That's odd. I remember saying that the big bang and atheism have nothing to do with each other, yet here you are acting like I think they do. If you're such a great debaer howcome you can't even listen to the other side of the argument?I understand the big bang just fine, what you don't understand were did the matter for the big bang come from? It had to come from somewhere in the first place, so where from? I believe God did it, you have no answer.
I'm not so sure you have a basic understanding of evolution let alone science. You seem to be under the assumption that just becasue your an atheist that makes you an expert on the subject, which is obviously not true in your case.
Ironically for you, most of the scientific community, including those who study big bang and evolution, are religious. You are in a very small minority, both in science and other areas. I would like to see you show your understanding of the big bang, I'm curious to see if you can do it.
I don't think you actually understand it or study it. You seem to just belive in it by faith alone and your idenitity as an atheist. You clearly don't even research the subject. You probably don't even know the timeline where it probably happened, which is the Planck Epoch.
ShadowMoses900
Do you belive in God??????????
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Well your posts definitely dont demonstrate your supposed knwoledge on debating. If I was your professor I would be ashamed. I hope you didnt pass the cIass. Unless its a cIass not directly related to your major in which case its not very hard to pass.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I take debate classes at my university, I know the rules and formation of a strong argument. Something you and most other people on here do not. While you cannot prove God exists or not, one could still argue effectively for their personal beliefs which is what I did.
You however cannot and instead have to resort to childish attacks like a 5 year old, it's a way to escape from an argument but it's just silly. If this was a court romm and somone accused you of murder, you can't sit there and say "oh don't believe him, he is stupid idiot, I'm innocent, he is just dumb." that isn't a defense and no one would buy it.
It wouldn't be an argument, it would be an admission of defeat through a cop out. Which is exactly what your doing.
ShadowMoses900
Saying "it makes sense" doesnt constitute an argument. Neither is the twins in the womb analogy a sound argument. I really shouldnt have to explain this to someone who supposedly took debate cIasses in university.
But I'm not professing to be debating right now. You are. So you cant really call me out on anything. I choose to insult you and I aknowledge that I do. That has nothing to do with whether I can debate when I feel like it; and that is definitely not when dealing with people like you. Patience has its limits.
Once again, SM, I'm not even debating right now. Are you so eager to claim victory even when there is no debate going on?
I used standard debate format for all my arguments, you don't understand it because you never learned basic debate before. Once you do you will understand the format, which you clearly don't as you resorted to personal and child like tantrum attacks. The person who loses their cool means they lose in a debate because they resort to emotions instead of logic and reason.
I can't believe you don't understand this, after all you are claiming to be the debate expert and everything. You should at least know the basics.
I have an OTcar is masterdebating and I think you are full of sh!t
Can you quote where I said I had a problem with the Big Bang Theory?Nuck81
"Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well your posts definitely dont demonstrate your supposed knwoledge on debating. If I was your professor I would be ashamed. I hope you didnt pass the cIass. Unless its a cIass not directly related to your major in which case its not very hard to pass.
Saying "it makes sense" doesnt constitute an argument. Neither is the twins in the womb analogy a sound argument. I really shouldnt have to explain this to someone who supposedly took debate cIasses in university.
But I'm not professing to be debating right now. You are. So you cant really call me out on anything. I choose to insult you and I aknowledge that I do. That has nothing to do with whether I can debate when I feel like it; and that is definitely not when dealing with people like you. Patience has its limits.
Once again, SM, I'm not even debating right now. Are you so eager to claim victory even when there is no debate going on?
-Sun_Tzu-
I used standard debate format for all my arguments, you don't understand it because you never learned basic debate before. Once you do you will understand the format, which you clearly don't as you resorted to personal and child like tantrum attacks. The person who loses their cool means they lose in a debate because they resort to emotions instead of logic and reason.
I can't believe you don't understand this, after all you are claiming to be the debate expert and everything. You should at least know the basics.
I have an OTcar is masterdebating and I think you are full of sh!t You can't swear, that makes you childish like me.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]And "it makes sense to me" is winning a debate?
This was not a debate to begin with. and you're certainly not someone able to participate in one.
Teenaged
I take debate classes at my university, I know the rules and formation of a strong argument. Something you and most other people on here do not. While you cannot prove God exists or not, one could still argue effectively for their personal beliefs which is what I did.
You however cannot and instead have to resort to childish attacks like a 5 year old, it's a way to escape from an argument but it's just silly. If this was a court romm and somone accused you of murder, you can't sit there and say "oh don't believe him, he is stupid idiot, I'm innocent, he is just dumb." that isn't a defense and no one would buy it.
