Do you believe the not guilty verdict for Zimmerman is just? UPDATE: NOT GUILTY

If someone came up to me while I'm just walking in an aggressive manner, and lets be real Zimmerman didnt casually stroll up to Martin, I would get defensive. I'm sure words were said and a fight ensued. When I say kid, I don't mean size, I mean in the fact that one was an adult with the midset(hopefully) of one and the other of a kid. He had injuries yes but had he not got out of his vehicle none of this would have happened. That is my point. He was trying to be tough or a t like a hero and all that happened was a person is dead and it's by his hands. He has to take responsibility for his actions. ninjastar

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="ninjastar"]If someone came up to me while I'm just walking in an aggressive manner, and lets be real Zimmerman didnt casually stroll up to Martin, I would get defensive. I'm sure words were said and a fight ensued. When I say kid, I don't mean size, I mean in the fact that one was an adult with the midset(hopefully) of one and the other of a kid. He had injuries yes but had he not got out of his vehicle none of this would have happened. That is my point. He was trying to be tough or a t like a hero and all that happened was a person is dead and it's by his hands. He has to take responsibility for his actions. ninjastar

[QUOTE="Renevent42"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Nope not even, but you seem like you can't look at it from trayvons perspective. Anyone else would have gotten a manslaughter charge in the least but somehow you guys want him acquitted.Marth6781

That's not how the law works...it's a good thing too.  And yes, even.

[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="Renevent42"] Obviously it is. Also, I have looked at it from his perspective...there's def a possibility that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation...I've mentioned that a few time. I wasn't there, you weren't there...we don't know for sure. The person who is unwilling to look at things from all perspectives is YOU.Renevent42

That's not how the law works...it's a good thing too.  And yes, even.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="Marth6781"] Nope not even. Zimmerman should get a sentence for the fact that he killed someone, life in prison I dont agree with because I dont think he meant to kill the boy. But something should happen .Marth6781

That's not how the law works...it's a good thing too.  And yes, even.

Again, we don't know if that's what happened that night, but based on the evidence it's at least a plausible scenario.

The fact you cannot even entertain this possibility, and the fact you simply fall back on "I'm a minority too", shows how biased you are and how it's you who is unable to look at things objectively.

[QUOTE="ninjastar"][QUOTE="LLYNCES"] It's not illegal to approach somebody and ask them what they are doing, or even follow them, especially if you think they are up to something illegal. The dispatcher has no real authority on the matter, the best they can do is offer advice. The police are not allowed to tell you where you can and cannot go unless it's a military base or something to do with government or private property, or if you are under arrest. 

 

 

 

LLYNCES

Trayvon calling him a "creepy ass cracka" actually lets me know that he was worried about his safety and Trayvon staying on the phone let's me know he didn't think it would be a fight.

[QUOTE="playmynutz"]I don't care what the law is you don't kill an unarmed teenager.mrbojangles25

even if he is trying to kill you and bashing your skull in and got the jump on you and has you at a disadvantage?

My guess, trying to be charitable and not impugn either Martin or Zimmerman, is that the scenario unfolded somewhat like this: Zimmerman spotted Martin and thought he was acted suspiciously, thus he followed him. Martin perceived that he was being followed and got spooked. Martin attacked Zimmerman thinking Zimmerman was trying to harm him, then in the tussle Zimmerman was forced to shoot Martin in order to preserve his own life.

Also isn't there a professional baseball player named George Zimmerman?

In order for Zimmerman to be convicted, would all 12 jurors have to vote guilty?

Also bear in mind, it is "innocent until proven guilty".

[QUOTE="awptical"]

The testimony so far from the witnesses is not looking good for the prosecution, it was quite embarrassing. I think he'll walk. I couldnt help but chuckle after learning that Trayvon called Zimmerman a "Crazy ass cracka". Who was the real racist here afterall?

EagleEyedOne

I believe there's only 6 jurors, since in Florida they only use 12 when capital punishment is on the line. Renevent42

Also do you think if Zimmerman is convicted there will be riots? It's unfortunate, and it's quite bad for the concept of a fair trial when you have the prospect of some people possibly rioting if they don't get the verdict they want. The jurors must not let this intimidate them.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I believe there's only 6 jurors, since in Florida they only use 12 when capital punishment is on the line. whipassmt

Yes. Though if they don't all vote the same way (guilty/innocent) I believe it becomes a hung jury...at which point the prosecutor can retry the case. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Also do you think if Zimmerman is convicted there will be riots? It's unfortunate, and it's quite bad for the concept of a fair trial when you have the prospect of some people possibly rioting if they don't get the verdict they want. The jurors must not let this intimidate them.

whipassmt

I believe that is a likely possibility, and it would be unfortunate. 

