Do You Consider Yourself To Be A Good Person? Poll.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Crushmaster

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

Yes.

Have you ever stolen anything?

Yes but i was like 9 years old and i really wanted some silly puddy from the Dollar Store..

Have you ever looked with lust?

Yes.

Have you ever hated anyone?

Yes but i often don't

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word?

yea i guess.... "OMFG"

I'm a horrible person in the eyes of God (only one I said no to) *Ashamed* :cry:

But seriously, I think I'm not too bad, I'm human. :P

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]I used to lie a lot to get people off my back, it's pretty much solved now, though. Crushmaster

I haven't stolen anything since I was in elementary school. black_cat19

I like women, what can I say? That doesn't mean I go about staring at every pair of bewbs and drooling over every butt I see, though, I know how to control myself. black_cat19

I always use God's name in vain, I don't see a problem with it, surely he can handle an insignificant ant like myself calling him names? black_cat19

A liar, not anymore though.

A thief, not anymore either.

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway.

A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Blood-Scribe

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Crushmaster

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

domatron23

Petty acts of evangelism. He has yet to learn, however, that people just can't believe in anything--life simply doesn't work that way.

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

domatron23

[QUOTE="domatron23"]

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

Crushmaster

That doesn't answer the question, though, especially considering that your god's word is only powerful towards the people who believe in him. Your average atheist wouldn't care what your god thinks because [god] doesn't believe that he exists overall.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Blood-Scribe

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

Have you ever told a lie? Yes.SneakySnake151

Have you ever stolen anything? Yes but i was like 9 years old and i really wanted some silly puddy from the Dollar Store..SneakySnake151

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.SneakySnake151

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes but i often don'tSneakySnake151

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? yea i guess.... "OM**" SneakySnake151

So, since you've told a lie, what does that make you?

Since you've stolen something, what does that make you?

The Bible says, "Ye have heard it said of men of old to not commit adultery. But I say unto, whoever looks upon a woman, to lust after her, has committed adultery already with her in his heart."
According to God's Word, Snake, when we look with lust, we are committing adultery.

The Bible says, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer."
So when we hate, Snake, according to God's Word, we are committing murder.

The Bible commands us to honor God's name. When we use it inappropriately, we are committing blasphemy.Crushmaster

Odd how this should make me feel screwed except that I feel anything but.

No, He is not a liar. But saying you're sorry is not what saves you. Let's do a quick story:
Let's say there's a man convicted of grand theft. He's standing in front of the judge.
"You know, judge," he says, "I know what I did was wrong, but...I'm really, really sorry. Can I go free? Please?"
If the judge is a just man, he obviously cannot let him go free! Someone has to pay the penalty of the crime.
Scribe, Christ has paid the penalty of the crime. He paid it when He died two thousand years ago on the Cross of Calvary. However...unless we accept Him as our Lord and Savior, and repent of our sins, our fine will be left unpaid, and we will still be on our way to a devil's hell.Crushmaster

Dude, you're missing the point. He said he was cool with it, and he said he'd clear it all up for me.

What don't you understand? I'm a good person now.

[QUOTE="SneakySnake151"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes.Crushmaster

Have you ever stolen anything? Yes but i was like 9 years old and i really wanted some silly puddy from the Dollar Store..SneakySnake151

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.SneakySnake151

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes but i often don'tSneakySnake151

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? yea i guess.... "OM**" SneakySnake151

Don't you ever get tired of repeating the same thing to everyone? You've clearly got it memorized. :P

Besides, have you ever noticed no one but already devout christians actually listens?

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Crushmaster

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

You're comparing stealing a car and going to jail for 6 months with lying to a person and burning in a lake of fire for eternity. That doesn't sound just to me.

A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.black_cat19

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.Crushmaster

He is not talking about increments of time, but that he does not share any more significant extremes. He may be a liar, but he's not "anymore" of a liar. He may be a thief, but he's not "anymore" of a thief.