It wouldn't be an argument, it would be an admission of defeat through a cop out. Which is exactly what your doing.
Well your posts definitely dont demonstrate your supposed knwoledge on debating. If I was your professor I would be ashamed. I hope you didnt pass the cIass. Unless its a cIass not directly related to your major in which case its not very hard to pass.Saying "it makes sense" doesnt constitute an argument. Neither is the twins in the womb analogy a sound argument. I really shouldnt have to explain this to someone who supposedly took debate cIasses in university.
But I'm not professing to be debating right now. You are. So you cant really call me out on anything. I choose to insult you and I aknowledge that I do. That has nothing to do with whether I can debate when I feel like it; and that is definitely not when dealing with people like you. Patience has its limits.
Once again, SM, I'm not even debating right now. Are you so eager to claim victory even when there is no debate going on?
Ever read his stuff on System Wars? Same style, same fanboyism, same "fingers in ears, i win."[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I have an OTcar is masterdebating and I think you are full of sh!t You can't swear, that makes you childish like me. At the end of the day, we are all God's childrenI used standard debate format for all my arguments, you don't understand it because you never learned basic debate before. Once you do you will understand the format, which you clearly don't as you resorted to personal and child like tantrum attacks. The person who loses their cool means they lose in a debate because they resort to emotions instead of logic and reason.
I can't believe you don't understand this, after all you are claiming to be the debate expert and everything. You should at least know the basics.
HoolaHoopMan
Well your posts definitely dont demonstrate your supposed knwoledge on debating. If I was your professor I would be ashamed. I hope you didnt pass the cIass. Unless its a cIass not directly related to your major in which case its not very hard to pass.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
I take debate classes at my university, I know the rules and formation of a strong argument. Something you and most other people on here do not. While you cannot prove God exists or not, one could still argue effectively for their personal beliefs which is what I did.
You however cannot and instead have to resort to childish attacks like a 5 year old, it's a way to escape from an argument but it's just silly. If this was a court romm and somone accused you of murder, you can't sit there and say "oh don't believe him, he is stupid idiot, I'm innocent, he is just dumb." that isn't a defense and no one would buy it.
It wouldn't be an argument, it would be an admission of defeat through a cop out. Which is exactly what your doing.
ShadowMoses900
Saying "it makes sense" doesnt constitute an argument. Neither is the twins in the womb analogy a sound argument. I really shouldnt have to explain this to someone who supposedly took debate cIasses in university.
But I'm not professing to be debating right now. You are. So you cant really call me out on anything. I choose to insult you and I aknowledge that I do. That has nothing to do with whether I can debate when I feel like it; and that is definitely not when dealing with people like you. Patience has its limits.
Once again, SM, I'm not even debating right now. Are you so eager to claim victory even when there is no debate going on?
I used standard debate format for all my arguments, you don't understand it because you never learned basic debate before. Once you do you will understand the format, which you clearly don't as you resorted to personal and child like tantrum attacks. The person who loses their cool means they lose in a debate because they resort to emotions instead of logic and reason.
I can't believe you don't understand this, after all you are claiming to be the debate expert and everything. You should at least know the basics.
So for you "it makes sense to me" and that twins in the womb analogy is ..."standard debate format"? Look, I'm not gonna take a cheap shot and say that lying is a sin but come on dude, the "I took x cIasses in college/university" is getting old. People have abused it way before you have so it has lost its novelty. It makes no impression anymore.What part of "I wasnt/am not even debating" do you not understand? Do you read the posts you quote?
You assume that I have to be a debating expert to consider you a crappy debater.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Yes that someone appeared out of nowhere and used his magic powers to create everything out of nothing is completely logical.
TopTierHustler
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed and guided in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, the Big Bang and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnations God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense than your idea.
Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.Your arguing semantics, which is a weak argument. It's easily defeated however, just like all sementic arguments.
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
But to give you my point of view, I believe Evolution is a tool designed by God to create life. And while some it's processes arn't random (natural and sexual selection ect...) other parts can be like changes in environment, which would force a species to adapt over time.
Are you sure you understand the process as good as you think?
Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed and guided in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, the Big Bang and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnations God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense than your idea.
ShadowMoses900
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
Because the goal of life is to make more life before it dies. If the environment changes, life has to as well in order to survive. Early single-celled life forms adapted to their environment like any other living thing, developing new habits and more complex bodies to survive better.
