Do you feel Racial Slurs can be used in a way that isn't racist?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This analogy is so silly.

"Fat" and "obese" can be descriptive terms whereas the n-word is not a descriptive term. It is a perjorative term.

Not only a couple of people are offended by the word. It has a deep and dark history.

Like I said, it's not about "limiting the English language". It's about being responsible about one's word choice. The word is appropriate in limited contexts.

Nibroc420

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

Of course it is. Look it up in the dictionary and you'll see that you're wrong.

"Negro" is not neccesarily perjorative, but the n word most certain is. To say otherwise would be ignorant of history.

Your last claim is just silly. Just because one refains from saying certain words doesn't mean the language is limited. The term is allowed in certain contexts.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This analogy is so silly.

"Fat" and "obese" can be descriptive terms whereas the n-word is not a descriptive term. It is a perjorative term.

Not only a couple of people are offended by the word. It has a deep and dark history.

Like I said, it's not about "limiting the English language". It's about being responsible about one's word choice. The word is appropriate in limited contexts.

Nibroc420

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. Nibroc420

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It depends on how you use it, but said it "to blacks" and not gotten any type of negative reactions.

thegerg

No I am pretty sure if you walk up to a stranger that is black, that there is no way you could use that slur for them to have a positive reaction..

Than your discussing with "friends" in whihc you can say the most vulgar things possible... Unfounded? Ignorant? I reckon you should do a experiement.. Record the reaction of each black person you come across when you say the n word.. Lets see how many postiive and negative reactions there are.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. mems_1224

White males are responsible for all the worlds problems... ALL OF THEM!!

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. mems_1224

No because of historical context.

The "white people are evil" is just a nonsense a strawman.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="RYDERFTN"] I guess it just the key of being black I guess(dont know a better way to put it) As ive noticed throughout my life I can say n-word all I like and nobody cares.But as soon as somone not black says it everyone gets offended I see that as being a hypocrite. I cant count how many times ive used that word and nobody cares.GreySeal9

Like I said to that other guy, you might live in some strange place where nobody cares, but I can assure you that outside of your experiences, people do care.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This analogy is so silly.

"Fat" and "obese" can be descriptive terms whereas the n-word is not a descriptive term. It is a perjorative term.

Not only a couple of people are offended by the word. It has a deep and dark history.

Like I said, it's not about "limiting the English language". It's about being responsible about one's word choice. The word is appropriate in limited contexts.

Ravensmash

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. thegerg

Care to elaborate?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]im hispanic and i've used the n word around people i dont know and i've never had a problem. no one cares when i say itmems_1224

Like I said to that other guy, you might live in some strange place where nobody cares, but I can assure you that outside of your experiences, people do care.

And?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This analogy is so silly.

"Fat" and "obese" can be descriptive terms whereas the n-word is not a descriptive term. It is a perjorative term.

Not only a couple of people are offended by the word. It has a deep and dark history.

Like I said, it's not about "limiting the English language". It's about being responsible about one's word choice. The word is appropriate in limited contexts.

Nibroc420

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

Oh boy :roll: we do this all the time... There are approriate times for using profanity and such things, and not.. For most we don't use the same kind of language we do with our friends and with our mother's in law.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So Blacks can use it, but White people cant? What happened to Racial Equality?heysharpshooter

White males are responsible for all the worlds problems... ALL OF THEM!!

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. GreySeal9

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It's not pejorative at all.

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

Nibroc420

Except nobody has called for the ban of every word that can be considered perjorative. That's yet another strawman.

All anybody has said is that people should use language in responsible ways.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So Blacks can use it, but White people cant? What happened to Racial Equality?Nibroc420

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

Obviously both can be a form of context.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It's not pejorative at all.

the N word's Denotation is "Black person" Why can the two not be interchangeable? Why do we allow it to maintain such a negative connotation.

And yes, it does limit the english language. "You can't call them that, you have to call them this" Why dont we just remove every synonym ?

