Do you feel Racial Slurs can be used in a way that isn't racist?

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

By who? Racists and Biggots?

Since when have we ever taken them seriously?

Nibroc420

Maybe they realize its actual definition?

Stop living in the past man.;)

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Any word that's sole usage is to offend can be considered genuinely offensive.

If you call somebody a douchebag, that is solely meant to offend someone. It could be true, but it's purpose is still to negatively portay them.

Outside of your idealism, the n-word is an offensive term. You may not like it, but that's how it is.

As far as the word cheese is concerned, there's no reason people would be offended by it, so can we stick to reality?

Nobody is saying that you're not allowed to use it. What I am saying is that people will percieve it a certain way and you'll have to deal with consequences.

GreySeal9

douche bag

noun
douche bags, plural

A small syringe for douching the vagina esp. as a contraceptive measure

Yea, i dont think i'd want to be one either.

However should we never say the word? Even when you're referring to an actual "Douche bag"?

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Any word that's sole usage is to offend can be considered genuinely offensive.

So? the N word's sole usage was a term to refer to "Black People", Unless you find Black people to be offensive (which seems to be the case) then i dont see anything offensive with the N word.

Seriously, these aren't even reasons you're giving me.

OK, the douchebag example was a bad example.

I find black people to be offensive. Are you serious? I am partly black. Seriously, grow up.

The n-word's "sole" usage was not to simply refer to blacks. After all, if that was it's sole usage, then how come it became a perjorative term. That wouldn't have happened if it's sole usage was simply to refer to blacks.

It has become a perjorative term whether you like it or not. My advice would be to deal with it.

Because Racists decided they'd use the word in a negative tone/fashion.

Like schoolyeard bullies took "F*g" and made it into an insult, It literally means "Cigarette."

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

actually, it is your misunderstanding. Their intent is pretty clear, and you are intentionally twisting their words to mean something else.

mrbojangles25

*sniff sniff*

I think I smell a troll, finally. You are being intentionally difficult, different solely for the sake of being different, except maybe to offend. I thought prior you were simply young and naive, but its obvious now you are fully aware of what you are saying, how it has been interpreted, etc.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

douche bag

noun
douche bags, plural

A small syringe for douching the vagina esp. as a contraceptive measure

Yea, i dont think i'd want to be one either.

However should we never say the word? Even when you're referring to an actual "Douche bag"?

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Any word that's sole usage is to offend can be considered genuinely offensive.

So? the N word's sole usage was a term to refer to "Black People", Unless you find Black people to be offensive (which seems to be the case) then i dont see anything offensive with the N word.

Seriously, these aren't even reasons you're giving me.

Nibroc420

OK, the douchebag example was a bad example.

I find black people to be offensive. Are you serious? I am partly black. Seriously, grow up.

The n-word's "sole" usage was not to simply refer to blacks. After all, if that was it's sole usage, then how come it became a perjorative term. That wouldn't have happened if it's sole usage was simply to refer to blacks.

It has become a perjorative term whether you like it or not. My advice would be to deal with it.

Because Racists decided they'd use the word in a negative tone/fashion.

Like schoolyeard bullies took "F*g" and made it into an insult, It literally means "Cigarette."

A term cannot be turned into a perjorative term and still have a "sole usage".

That is logically impossible.

And actually, if we're talking about sole usages, the perjoative usage comes closer to being a sole usage as the term is usually meant offensively.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] No I'm not When i Say the "N word" I mean it's true definition of "Black person", nothing more, nothing less. It's merely a synonym. It's like if i said "I got went and got myself a B**ch yesterday" and had a dog with me. No-one would have any reason to get angry, because i quite literally meant my dog. Some Feminist might get all angry, until she realized i was talking about my dog, and she was wrong.Nibroc420

*sniff sniff*

I think I smell a troll, finally. You are being intentionally difficult, different solely for the sake of being different, except maybe to offend. I thought prior you were simply young and naive, but its obvious now you are fully aware of what you are saying, how it has been interpreted, etc.