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Believe that if you will. But you will have to spend the rest of eternity locked within a coffin in the ground or stuffed within a vase. See how this works?

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

He doesn't believe that the Bible is true, so why would he care what it has to say?

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.Crushmaster

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

You can't undo what's been done, you will forever have murdered someone, but I don't think you are doomed keep being a murderer forever, people can change.

Well then so be it. Assuming he actually exists, if he's truly all-loving and all that, maybe he'll understand, and if he's the insecure, arrogant dictator the bible makes him out to be, then I guess I will burn for all eternity.

Again with the bible? I refer you to the wheel of power I posted earlier.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.black_cat19

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

You can't undo what's been done, you will forever have murdered someone, but I don't think you are doomed keep being a murderer forever, people can change.

Well then so be it. Assuming he actually exists, if he's truly all-loving and all that, maybe he'll understand, and if he's the insecure, arrogant dictator the bible makes him out to be, then I guess I will burn for all eternity.

Again with the bible? I refer you to the wheel of power I posted earlier.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.Crushmaster

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

You can't undo what's been done, you will forever have murdered someone, but I don't think you are doomed keep being a murderer forever, people can change.

Well then so be it. Assuming he actually exists, if he's truly all-loving and all that, maybe he'll understand, and if he's the insecure, arrogant dictator the bible makes him out to be, then I guess I will burn for all eternity.

Again with the bible? I refer you to the wheel of power I posted earlier.

He doesn't believe in the Bible, his mind is already set. Why do you try so hard to sway his beliefs? Doing so is only fighting a losing battle. You cannot change one's beliefs without supplying a source of greater understanding, which you have yet to do.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) -Jiggles-

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

You're comparing stealing a car and going to jail for 6 months with lying to a person and burning in a lake of fire for eternity. That doesn't sound just to me.

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Crushmaster

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.cowboymonkey21

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Yes. cowboymonkey21

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.-Jiggles-

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

You can't undo what's been done, you will forever have murdered someone, but I don't think you are doomed keep being a murderer forever, people can change.

Well then so be it. Assuming he actually exists, if he's truly all-loving and all that, maybe he'll understand, and if he's the insecure, arrogant dictator the bible makes him out to be, then I guess I will burn for all eternity.

Again with the bible? I refer you to the wheel of power I posted earlier.

He doesn't believe in the Bible, his mind is already set. Why do you try so hard to sway his beliefs? Doing so is only fighting a losing battle. You cannot change one's beliefs without supplying a source of greater understanding, which you have yet to do.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.cowboymonkey21

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Yes. cowboymonkey21

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) Crushmaster

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

You're comparing stealing a car and going to jail for 6 months with lying to a person and burning in a lake of fire for eternity. That doesn't sound just to me.

You missed the point I was getting at myself--the penalty you speak of is way too extreme for the action the man did. If you steal a car and are proven guilty, you will probably spend 6 months in jail. However, the logic you're presenting me is that such a simple negative action, such as lying, is substantial reason for an all-powerful deity to condemn a person for eternity to inhumane, abominable torture.

Again, lying to somebody is enough for God to send your soul into eternal damnation? Why is that?

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]A liar, not anymore though. A thief, not anymore either.Crushmaster

I don't buy that, thanks for the info anyway. A book commands me? Nuh-uh, I don't think so...black_cat19

Oh, I forgot about the hate question: Yes, I hate some people, and I admit it's not a good thing, but I don't buy that whole murder stuff either, I could never hurt anyone, not even those I hate.black_cat19

You can't undo what's been done, you will forever have murdered someone, but I don't think you are doomed keep being a murderer forever, people can change.

Well then so be it. Assuming he actually exists, if he's truly all-loving and all that, maybe he'll understand, and if he's the insecure, arrogant dictator the bible makes him out to be, then I guess I will burn for all eternity.

Again with the bible? I refer you to the wheel of power I posted earlier.

He doesn't believe in the Bible, his mind is already set. Why do you try so hard to sway his beliefs? Doing so is only fighting a losing battle. You cannot change one's beliefs without supplying a source of greater understanding, which you have yet to do.