Zimmerman spotted Martin and thought he was acted suspiciously, thus he followed him. Martin perceived that he was being followed and got spooked. Martin attacked Zimmerman thinking Zimmerman was trying to harm him, then in the tussle Zimmerman was forced to shoot Martin in order to preserve his own life.whipassmt

Zimmerman's guilty as sin in my mind.

The man went and instigated a confrontation AFTER authorities told him not to, then ends up shooting the kid dead and claims self defense? Yeah, no.

Man is a psycho and should NEVER have been allowed to own a gun in the first place. I remember when the story first came out his criminal record came out and he had a nice history of assaults INCLUDING assault on a police officer.

This trial is most likely the result of pressure and not evidence. Zimmerman was not charged at first and there was protesting and intervention by some very powerful people. In addition to that, people were given biased reporting (young pictures of Martin, edited 911 tapes) and Zimmerman was pretty much convicted by the media.

While I wasn't there, from what I know about the case so far I would probably lean towards Zimmerman being found not guilty. However, with the threat of riots or even attempts on the lives of the jurors I can almost see him being found guilty anyway.

After the verdit acquitting Rodney King's attackers we had riots that caused over a billion dollars in damage, killed over 50 people, and injured several others. While the situations are different in several ways (Martin wasn't a fleeing criminal who was later beaten by officers) the end result where people will tie racism as reason of the acquittal and riot is very possible.ad1x2

That was the New Black Panthers:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

This trial is most likely the result of pressure and not evidence. Zimmerman was not charged at first and there was protesting and intervention by some very powerful people. In addition to that, people were given biased reporting (young pictures of Martin, edited 911 tapes) and Zimmerman was pretty much convicted by the media.

 

While I wasn't there, from what I know about the case so far I would probably lean towards Zimmerman being found not guilty. However, with the threat of riots or even attempts on the lives of the jurors I can almost see him being found guilty anyway.

 

After the verdit acquitting Rodney King's attackers we had riots that caused over a billion dollars in damage, killed over 50 people, and injured several others. While the situations are different in several ways (Martin wasn't a fleeing criminal who was later beaten by officers) the end result where people will tie racism as reason of the acquittal and riot is very possible.ad1x2

And the dumb thing about all this is that race isn't even an issue in this case. What people should be getting mad about is the idea that we had some psycho with a history of violent crime running around with a legally owned firearm of which he used to gun down a teenager,

In terms of convicting Zimmerman, I still don't see what business the man has claiming self-defense when he was the instigator of the situation. Like in Florida can I just go break into someones house, have THEM attack me first then shoot them and claim self-defense?

Personally I still feel like Zimmerman easily could have thrown the first blow anyways. The stuff that came out around him with this case makes me beleive he is unstable and a dangerous person.

That was the New Black Panthers:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

Renevent42

I was never sold on him being guilty for murder. As more evidence comes out it seems even less likely that it was murder but more likely some lesser count.

What do you think of the defenses knock knock joke? dave123321

Right now it is looking like he will not be guilty of murder, at the most he may get manslaughter, just not a case to prove he murdered anyone

In terms of convicting Zimmerman, I still don't see what business the man has claiming self-defense when he was the instigator of the situation. Like in Florida can I just go break into someones house, have THEM attack me first then shoot them and claim self-defense?

LostProphetFLCL

So you know who instigated the confronation? Why are you posting on a message board you need to go to Sanford to be a witness.

Although with the second bit I think you may be trolling.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

That was the New Black Panthers:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

whipassmt

almost as bad or worse, was director Spike Lee retweeting what was supposedly Zimmerman's address, which is wrong to begin with, and then it turned out to be the wrong address.  The elderly couple that lived their had to leave their home for a time because of all the hate they got.

His gf is so stupid 

Zimmerman's guilty as sin in my mind.

The man went and instigated a confrontation AFTER authorities told him not to, then ends up shooting the kid dead and claims self defense? Yeah, no.

Man is a psycho and should NEVER have been allowed to own a gun in the first place. I remember when the story first came out his criminal record came out and he had a nice history of assaults INCLUDING assault on a police officer.

LostProphetFLCL

What do you think of the defenses knock knock joke? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cykCfynh36sdave123321

People question whether or not Zimmerman was in fear of his life, but what about Martin? From a very young age, we instruct children to defend themselves when they feel threatened by a stranger. The reason Martin may have started beat Zimmerman is because he felt threatened by Zimmerman and was concerned for his saftey. This whole situation is a mess, Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin, especially when Martin wasn't committing any crimes or partaking in any suspicious activity. An adolecesent died that shouldn't have. Likewise perhaps Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman to the lengths he did, or at all. We don't know the whole story, there are only two people that know that, one is dead and the other is on trial for muder, so the whole truth will likely never come out.