Nibroc420

Except n-word is built upon a history of racism over centuries.. Where people who lived during those times and witnessed the racism before civil rights are still alive today.. And no one is banning the word, just be ready to pay the consquences by some ones reactions to what you say..

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So Blacks can use it, but White people cant? What happened to Racial Equality?Nibroc420

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Because it's historical usage has been associated with racism, a struggle for civil rights and segregation? Sure, it may be absolutely trivial for someone in a younger generation, but I HIGHLY doubt that someone around in that era would happily throw it around.GreySeal9

Except nobody has called for the ban of every word that can be considered perjorative. That's yet another strawman.

All anybody has said is that people should use language in responsible ways.

Exactly, so why can't i say the N word to a black person (in a non-insulting manner) without being called a racist?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So Blacks can use it, but White people cant? What happened to Racial Equality?thegerg

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

If one knows that it is in a friendly manner, then the skin color does not matter.

However, if one was not sure of that, it would.

I would think that would be obvious.

if you put em in a song youre fine

haha

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Throughout time people have used numerous words to insult one another. To essentially ban the usage of every word that could be considered pejorative would be ridiculous.Nibroc420

Except nobody has called for the ban of every word that can be considered perjorative. That's yet another strawman.

All anybody has said is that people should use language in responsible ways.

Exactly, so why can't i say the N word to a black person (in a non-insulting manner) without being called a racist?

If you had a good reason for using it, it was not meant offensively, and that was clear to the black person, I'm sure there would be no problem.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

GreySeal9

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

Obviously both can be a form of context.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It's a myth. All races are not equal.thegerg

Care to elaborate?

And Nibroc was really talking about equality in that fashion? :roll:

Was there any point to that rather pendantic nitpick?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Except nobody has called for the ban of every word that can be considered perjorative. That's yet another strawman.

All anybody has said is that people should use language in responsible ways.

GreySeal9

Exactly, so why can't i say the N word to a black person (in a non-insulting manner) without being called a racist?

If you had a good reason for using it, it was not meant offensively, and that was clear to the black person, I'm sure there would be no problem.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Black people use it all the time >.> So yes. GreySeal9

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It's a myth. All races are not equal.thegerg

Care to elaborate?

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Care to elaborate?

mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

Nibroc420

Obviously both can be a form of context.

Are you really so oblivious that you can't see why "Wow, you're a cool n*****" might seem offensive. I mean, why can't you just "you're such a cool person."

Do you really not understand why the comment might sound different from the mouth of a white person than a black person?

The words will have negative connotations because history exists. Period.

And the equal rights stuff is nonsense. This is not about rights. You can use the n word if you please. Just prepare to face the consequences.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

Nibroc420

Obviously both can be a form of context.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="thegerg"] If you can differentiate between 2 races then they are not equal.

Nibroc420

True but you can always tell when you love someone more than someone else.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Obviously both can be a form of context.

mems_1224

Seriously?

Nobody is banning him from using the word.

It's just that if a white person uses the word, it's going to be percieved a certain way.

Do you really not understand why that would be?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Obviously both can be a form of context.

GreySeal9

Are you really so oblivious that you can't see why "Wow, you're a cool n*****" might seem offensive. I mean, why can't you just "you're such a cool person."

Do you really not understand why the comment might sound different from the mouth of a white person than a black person?

The words will have negative connotations because history exists. Period.

And the equal rights stuff is nonsense. This is not about rights. You can use the n word if you please. Just prepare to face the consequences.

You said it yourself. I can't say it because I'm white. and ~70 years ago White people did something bad. Should every white person from then until the end of time then be punished? Assumed Racist just because they used a word?

And no, the N word wasn't always used in a negative fashion. It was THE word EVERYONE used instead of Negro, it was slang, and there was no negative connotation when the word began.

unless it is a stand-up comedian, no, I feel there is just no way they sound more positive than negative.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] So Blacks can use it, but White people cant? What happened to Racial Equality?tocool340

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

That's exactly the problem.