Following your religion is fine and dandy, but your constant attempts at evangelism on these forums aren't helping anybody. Again, black_cat19 already has his mind set on what he believes, and no amount of quote mining from the Bible will otherwise change his beliefs.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I always lie. (The previous statement is true) -Jiggles-

Just because I borrowed without returning doesn't mean I was stealing. Blood-Scribe

No, I was merely taking notice of certain anatomical features for taxonomic purposes. Blood-Scribe

I am a terrible person. Blood-Scribe

Okay, I guess I'll go repent now.

Jesus said he's cool with it.

Am I a good person now?

What gives? I told him I was sorry, he said he'd put in a good word for me, and all I get is a blob of text over the internet.

Is he a liar, or something?

You're comparing stealing a car and going to jail for 6 months with lying to a person and burning in a lake of fire for eternity. That doesn't sound just to me.

You missed the point I was getting at myself--the penalty you speak of is way too extreme for the action the man did. If you steal a car and are proven guilty, you will probably spend 6 months in jail. However, the logic you're presenting me is that such a simple negative action, such as lying, is substantial reason for an all-powerful deity to condemn a person to eternity is inhumane, abominable torture.

Again, lying to somebody is enough for God to send your soul into eternal damnation? Why is that?

Thank you for your response, Cowboy. I appreciate you taking the time to go through these questions with me. Now for our conclusion...
According to God's Standard, the Ten Commandments, you are a lying, adulterous, murdering blasphemer.
Based on these answers, what do you think your eternal destiny is going to be? Heaven or hell?Crushmaster

*Is shocked at how serious this is being said* >_>

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]You missed the point I was getting at myself--the penalty you speak of is way too extreme for the action the man did. If you steal a car and are proven guilty, you will probably spend 6 months in jail. However, the logic you're presenting me is that such a simple negative action, such as lying, is substantial reason for an all-powerful deity to condemn a person to eternity is inhumane, abominable torture.

Again, lying to somebody is enough for God to send your soul into eternal damnation? Why is that?

Crushmaster

Why is your god's ability to cleanse a man of sin dependent on whether he believes in that god or not? Why must one believe that the Christian god exists in order to reap full benefits of what that god has to offer? I would imagine that, considering the Christian god is omnipotent, he would be able to cleanse the soul of any man without relying on whether that man believes in him or not. Will this only become another "free will" debate, though?

[QUOTE="domatron23"]

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

Crushmaster

You're saying that the Bible is powerful because the Bible says that the Bible is powerful. That's entirely circular. Every non-Christian, non-biblical person on this forum has brushed aside your evangelism so easily simply because of the fact that the Bible has no relevance to them.

I've made the point before that the Bible is as impotent in authority for an atheist as the book of Mormon is to you. I ask you again why bring this up to non-believers when they clearly are not concerned by the claims of the Bible?

If this is going to work you must first explain to us why we should take the Bible seriously.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

domatron23

You're saying that the Bible is powerful because the Bible says that the Bible is powerful. That's entirely circular. Every non-Christian, non-biblical person on this forum has brushed aside your evangelism so easily simply because of the fact that the Bible has no relevance to them.

I've made the point before that the Bible is as impotent in authority for an atheist as the book of Mormon is to you. I ask you again why bring this up to non-believers when they clearly are not concerned by the claims of the Bible?

If this is going to work you must first explain to us why we should take the Bible seriously.

Because the Bible says so, obviously...

>_>

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

Hey Crushmaster, by God's standards I'm a terrible person but this is not relevant to me at all given that I am an atheist.

Doesn't this line of questioning only really apply to Christians and people who are already convinced of the Bibles truth? Why do you bring it up to non-believers?

-Jiggles-

You're saying that the Bible is powerful because the Bible says that the Bible is powerful. That's entirely circular. Every non-Christian, non-biblical person on this forum has brushed aside your evangelism so easily simply because of the fact that the Bible has no relevance to them.