People question whether or not Zimmerman was in fear of his life, but what about Martin? From a very young age, we instruct children to defend themselves when they feel threatened by a stranger. The reason Martin may have started beat Zimmerman is because he felt threatened by Zimmerman and was concerned for his saftey. This whole situation is a mess, Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin, especially when Martin wasn't committing any crimes or partaking in any suspicious activity. An adolecesent died that shouldn't have. Likewise perhaps Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman to the lengths he did, or at all. We don't know the whole story, there are only two people that know that, one is dead and the other is on trial for muder, so the whole truth will likely never come out.

DarkGamer007

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

People question whether or not Zimmerman was in fear of his life, but what about Martin? From a very young age, we instruct children to defend themselves when they feel threatened by a stranger. The reason Martin may have started beat Zimmerman is because he felt threatened by Zimmerman and was concerned for his saftey. This whole situation is a mess, Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin, especially when Martin wasn't committing any crimes or partaking in any suspicious activity. An adolecesent died that shouldn't have. Likewise perhaps Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman to the lengths he did, or at all. We don't know the whole story, there are only two people that know that, one is dead and the other is on trial for muder, so the whole truth will likely never come out.

LJS9502_basic

What exactly is bullshit? I posing a hypothetical food for thought type question. The other part about the full truth never being revealed, is true because like I said only two people know what happened, one is dead and the other is on trial. The defense will make any events that took place to make Martin look like the agressor and the prosecution making Zimmermin out to be the aggressor, with the truth likely somewhere inbetween where both were the aggressors in one form or another.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

People question whether or not Zimmerman was in fear of his life, but what about Martin? From a very young age, we instruct children to defend themselves when they feel threatened by a stranger. The reason Martin may have started beat Zimmerman is because he felt threatened by Zimmerman and was concerned for his saftey. This whole situation is a mess, Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin, especially when Martin wasn't committing any crimes or partaking in any suspicious activity. An adolecesent died that shouldn't have. Likewise perhaps Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman to the lengths he did, or at all. We don't know the whole story, there are only two people that know that, one is dead and the other is on trial for muder, so the whole truth will likely never come out.

DarkGamer007

What exactly is bullshit? I posing a hypothetical food for thought type question. The other part about the full truth never being revealed, is true because like I said only two people know what happened, one is dead and the other is on trial. The defense will make any events that took place to make Martin look like the agressor and the prosecution making Zimmermin out to be the aggressor, with the truth likely somewhere inbetween where both were the aggressors in one form or another.

I am of the mind that Zimmerman will get off, especially with the witnesses the proscution has called including one who "liked" a petition called "Justice for Trayvon" and the one who scrubbed her Twitter account prior to testifying to try and show she was an upstanding young lady. She is also the one who Trayvon was on the phone with which brings up another point. If Trayvon felt so threatened by the "creepy ass cracker," why didn't he hang up the phone and call the cops himself and head home. Zimmerman had said that he lost Martin and was heading back to his vehicle. If that is the case, Zimmerman was no longer following Martin and should have been able to make it home with no other problems, but he did neither.

Are we forgetting this or is the article I read just lies?

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Why did he follow Martin, a police officer asks.

These assholes, they always get away, Zimmerman answers.

The officer asks, Whats behind that?

These people who victimize the neighborhood, Zimmerman answers.

In Zimmermans angry mind, without trial or jury, even after he killed him and learned he was a 17-year-old who was legitimately staying in the complex, Martin was an asshole victimizing the neighborhood.

The officer gets a little defensive at this point. There was an arrest a week ago, he points out, though it is also a gentle reminder that Zimmermans fear might be a tad misplaced. He continues, skeptically. "How was he running?" Zimmerman describes it and the officer says, Sounds like he was running to get away... you jumped out of car to see which way he was running? Thats not fear its going to be a problem.

Then Zimmerman whispers something. What is that you whispered? the officer asks. f****** what?

Punks, Zimmerman says.

This time, the officer seems genuinely taken aback. He wasnt a f******punk, he responds.

A few moments later, he asks Zimmerman why he kept following Martin even after the police dispatcher told him not to.

I wanted to give them an address.

I'm really not sure and it kind of makes me want to be on the jury in the case.

I'm really not sure and it kind of makes me want to be on the jury in the case.

Guybrush_3

I would laugh my ass off and get fined by the judge. Or my 'cracka ass' according to Trayvon.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I'm really not sure and it kind of makes me want to be on the jury in the case.

KC_Hokie