Do You Consider Yourself To Be A Good Person? Poll.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] But surely then, if actions matter, it would make sense for the reciprocal to apply, ie non-Christians who've led good lives should go to heaven.LJS9502_basic

by his logic you are wrong.

Enosh88

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"] Invent an easier version of Christianity? If someone says, "Hey, I'm a Christian now, I'm saved, I can go do whatever I want!" I highly doubt they were ever a Christian.
If you are truly saved, there will be a change.
And I, my friend, have been changed. I am a new creature in Christ Jesus my Lord!LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Call me brainwashed or w/e, but until someone proves the Bible isn't inerrant, I will believe what it says.

harashawn

The muslim God and Christian God are the same.

:roll: Oh, so homosexuals are abominations now, eh? Don't even get me started...

Listen: I attend a homosexual friendly church. They preform homosexual weddings there. Is that all sin? Are all these people damned to hell? Well then I'm not so sure I agree with God on all this stuff. Maybe he/she should open his/her eyes.

Oh yeah, I went there. Does that mean I'm going to hell now? Thats a shame.

Also, TC, if you were hoping of converting people online, let me tell you, you failed. In fact, before I entered this thread, I was agnostic. Now I'm an atheist, just because of the absolutely opinions you and other Christians have. Don't get me wrong, I respect your belief in God, but I cannot understand how you can defend that terrible book you call holy.

TAKE_IT_BACK

Homosexuality is an abomination; not the homosexual. Adulterery is an abomination; not the adulterer. It's the same thing.

I wouldn't know other then the fact they obviously aren't following what the Bible teaches about the subject. If someone is homosexual who isn't a Christian, then yes they obviously are going to Hell. If a homosexual is struggling to fight it and is a Christian, he will go to Heaven.

I didn't think I would convert you or Llama, but that doesn't mean I know for a fact you guys won't change your mind. That's the hope I have when I go to bed. Then maybe one day it will click for you guys. :)

I desire not to condemn homosexuals, I merely want to help them. Ask Theokhoth. Many Christians (Crush, I'm not referring to anyone from CWU) called him names and said absolutely terrible things about him. I didn't. I asked him merely if he knew what he was doing was wrong. He knows it is and he's trying to be celibate. And I respect him for that. So please, please don't pull the homophobia card on me. I am in no way homophobic; I just desire to help them or anyone else in the world about Jesus. Which is why I post on here. :D

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"] But surely then, if actions matter, it would make sense for the reciprocal to apply, ie non-Christians who've led good lives should go to heaven.Funky_Llama

*hands you a new Bible*

Praise the Lord!

:P

Fine, replace 'Muslim' with 'Hindu' if you want.Funky_Llama

Which Hindu god? :P

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

:roll: Oh, so homosexuals are abominations now, eh? Don't even get me started...

Listen: I attend a homosexual friendly church. They preform homosexual weddings there. Is that all sin? Are all these people damned to hell? Well then I'm not so sure I agree with God on all this stuff. Maybe he/she should open his/her eyes.

Oh yeah, I went there. Does that mean I'm going to hell now? Thats a shame.

Also, TC, if you were hoping of converting people online, let me tell you, you failed. In fact, before I entered this thread, I was agnostic. Now I'm an atheist, just because of the absolutely opinions you and other Christians have. Don't get me wrong, I respect your belief in God, but I cannot understand how you can defend that terrible book you call holy.

battlefront23

Homosexuality is an abomination; not the homosexual. Adulterery is an abomination; not the adulterer. It's the same thing.

I wouldn't know other then the fact they obviously aren't following what the Bible teaches about the subject. If someone is homosexual who isn't a Christian, then yes they obviously are going to Hell. If a homosexual is struggling to fight it and is a Christian, he will go to Heaven.

I didn't think I would convert you or Llama, but that doesn't mean I know for a fact you guys won't change your mind. That's the hope I have when I go to bed. Then maybe one day it will click for you guys. :) I desire not to condemn homosexuals, I merely want to help them. Ask Theokhoth. Many Christians (Crush, I'm not referring to anyone from CWU) called him names and said absolutely terrible things about him. I didn't. I asked him merely if he knew what he was doing was wrong. He knows it is and he's trying to be celibate. And I respect him for that. So please, please the homophobia card on me. I am in no way homophobic; I jus desire to help them or anyone else in the world about Jesus. Which is why I post on here. :D

And no they are not blatantly sexist quotes.

battlefront23

I'm obviously not getting anywhere...