I've made the point before that the Bible is as impotent in authority for an atheist as the book of Mormon is to you. I ask you again why bring this up to non-believers when they clearly are not concerned by the claims of the Bible?

If this is going to work you must first explain to us why we should take the Bible seriously.

Because the Bible says so, obviously...

>_>

I'll wager that he'll actually try to use the Bible in answering that question. That and Jesus probably.

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything?

Have you ever looked with lust?

Have you ever hated anyone?

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word?

Crushmaster

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. I dont like to use lust.

4. No

5. No

No need to ask more questions my dear. ;)

First I saw the poll and I was like :). Then I saw the TC's post and I was like :( not another annoying religion thread.deepdreamer256

QFT...

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. Crushmaster

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.cowboymonkey21

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever told a lie? Yes

Have you ever stolen anything? Yes

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Like as a swear word? Yes

Crushmaster

So since I've done those things what does that make me?

Well it seems rather insane to say that doing something once ascribes the nature of that action as a part of your character. One time I spent a rather frivolous amount of money on candy but that doesn't mean that as a person I am frivolous. In fact everyone who knows me knows that I'm a thrifty tightwad. Nevertheless I'm sure that there are some passages in the Bible which say I'm a bad person already so I think that it's safe to call me a murdering, lying, blasphemous, adulterous theif.

Given that conclusion I suppose that I'm not a good person at all and furthermore I have not accepted Christ as my saviour so undoubtedly I will be going straight to hell for eternity.

You know what I like my conclusion better. I'll be happy to accept God's just as soon as the Bible is given any legitamacy whatsoever though.

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]

I can't wait till the TC gets to me>_> That'll be interesting...

Also, Crushmaster, I've noticed you have failed to comment on the issue battlefront, llama and I are discussing- Care to say something?

And I read the thread in your sig, and now I realize your against H0mosexual marriage. You make me sick.

Crushmaster

1. get over it.

2. stop the religious topics on OT unless theyre not annoyingly biased.

these discussions are annoying as hell and end up an arguement.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"]Have you ever told a lie? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever looked with lust? Yes.cowboymonkey21

Have you ever hated anyone? Yes. cowboymonkey21

Have you ever used God's name in vain? Yes. cowboymonkey21

I'll wager that he'll actually try to use the Bible in answering that question. That and Jesus probably. domatron23

[QUOTE="domatron23"]I'll wager that he'll actually try to use the Bible in answering that question. That and Jesus probably. Crushmaster

Good. Personally I find those reasons to be unconvincing but those are the things you should bring up before you use the Bible as an ultimate source of authority. It gives your argument a base to start off from.

TC, the point of Christianity is to follow in Jesus' footsteps, to walk alongside him. Not to praise him. Whether or not you are a good person is not in any way affected by who or what you praise, but by how you live your life.

In other words:

"All your belief cannot absolve your sin."

-Disturbed

[QUOTE="domatron23"]I'll wager that he'll actually try to use the Bible in answering that question. That and Jesus probably. Crushmaster

1. Actually I just recently started reading The Bible, and already I have found a lot of contradictions in Genesis 1-3 alone. There's also a neat little essay linked to Genesis 3 that gives some interesting historical and political context to that chapter, as usual, all religious things have a hidden political and social agenda behind them...

2 and 4: I don't argue wether or not the things written in the bible actually happened. Except for the most outrageous ones like cities burning to ashes in a moment or a world-wide flood that killed every living thing, I do believe the people and places in the bible existed, but just because their existence can be backed archeologically that does not mean the bible is holy, nor is it proof that god exists and did all the things the bible claims. You said it yourself, the bible is a fairly accurate historical document, but nothing more, in no way does it prove the existence of god, and by extension, in no way does it prove it is the word of god.

3. I could foresee china eventually collapsing or russia rising again as a superpower, given enough time it may or may not happen, but if it does, that does not mean I'm a prophet or have any ties with god.