Then why did you say that I seem to find black people offensive?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

*sniff sniff*

I think I smell a troll, finally. You are being intentionally difficult, different solely for the sake of being different, except maybe to offend. I thought prior you were simply young and naive, but its obvious now you are fully aware of what you are saying, how it has been interpreted, etc.

GreySeal9

Then why did you say that I seem to find black people offensive?

The meaning of "N word" is "black person."

As such by saying "N word are offensive"

You're saying "Black people are offensive"

I don't think i have to explain that to you though.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Not trolling, not in this thread anyways. I just dont understand why society accepts such negative connotations, when you can simply look at the literal meaning and see the word carries no insult.Nibroc420

Then why did you say that I seem to find black people offensive?

Good lord.

I don't look at the n word the same way that you do and you know this. I look at it as a perjorative term due to its history. Your definition lacks context and is just you being silly and literal.

For you to take your own conception of the n word and then try to derive that I think blacks are offensive based on your own unrealistic definition is as childish as it gets.

So how is that not trolling?

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] No I'm not When i Say the "N word" I mean it's true definition of "Black person", nothing more, nothing less. It's merely a synonym. It's like if i said "I got went and got myself a B**ch yesterday" and had a dog with me. No-one would have any reason to get angry, because i quite literally meant my dog. Some Feminist might get all angry, until she realized i was talking about my dog, and she was wrong.Nibroc420

*sniff sniff*

I think I smell a troll, finally. You are being intentionally difficult, different solely for the sake of being different, except maybe to offend. I thought prior you were simply young and naive, but its obvious now you are fully aware of what you are saying, how it has been interpreted, etc.

Unfortunately this is a case of you not accepting society. Words exist, and they can have various meaning or single meanings. I can say "Nice dog" and that means, well, "nice dog". Or I can say "Oh, you dog, you!" and that is like saying "You scoundrel!". Society, over many years, has evolved language to suit its purposes.

The n-word means only one thing, and that is negative. It means nothing else, to anyone. Except you. I really do not understand why you have such difficulty understanding and accepting this.

What is meant 200+ years ago is completely irrelevant. THe simple fact is that it means one thing now, that thing is a negative, and you are not going to change that.

Deal with it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Then why did you say that I seem to find black people offensive?

GreySeal9

Good lord.

I don't look at the n word the same way that you do and you know this. I look at it as a perjorative term due to its history. Your definition lacks context and is just you being silly and literal.

For you to take your own conception of the n word and then try to derive that I think blacks are offensive based on your own unrealistic definition is as childish as it gets.

So how is that not trolling?

OK, thats it, Im out. Peace, y'all. I suggest you abandon this thread too man

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Then why did you say that I seem to find black people offensive?

GreySeal9

Good lord.

I don't look at the n word the same way that you do and you know this. I look at it as a perjorative term due to its history. Your definition lacks context and is just you being silly and literal.

For you to take your own conception of the n word and then try to derive that I think blacks are offensive based on your own unrealistic definition is as childish as it gets.

So how is that not trolling?

I'm guessing you dont understand.

So does that make you a troll? For coming into a discussion on a topic you dont understand, with the sole intent of causing arguements?

Then you call me a troll, :lol:

I came here for an intelectual discussion with open minded individuals...Guess this should just be locked now.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You find the N word offensive. The meaning of the N word is "black person." As such by saying "N word are offensive" You're saying "Black people are offensive" I don't think i have to explain that to you though.Nibroc420

Good lord.

I don't look at the n word the same way that you do and you know this. I look at it as a perjorative term due to its history. Your definition lacks context and is just you being silly and literal.

For you to take your own conception of the n word and then try to derive that I think blacks are offensive based on your own unrealistic definition is as childish as it gets.

So how is that not trolling?