I think I may make a poll...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]

It sounds like some posters are saying that one sin (depending on the sin I guess) is enough. Basically, (since NOBODY, including the pope, is THAT perfect) the world consists of 6 billion EVIL individuals and the only way they can be called GOOD is if they accept Christ. That image doesn't feel right to me.

Funky_Llama

I'm going to bed now. :(

Good lord, this topic gained 200 posts in less than two hours!:shock:Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Fine, replace 'Muslim' with 'Hindu' if you want.harashawn

Which Hindu god? :P

wow crushmaster is a born again Christan at the age oh what is it thirteen.Ingenemployee

Why does age matter at all?

Good lord, this topic gained 200 posts in less than two hours!:shock:Theokhoth

I've been busy. *sweats profusely*

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]wow crushmaster is a born again Christan at the age oh what is it thirteen.battlefront23

Why does age matter at all?

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

Crushmaster, could you give me an estimate of how many sins you have committed within the past week or so? :D

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]wow crushmaster is a born again Christan at the age oh what is it thirteen.Enosh88

Why does age matter at all?

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things. Take Thomas Jefferson for example. One of the youngest men in the Second Cont. Congress. And guess who the Congress voted for to write the Declaration of Independence? Mr. Jefferson. ;)

I wouldn't know other then the fact they obviously aren't following what the Bible teaches about the subject. If someone is homosexual who isn't a Christian, then yes they obviously are going to Hell. If a homosexual is struggling to fight it and is a Christian, he will go to Heaven.

I didn't think I would convert you or Llama, but that doesn't mean I know for a fact you guys won't change your mind. That's the hope I have when I go to bed. Then maybe one day it will click for you guys. :)

I desire not to condemn homosexuals, I merely want to help them. Ask Theokhoth. Many Christians (Crush, I'm not referring to anyone from CWU) called him names and said absolutely terrible things about him. I didn't. I asked him merely if he knew what he was doing was wrong. He knows it is and he's trying to be celibate. And I respect him for that. So please, please don't pull the homophobia card on me. I am in no way homophobic; I just desire to help them or anyone else in the world about Jesus. Which is why I post on here. :D

battlefront23

Well, I have to go now, but before I go... about "fighting" homosexuality?

Look at this;)

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]wow crushmaster is a born again Christan at the age oh what is it thirteen.Enosh88

Why does age matter at all?

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

Believe me, that doesn't apply to everyone. >_>

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things. Take Thomas Jefferson for example. One of the youngest men in the Second Cont. Congress. And guess who the Congress voted for to write the Declaration of Independence? Mr. Jefferson. ;)

battlefront23

Cool self loathing and the denial of what it means to be truly human! Sign me up!

Well, I have to go now, but before I go... about "fighting" homosexuality?

Look at this;)

TAKE_IT_BACK

I have the desire to lie but does that make it right?

[QUOTE="Enosh88"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]wow crushmaster is a born again Christan at the age oh what is it thirteen.Theokhoth

Why does age matter at all?

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

Believe me, that doesn't apply to everyone. >_>

exceptions confirm the rule

[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

battlefront23

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things.

So, you're saying you have more experience and knowledge than an 80 year old man?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I wouldn't know other then the fact they obviously aren't following what the Bible teaches about the subject. If someone is homosexual who isn't a Christian, then yes they obviously are going to Hell. If a homosexual is struggling to fight it and is a Christian, he will go to Heaven.

I didn't think I would convert you or Llama, but that doesn't mean I know for a fact you guys won't change your mind. That's the hope I have when I go to bed. Then maybe one day it will click for you guys. :)

I desire not to condemn homosexuals, I merely want to help them. Ask Theokhoth. Many Christians (Crush, I'm not referring to anyone from CWU) called him names and said absolutely terrible things about him. I didn't. I asked him merely if he knew what he was doing was wrong. He knows it is and he's trying to be celibate. And I respect him for that. So please, please don't pull the homophobia card on me. I am in no way homophobic; I just desire to help them or anyone else in the world about Jesus. Which is why I post on here. :D

TAKE_IT_BACK

Well, I have to go now, but before I go... about "fighting" homosexuality?