[QUOTE="Nuck81"]Can you quote where I said I had a problem with the Big Bang Theory?HoolaHoopMan
"Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
:lol: Again, you made an assumption of my meaning that wasn't true. I never said I had a problem with that. I was merely making a commentary on the post directly above that statement, that on the surface the Big Bang sounds just as illogical as that of a creator. You missed my point. As did all the others which is why you all immediately started attacking me, and I just laughed at your antireligious assumptions. You're not very good at this.Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed and guided in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, the Big Bang and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnations God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense than your idea.
ShadowMoses900
Your arguing semantics, which is a weak argument. It's easily defeated however, just like all sementic arguments.
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
But to give you my point of view, I believe Evolution is a tool designed by God to create life. And while some it's processes arn't random (natural and sexual selection ect...) other parts can be like changes in environment, which would force a species to adapt over time.
Are you sure you understand the process as good as you think?
Abiogenesis is the theory of where life originally came from.
It's driving force is the law of physics, chemistry and biology.
Also why do you keep using the word random? Why does something not being random mean there must be a god? Your train of thought seems to be skipping a stop, better call the conductor.
[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Can you quote where I said I had a problem with the Big Bang Theory?Nuck81
"Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
:lol: Again, you made an assumption of my meaning that wasn't true. I never said I had a problem with that. I was merely making a commentary on the post directly above that statement, that on the surface the Big Bang sounds just as illogical as that of a creator. You missed my point. As did all the others which is why you all immediately started attacking me, and I just laughed at your antireligious assumptions. You're not very good at this."By taking a theory and changing it so it now means something it didn't originally mean, I can make it look silly!"[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Apparently my employer disagrees with scientific illiterates like you. HoolaHoopManDoes he have to spell everything out for you ad nauseaum, and protect you from your own short sightedness and preconceptions? What do you do, sell encyclopedias on the corner? No, they just send me a fat check for getting results.
[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Can you quote where I said I had a problem with the Big Bang Theory?Nuck81
"Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
:lol: Again, you made an assumption of my meaning that wasn't true. I never said I had a problem with that. I was merely making a commentary on the post directly above that statement, that on the surface the Big Bang sounds just as illogical as that of a creator. You missed my point. As did all the others which is why you all immediately started attacking me, and I just laughed at your antireligious assumptions. You're not very good at this.See the point is, if you're trying so hard to express yourself ambiguously in order to get people riled up (which is what you're doing - call it an assumption, I couldnt care less) you actually render their reaction very reasonable and expectable.[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Can you quote where I said I had a problem with the Big Bang Theory?Nuck81
"Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
:lol: Again, you made an assumption of my meaning that wasn't true. I never said I had a problem with that. I was merely making a commentary on the post directly above that statement, that on the surface the Big Bang sounds just as illogical as that of a creator. You missed my point. As did all the others which is why you all immediately started attacking me, and I just laughed at your antireligious assumptions. You're not very good at this. Ah yeah that must be it, EVERYONE in this thread just didn't understand you. It wasn't that you made an off hand sarcastic remark consisting of a straw man towards the BBT. Pretty weak damage control.No, they just send me a fat check for getting results.[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Does he have to spell everything out for you ad nauseaum, and protect you from your own short sightedness and preconceptions? What do you do, sell encyclopedias on the corner?Nuck81
[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]:lol: Again, you made an assumption of my meaning that wasn't true. I never said I had a problem with that. I was merely making a commentary on the post directly above that statement, that on the surface the Big Bang sounds just as illogical as that of a creator. You missed my point. As did all the others which is why you all immediately started attacking me, and I just laughed at your antireligious assumptions. You're not very good at this. Ah yeah that must be it, EVERYONE in this thread just didn't understand you. Yes, I thought there was intelligence here."Like a Big Bang where random particles and molecules appeared from nothing to collide together haphazardly and miraculously form the Universe, Planets, and Life?"
Is your memory a bit lacking at the moment?
HoolaHoopMan
Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed and guided in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, the Big Bang and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnations God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense than your idea.
ShadowMoses900
Your arguing semantics, which is a weak argument. It's easily defeated however, just like all sementic arguments.
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
But to give you my point of view, I believe Evolution is a tool designed by God to create life. And while some it's processes arn't random (natural and sexual selection ect...) other parts can be like changes in environment, which would force a species to adapt over time.
