Do You Consider Yourself To Be A Good Person? Poll.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Crushmaster

Have you ever stolen anything? No.Genetic_Code

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Yes.Genetic_Code

here comes the judging part

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Crushmaster

Have you ever stolen anything? No.Genetic_Code

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Yes.Genetic_Code

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

TAKE_IT_BACK

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

here comes the judging part Enosh88

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Yes.6_volts

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

TAKE_IT_BACK

You have to remember, the Bible wasn't written last week. People had different laws and standards back then. It wasn't until the last century that women were allowed to vote.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Have you ever hated anyone? Enosh88

hmm thats a new one, way of the master updated the questions or is this one your own creation?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Enosh88

Have you ever stolen anything? No.Genetic_Code

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes.Genetic_Code

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Yes.Genetic_Code

here comes the judging part

He should have added the question "Have you ever judged people too quickly? As in "judging a book by its cover"?

You ain't perfect sport, and ain't allowed to judge people you don't know. And even the ones you know... you can decide not to hang around them, but you should try not to judge them, at least not too quickly, because you don't know where they're coming from and why they make the choices they do.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

:| so thats a womans role?

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

For the husband is the head of the wife

That's sexism, right there. It's not difference, it's inferiority.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

harashawn

You have to remember, the Bible wasn't written last week. People had different laws and standards back then. It wasn't until the last century that women were allowed to vote.

Yeah, I realize that, I just don't understand how anyone can stand behind the Bible and quote it with stuff like that in there.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

TAKE_IT_BACK

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

:| so thats a womans role?

Well what's the context?

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

:| so thats a womans role?

Well what's the context?

Would that change anything?

So what does that make you?Crushmaster

A liar.

n the Bible, it says, "Ye have heard it said of men of old to not commit adultery. But I say unto you, if a man should look at a woman, to lust after her, he has committed adultery already with her in his heart."
So, according to God's Word, you have committed adultery.Crushmaster

I'm aware of this.

The Bible says, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."Crushmaster

I'm aware of this as well.

The Bible says, Genetic, to honor God's name. If we use God's name in vain, we are committing blasphemy.Crushmaster

I'm aware of this as well, and I don't like it whenever someone says God out of anger. I am appalled as to how people will use their own belief, something of which they hold sacred, to instill vanity, not that I am to mean that all religious people are like this, but it's kind of hard to feel pleasant around a person like Reverend Wright who advocates using God to damn America, and one can make the argument that someone like Wright is not a Bible-believing Christian, which I can understand and these people should not be used to judge Christianity. Those are just my thoughts and you can take them for what they're worth. :)

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

harashawn

You have to remember, the Bible wasn't written last week. People had different laws and standards back then. It wasn't until the last century that women were allowed to vote.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

Funky_Llama

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

For the husband is the head of the wife

That's sexism, right there. It's not difference, it's inferiority.

No it's not inferiority. If there's a general of an army and he sees a recruit with excellent vision and good aim, what do you think he'll assign him as? A sniper, right? It's similar to what the Bible is saying here... Men and women are skilled in different areas.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

:| so thats a womans role?

Well what's the context?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

TAKE_IT_BACK

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

:| so thats a womans role?

Well what's the context?

Would that change anything?

It may. Also look at my response to Llama.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

For the husband is the head of the wife

That's sexism, right there. It's not difference, it's inferiority.

No it's not inferiority. If there's a general of an army and he sees a recruit with excellent vision and good aim, what do you think he'll assign him as? A sniper, right? It's similar to what the Bible is saying here... Men and women are skilled in different areas.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

For the husband is the head of the wife

That's sexism, right there. It's not difference, it's inferiority.

No it's not inferiority. If there's a general of an army and he sees a recruit with excellent vision and good aim, what do you think he'll assign him as? A sniper, right? It's similar to what the Bible is saying here... Men and women are skilled in different areas.

Thus it's outdated. And so no longer a source of morality.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="6_volts"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="6_volts"]Yes.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

Y'know what else the bible says?

:|

battlefront23

All that's saying is that men and women have different roles. :|

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

For the husband is the head of the wife

That's sexism, right there. It's not difference, it's inferiority.

No it's not inferiority. If there's a general of an army and he sees a recruit with excellent vision and good aim, what do you think he'll assign him as? A sniper, right? It's similar to what the Bible is saying here... Men and women are skilled in different areas.

So taking from that Bible quote and what you said...

The husband is always better at being the head of the family? :|

Certainly sounds like sexism to me...

Your putting up a good fight, but face it, your losing this argument.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

I have a question for you, TC.

Who is the only one that can judge?

jubino

Indeed. I don't think we'll be answering to you when we get to the pearly gates :P

Have you ever told a lie? Absolute not. Just kidding of course I have.
Have you ever stolen anything? No, I generally do not steal.
Have you ever looked with lust? Who hasn't? Of course.
Have you ever hated anyone? I generally hate stupid and/or weak people as a whole.
Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Of course, god doesn't care.

Crushmaster

Bad example to choose: extending it, men have higher rank than women. Sexism.Funky_Llama

So taking from that Bible quote and what you said...

The husband is always better at being the head of the family? :|

Certainly sounds like sexism to me...

TAKE_IT_BACK

And a mother is always a better caretaker of children than men. Is that sexist too? :| I'm not saying a man can't take care of his children, but a woman, on average, could do a better job than a man.