I'm sure that if a black person was really close to a white person, the white person would be able to use it the way a black person would without consequences, but if one said it to a black person randomly, they would think they are being attacked.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] By "different context" do you mean that the speaker has different color skin? My buddy Jeremy can call me n***** in a friendly manner, but is the context really so different when I call him n***** in an equally friendly manner?

thegerg

If one knows that it is in a friendly manner, then the skin color does not matter.

However, if one was not sure of that, it would.

I would think that would be obvious.

I'm not going to dignify this with a response.

Come at correct or don't come at me at all.

In other words, don't tell me what to do.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

Ravensmash

No it doesnt.

Context is dependant on the intent of the speaker, not their race.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Isn't racism when you say your race is superior over another? I think people are loosely using the word 'racism' nowadays Nibroc420

none of those words are exactly banned. I could say any sort of racial slur and not get in legal trouble, but I will get in social trouble. Its all about being a good human. Words such as "f***", or any variation, can be used constructively to describe any manner of situation: I could say "Wow, this beer is ****ing awesome" and that simply means "Wow, this beer is really awesome". Even used as insult, i.e. "**** off", the phrase simply means "get lost".

The word "N*****" only means one thing, and it is not constructive or contributing to anything at all. It is purely demeaning and wrong.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Care to elaborate?

mrmusicman247

I wouldn't even dignify his pointless nitpicking with a response.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Isn't racism when you say your race is superior over another? I think people are loosely using the word 'racism' nowadays mrbojangles25

none of those words are exactly banned. I could say any sort of racial slur and not get in legal trouble, but I will get in social trouble. Its all about being a good human. Words such as "f***", or any variation, can be used constructively to describe any manner of situation: I could say "Wow, this beer is ****ing awesome" and that simply means "Wow, this beer is really awesome". Even used as insult, i.e. "**** off", the phrase simply means "get lost".

The word "N*****" only means one thing, and it is not constructive or contributing to anything at all. It is purely demeaning and wrong.

Incorrect.

Much like "F*** off" means "get lost"

The N word simply means "Black Person"

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] No they can't. Context is everything surrounding the word in speech, defining it's meaning. Even if i said "Wow, you're a cool n*****" I would be seen as a racist, simply because I'm white, and white's apparently aren't allowed to use that. All races should have equal rights on which words they use, and if someone decides to take something out of context, its their fault. I simply do not see why we have to maintain the negative connotation these words have.Nibroc420

Are you really so oblivious that you can't see why "Wow, you're a cool n*****" might seem offensive. I mean, why can't you just "you're such a cool person."

Do you really not understand why the comment might sound different from the mouth of a white person than a black person?

The words will have negative connotations because history exists. Period.

And the equal rights stuff is nonsense. This is not about rights. You can use the n word if you please. Just prepare to face the consequences.

You said it yourself. I can't say it because I'm white. and ~70 years ago White people did something bad. Should every white person from then until the end of time then be punished? Assumed Racist just because they used a word?

And no, the N word wasn't always used in a negative fashion. It was THE word EVERYONE used instead of Negro, it was slang, and there was no negative connotation when the word began.

Link for your last claim?

If you read anything I said, I'm saying that it shouldn't be said because of how a black person might percieve it. Obviously, history will inform how they percieve it. It has nothing to do with punishment, so can we drop these silly terms?

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Can we please stop being silly?

It obviously has a different context when whites use it.

However, there's no rule saying that whites can't use it for educational purposes.

GreySeal9

That's exactly the problem.

I'm sure that if a black person was really close to a white person, the white person would be able to use it the way a black person would without consequences, but if one said it to a black person randomly, they would think they are being attacked.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Exactly, so why can't i say the N word to a black person (in a non-insulting manner) without being called a racist?

Ravensmash

If you had a good reason for using it, it was not meant offensively, and that was clear to the black person, I'm sure there would be no problem.

I definitely understand that and agree (though I'm mixed, but I'm light enough to where some people think I'm black, some people think I'm white).

I'm just saying that if one could make it absolutely clear that it was "appropriate" (as in a comedic/educational context), with a level--headed person, there probably wouldn't be an issue.