Are you sure you understand the process as good as you think?
bla bla god did it argument is pathetic. first god did something, and everytime humanity makes any scientific advancement, it is god's "tool". evolution takes millions of years yet wasn't the bible that affirmed the earth is 6000 years old?
it's weird for god that used to kill over stupid things in the old testament and "manifest" every single time to "prophets" over anything that he dissapeared from the face of the earth since modern age came. Also weird that he "want us to go to him" but does his best to hide, weird for an all powerful being. The best "evidence" there is, is people rationalizing things in god did it, even when there is no connection at all.
My idea? Do you even know what my idea is? Now you're just talkiing out of your arse (although you could say thats what you were doing from the start)[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnation God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense then your idea.
ShadowMoses900
There is no evidence at all suggesting there is a god, none. if you have some, show it.
Well your an atheist and your theory is that life began by sheer random accident without any divine or higher power involved. So yes that is your idea of how life and the world came into existence. Random accident? When has anybody ever said that's how it occured ever? This sounds like something somebody would make up on the spot for ammo against somebody disagree with. You clearly have no idea how evolution works at all, there's little random chance. Here I'll explain it; organisms with more adaptable genes have a higher statistical probability of passing on their genes till the next generation. Repeat this trillions of times and you have what we have now. Get it? Statistics >> random chance.
There is no evidence to suggest there is no God either. None, if you have some, show it. Your just like the atheist baby in that scenario I told, you don't believe in Mom because you never saw her, and you don't believe in life after birth because there is no direct evidence for it. Same exact thing. So you failed logic 101? This is an argument a 10 year old comes up with. Here I'll do one too; "there's no evidnece unicorns don't exist, so they must exist" "There's no evidence shiva exists, so he must exist" logic 101 - u can't disprove a negative. The fetus exampel is retarded, and a poor analogy, humans have the ability to test their surrounding environment, and if it was done in the womb, it would be quickly realized there's a living organism surrounding us. Your argument is basically we don't know, therefore god must exist. God of the gaps 4thewin.
All I can say is, it makes more logical sense to believe a higher power of some sort started the process and guided it to create the world and complex life as we know it, as opposed to just believing life started from nothing and just through sheer magical accident and luck, managed to create complex life and the scietnific mechanics and laws the world is based on. Again starting from nothing....you need to take a biology class. Again believing it's random....maybe a math class too.
Both those views require faith to one degree or the other, however the second view requires far more faith than the first. And that's why I'm not an atheist, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. What a joke, evolution is testible, it's been observed and has a mountain of evidence, same with something like the big bang. Your argument is basically we don't know therefore god exists, and then you take it a step beyond that and say that the other side that has mountains upon mountains of evidence is at the same level as your side that has none.
I'm not being mean, I'm being honest, if that's your line of reasoning, you're incredibly stupid.
lotta herp derp in that post.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.
Krelian-co
Your arguing semantics, which is a weak argument. It's easily defeated however, just like all sementic arguments.
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
But to give you my point of view, I believe Evolution is a tool designed by God to create life. And while some it's processes arn't random (natural and sexual selection ect...) other parts can be like changes in environment, which would force a species to adapt over time.
Are you sure you understand the process as good as you think?
bla bla god did it argument is pathetic. first god did something, and everytime humanity makes any scientific advancement, it is god's "tool". evolution takes millions of years yet wasn't the bible that affirmed the earth is 6000 years old?
I really don't care if people believe in god an evolution, I don't think the two are necessarily incompatibale. However, this does call the idea of the Bible being the literal word of god into question, unless god is capable of making mistakes. My biggest problem, though, is when people say god is logically necessary when he's not.
Um, it's called evolution, and it's hardly random derp.[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Yes that life and the universe just appeared out of nowhere magically and eventually lead to complex life all on it's own is completely logical. Ya that makes so much more sense.
Think of it like game design, a video game has a designer, a creator. It clearly did not just pop into existence on it's own, someone took the time to program and design it. They built the engine, they built the mechanics, they built the world and everything else in that game.
Life is the same way, God desinged the universe and it's mechanics, and used them to create life and make human beings. Things like evolution are just one of the many design tools God designed and guided in this world to create life.
Gravity, atoms, DNA, the Big Bang and all the other things are just the many mechanics and foudnations God used to design the world with. It certainly makes more logical sense than your idea.
ShadowMoses900
Your arguing semantics, which is a weak argument. It's easily defeated however, just like all sementic arguments. no, there's a big difference between random and something that has a measurable and predictatble pattern to it. That's no semantics, that's a huge deal, and the fact you don't know the difference tells me you need to read more into the subject.