Aye. You won't.
But I don't exactly see how asking you a few simple questions is judging you.Crushmaster

Asking questions and telling people what their response makes them.

What does that make you?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] Thus it's outdated. And so no longer a source of morality.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

By human standards, yes.

By Bible standards, no.

battlefront23

Have either of those changed?

What kind of question is that?

Just answer it or don't. I find no point in your reply. Maybe I'm asking it to prove a point? ;)

Biblical standards are standards that no one can fulfill, thus making everyone a bad person.

By human standards, doing one venial thing isn't going to scar your life and permanently label you a "bad person". Human standards can change over time, people can change themselves for the better, and people can be forgiven. It just seems more optimistic and not so self-degrading.

So to answer your question directly:

Bible standards will not change under any circumstance.

Human standards can change over time and are variable depending on a number of factors.

Of course a topic about morality had to be hijacked by the OT into a discussion about whether or not the Bible is sexist.

Though this is probably a new record for the length of survival of a semi-religion oriented thread's on-topic-ness here in off-topic :)

Have you ever told a lie? YesGodLovesDead

Have you ever stolen anything? YesGodLovesDead

Have you ever looked with lust? Every dayGodLovesDead

Have you ever hated anyone? YesGodLovesDead

Have you ever used God's name in vain? All the time. Doesn't have a bearing on if you're a good person or not.GodLovesDead

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

So taking from that Bible quote and what you said...

The husband is always better at being the head of the family? :|

Certainly sounds like sexism to me...

battlefront23

And a mother is always a better caretaker of children than men. Is that sexist too? :| I'm not saying a man can't take care of his children, but a woman, on average, could do a better job than a man.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Bad example to choose: extending it, men have higher rank than women. Sexism.battlefront23

The equivalent is the man being the general and the woman a private or some other lower rank. The woman's role is not merely different; it is inferior.

For comparison: if I said that blacks should submit themselves to whites, would it be racist?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]So what does that make you?Genetic_Code

A liar.

n the Bible, it says, "Ye have heard it said of men of old to not commit adultery. But I say unto you, if a man should look at a woman, to lust after her, he has committed adultery already with her in his heart."
So, according to God's Word, you have committed adultery.Crushmaster

I'm aware of this.

The Bible says, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."Crushmaster

I'm aware of this as well.

The Bible says, Genetic, to honor God's name. If we use God's name in vain, we are committing blasphemy.Crushmaster

I'm aware of this as well, and I don't like it whenever someone says God out of anger. I am appalled as to how people will use their own belief, something of which they hold sacred, to instill vanity, not that I am to mean that all religious people are like this, but it's kind of hard to feel pleasant around a person like Reverend Wright who advocates using God to damn America, and one can make the argument that someone like Wright is not a Bible-believing Christian, which I can understand and these people should not be used to judge Christianity. Those are just my thoughts and you can take them for what they're worth. :)

Of course a topic about morality had to be hijacked by the OT into a discussion about whether or not the Bible is sexist.

Though this is probably a new record for the length of survival of a semi-religion oriented thread's on-topic-ness here in off-topic :)

thepwninator

Indeed it probably is. :P Are you a Christian and/or just annoyed with the OT's bashing of the Bible?

And a mother is always a better caretaker than the man. Is that sexist too? :|

battlefront23

I would say that's your observation. The "always" is a bit too much of an over-generalization. Lose it and you're fine.

I don't think the idea that women, in general, are better caretakers than men, is sexist. Even though I don't like the concept of females feeling obligated to being caretakers just because they're a female.

And a mother is always a better caretaker of children than men. Is that sexist too? :|battlefront23

Yes:| Did I say that?

I'm not saying a mancan'ttake care of his children, but a woman, on average, could do a better job than a man.battlefront23

Well, of course it has some morally good bits to counteract the insanity in the Old Testament. But to identify, say, the death penalty for homosexuality as bad, and love your neighbour as good, we need some external criterion. And once you have that means of telling whether parts of the Bible are good or bad, why bother with the Bible for moral guidance?Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="jubino"][QUOTE="harashawn"]

I have a question for you, TC.

Who is the only one that can judge?

Crushmaster

Indeed. I don't think we'll be answering to you when we get to the pearly gates :P

beacose we all know where those questions lead to

Thank you for your honesty, GC.:) Now for the conclusion...
According to God's standard, the Ten Commandments, you are a lying, adulterous, murdering, blasphemer at heart.
Based on these answers, what do you think your eternal destiny is going to be? Heaven or hell?Crushmaster

And you are a judge. What do you think your eternal destiny is going to be? Heaven or hell?

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The Bible says, "Ye have heard it said of men of old to not committ adultery. But I say unto you, that whosoever looks at a woman, to lust after her, has committed adultery already with her in his heart."
GLD, according to God's Word, you have committed adultery.
Crushmaster

As far as I'm aware, it's only adultery if you are married or have relations with someone who is. Otherwise, it's just sex. :?

Thank you for your honesty, GC.:) Now for the conclusion...
According to God's standard, the Ten Commandments, you are a lying, adulterous, murdering, blasphemer at heart.
Based on these answers, what do you think your eternal destiny is going to be? Heaven or hell?Crushmaster