other of a kid. He had injuries yes but had he not got out of his vehicle none of this would have happened. That is my point. He was trying to be tough or a t like a hero and all that happened was a person is dead and it's by his hands. He has to take responsibility for his actions.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Difference of opinions. All I can say is as a minority I certainly feel what that boy was thinking. Leave it at that. In other words nothing to do with the actual legality of the situation, simply he's a minority and your a minority and that's all that matters. Nope not even, but you seem like you can't look at it from trayvons perspective. Anyone else would have gotten a manslaughter charge in the least but somehow you guys want him acquitted. Obviously it is. Also, I have looked at it from his perspective...there's def a possibility that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation...I've mentioned that a few time. I wasn't there, you weren't there...we don't know for sure. The person who is unwilling to look at things from all perspectives is YOU.
If someone came up to me while I'm just walking in an aggressive manner, and lets be real Zimmerman didnt casually stroll up to Martin, I would get defensive. I'm sure words were said and a fight ensued. When I say kid, I don't mean size, I mean in the fact that one was an adult with the midset(hopefully) of one and the other of a kid. He had injuries yes but had he not got out of his vehicle none of this would have happened. That is my point. He was trying to be tough or a t like a hero and all that happened was a person is dead and it's by his hands. He has to take responsibility for his actions. ninjastar
If someone came up to me and asked what I was doing I would have probably just said I was living with my Dad at his girlfriends house and that would have most likely been the end of it.
[QUOTE="ninjastar"]If someone came up to me while I'm just walking in an aggressive manner, and lets be real Zimmerman didnt casually stroll up to Martin, I would get defensive. I'm sure words were said and a fight ensued. When I say kid, I don't mean size, I mean in the fact that one was an adult with the midset(hopefully) of one and the other of a kid. He had injuries yes but had he not got out of his vehicle none of this would have happened. That is my point. He was trying to be tough or a t like a hero and all that happened was a person is dead and it's by his hands. He has to take responsibility for his actions. Renevent42
If someone came up to me and asked what I was doing I would have probably just said I was living with my Dad at his girlfriends house and that would have most likely been the end of it. well it was none of his business what he was doing. He was simply walking. I doubt that would have been the end as Zimmerman was all bent out of shape about him just walking around.
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