Look at this;)

Did you read that?

Before I started researching this topic on the world-wide-web, I did not realize what a new and controversial issue the genetics of homosexuality was. From tid-bits of news that I had picked up along the way, I thought that scientists had located, without a doubt, a gene that plays a role in influencing sexual orientation. From the research that I have discussed above, that is obviously not the case. I am eager to follow this subject more in the future and see what biology will discover next.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things. Take Thomas Jefferson for example. One of the youngest men in the Second Cont. Congress. And guess who the Congress voted for to write the Declaration of Independence? Mr. Jefferson. ;)

LJS9502_basic

He was 33. The rest of the Congress were in there fifties.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Enosh88"]

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

harashawn

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things.

So, you're saying you have more experience and knowledge than an 80 year old man?

I said that?

Yes, I will call you old fashioned. Because your blindly following God rather then thinking for yourself and realizing how blatantly sexist that was.TAKE_IT_BACK

Sadly? Are you joking? So you'd rather have it back to the days when women couldn't vote and had no rights?TAKE_IT_BACK

I said that?

battlefront23

Sorry, you didn't say it. But you did imply that you think this.

I have the desire to lie but does that make it right?

battlefront23

I don't know about you but I find it much, much, much easier to control my desire to lie than to control my desire to have sex.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Enosh88"]

ofcourse age matters, it is with age that you get more knowledge and expirience

harashawn

No it doesn't. Regardless of age or experience, a young person can say and prove true things.

So, you're saying you have more experience and knowledge than an 80 year old man?

What if the 80-year-old man has Alzheimers?

He was 33. The rest of the Congress were in there fifties.

battlefront23

Cool self loathing and the denial of what it means to be truly human! Sign me up!

peppersfan2

you are now signed up! we will charge you 100 dollars of the LORDS money every month. SALVATION IS ONLY 15 PAYMENTS AWAY!!

Knowledge is relative to the person that posesses it. It is not something that is granted with age but rather something that a person collects. Some can collect more in a year at a young age than many in a lifetime.peppersfan2

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I have the desire to lie but does that make it right?

Dark_Knight6

I don't know about you but I find it much, much, much easier to control my desire to lie than to control my desire to have sex.

But it's still a sinful desire like lying. You're honestly saying you rarely have the urge to lie?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I said that?

harashawn

Sorry, you didn't say it. But you did imply that you think this.

How did I imply that?

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

I said that?

battlefront23

Sorry, you didn't say it. But you did imply that you think this.

How did I imply that?

Unintentionally, I guess.

[QUOTE="peppersfan2"]Knowledge is relative to the person that posesses it. It is not something that is granted with age but rather something that a person collects. Some can collect more in a year at a young age than many in a lifetime.LJS9502_basic

Experiance is a way of gaining wisdom. Not a prerequsite. Although what is experiance? If I read a book or live a certain time is that experiance?

But it's still a sinful desire like lying. You're honestly saying you rarely have the urge to lie?

battlefront23

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that I find that desire very easy to control, unlike my sexual desires.

A thought is not a sin. I don't care about "character assasination" or "adultery" or whatever you wanna call it. Until I commit the act I am not deviant.

Certain thought patterns may be unhealthy or immature but they are not immoral.

If a person with split personalities has one persona where he is a atheist but the other one is christian does he go to hell?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But it's still a sinful desire like lying. You're honestly saying you rarely have the urge to lie?

Dark_Knight6

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that I find that desire very easy to control, unlike my sexual desires.

As do I. Sexual sin is probably the hardest sin to defeat for males. (OMG Sexist!) Even I fail a lot when I try to beat it. But that doesn't mean it's right and that's what I was trying to prove the whole time. :P

A thought is not a sin.

peppersfan2

Under what authority do you have to make that statement?

If a person with split personalities has one persona where he is a atheist but the other one is christian does he go to hell?

peppersfan2

Only half of him does. :P