I will propose a challenge for you: Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? Abiogenesis, it's perfectly understood at this point. What drives it's mechanics? Alot of things, evironment, sexual preferences (seeking fertile, dominant, or partners with strong immune systems) at the genetic level it would be things like dna copying deletion or other mistakes in the copying process. Why does the process exist to begin with? Statistics; Certain traits are more likely to survive than others.These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer. Your argument is stupid at best, it's bascally saying you don't have all the answers so my view which has no evidence must be right.
But to give you my point of view, I believe Evolution is a tool designed by God to create life. And while some it's processes arn't random (natural and sexual selection ect...) other parts can be like changes in environment, which would force a species to adapt over time. I don't understand how this is relavent at all, adapting to changes in environment is a major driving force behind evolution.
Are you sure you understand the process as good as you think? Yes
I think you need to read up on the subject.God doesn't answer any of these questions.This is one thing that bugs me about religious know it alls. Even if evolution were proven to be false, it still wouldn't make your belief true. You haven't presented any evidence.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Where did the process of Evolution start or come from? What drives it's mechanics? Why does the process exist to begin with? These are all legitiment questions, so they provide a legitiment answer.
-Sun_Tzu-
No, because, based on observable reality, there is no evidence of an omnipotent, omniscient being who created the universe in order to impose certain moral rules on it and then torture those who broke the rules (even though, being omniscient, he already knew who would break those rules and who would not) but who only revealed his truth to a bunch of Bronze Age goatherders even though he could manifest himself today and thus tell us explicitly what he wants us to do.
It also seems quite germane that miracles and other manifestations of divine or supernatural power stop happening about the time that science begins to record and explain observable phenomena.
No, because, based on observable reality, there is no evidence of an omnipotent, omniscient being who created the universe in order to impose certain moral rules on it and then torture those who broke the rules (even though, being omniscient, he already knew who would break those rules and who would not) but who only revealed his truth to a bunch of Bronze Age goatherders even though he could manifest himself today and thus tell us explicitly what he wants us to do.
It also seems quite germane that miracles and other manifestations of divine or supernatural power stop happening about the time that science begins to record and explain observable phenomena.
MobilechicaneX
But, mysterious ways, all that stuff, and so on.
I believe in something
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Yes, because I don't believe that the entire world was created by blind chance.toast_burner
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Yes, because I don't believe that the entire world was created by blind chance.ShadowsDemon
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|Cause and effect =/= blind chance[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Yes, because I don't believe that the entire world was created by blind chance.ShadowsDemon
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|No I believe the universe is bound by the laws of physics.[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Yes, because I don't believe that the entire world was created by blind chance.ShadowsDemon
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|You guys keeps saying this, but I don't think you realize it just shows you have a poor understanding of biology, statistics and physics.Evolution is far from random derp.
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|ShadowsDemonHow any university could accept you is beyond me...
[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Yes, because I don't believe that the entire world was created by blind chance.ShadowsDemon
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|have you seen the universe?
there are millions of galaxies, each with billions of starts, each with the posibility of multiple planets orbiting.
make statistics and tell me its so hard that in 1 there was what was needed to form life.
but let's skip that and let's say there was an intelligent design, how do you go from intelligent design to this disgusting god portrayed by the church?
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]
"I don't understand physics, therefore god did it"
So I guess you still think the world was blind chance? :|have you seen the universe?
there are millions of galaxies, each with billions of starts, each with the posibility of multiple planets orbiting.
make statistics and tell me its so hard that in 1 there was what was needed to form life.
but let's skip that and let's say there was an intelligent design, how do you go from intelligent design to this disgusting god portrayed by the church?
Just because the church and the horny priests conjure up the theories of heaven, hell, eternal punishment, trinity, etc, does not make 'em right or in any form affect my belief of God. Why should it?It also seems quite germane that miracles and other manifestations of divine or supernatural power stop happening about the time that science begins to record and explain observable phenomena.MobilechicaneX
You obviously haven't seen Jesus on a piece of toast before.
Maybe it's cause I am drunk but I really NUck81 alot. He is kinda scary and all but at the same time really you know likable.
[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]It also seems quite germane that miracles and other manifestations of divine or supernatural power stop happening about the time that science begins to record and explain observable phenomena.
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You obviously haven't seen Jesus on a piece of toast before.
You obviously never had jesus personally butter your pancakes beforePlease Log In to post.
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