I'm guessing you dont understand.

So does that make you a troll? For coming into a discussion on a topic you dont understand, with the sole intent of causing arguements?

Then you call me a troll, :lol:

I came here for an intelectual discussion with open minded individuals...Guess this should just be locked now.

Why don't you tell me what I don't understand? But the last time I asked you to tell me to understand, you never elaborated. Why is this? I am supposed to just admit I don't understand just because you say so.

Your behavior is trollish because you said that I find black people offensive for the sole purpose of being annoying. It's obvious from my posts that I don't find black people offensive.

Don't expect me to operate on your idealistic and silly conception of the word.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You find the N word offensive. The meaning of the N word is "black person." As such by saying "N word are offensive" You're saying "Black people are offensive" I don't think i have to explain that to you though.mrbojangles25

Good lord.

I don't look at the n word the same way that you do and you know this. I look at it as a perjorative term due to its history. Your definition lacks context and is just you being silly and literal.

For you to take your own conception of the n word and then try to derive that I think blacks are offensive based on your own unrealistic definition is as childish as it gets.

So how is that not trolling?

OK, thats it, Im out. Peace, y'all. I suggest you abandon this thread too man

Yeah, I probably should. He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Words only have power if we give it to them. thunderboltkidx

This8)

If we were to educate people that the N word means nothing more than "Black person" and is mearly a synonym. The word would lose it's power, and Racists would lose their power to hurt though words.

[QUOTE="thunderboltkidx"]Words only have power if we give it to them. Nibroc420

This8)

If we were to educate people that the N word means nothing more than "Black person" and is mearly a synonym. The word would lose it's power, and Racists would lose their power to hurt though words.

Words are objectively nothing more than a collection of sounds. The only "meaning" they have is that which humans have collectively and subjectively agreed upon in order to facilitate mutual communication. If humans agree that a word has a given meaning, then that is its meaning, nothing more, nothing less. Your implicit assertion that there can be a meaning to a word that nobody knows about is false. Etymology describes the history of a word, but is an unreliable determinant at best of its current-day meaning.

I feel that it is the person's intention matters more than the word by itself.

i.e A person going "Hey African" with the intention of expressing racism is worst than just saying the N word such context would be like "Hey what's up my N?" etc.

Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.Harkat95

I hear black people call each other the N word all the time. Apparently some of them like to be called such a demeaning thing. Ghost_702

[QUOTE="Harkat95"]Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Harkat95"]Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.chaoscougar1

This one time at school someone asked me why this black guy was so angry with someone and I replied with "He called him a n*****" and I got in trouble from the school for saying the n*****. Utter bull****

I hate it when people say "The N-word" the word itself is not offensive, its how you use it.

It's alright, sometimes. That doesn't make it cool or anything.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]Here's a piece of advice: don't tell others what to do if you don't want them to do the same. It comes off as petty and childish.

Anywho, we all have some "posting deficiencies" now and then. Your deficiencies in this thread, though, have been that you contradict yourself quite a bit and that you post things you don't really mean (or maybe it's just that you change your mind after you hit the "submit" button). These deficiencies make it difficult to take your arguments seriously.

thegerg

You don't have any room to call anybody petty and childish as you are purposefully trying to annoy with your posts as is typical of you. Also, you are the one that were being pendantic about the equal rights term for no good reason. If that is not childish, I don't what is.

Also, I didn't tell you what to do. I just said that before you try to tell me how to post, you should actually post something constructive that's not a useless nitpcik.

I didn't contradict myself at all. You're just being hopelessly pendantic about my posts. Notice that it is only you that has this problem? Nobody else is anal about my posts and other people's posts. Just you. Other people can read between the lines.

I clarified myself and you should be able to accept that. But you insist on trying to start an e-fight for no good reason.

Here are a few examples from this very thread of you telling others what to do:

"Seriously, grow up and stop trying to irritate people."

"you should actually post something constructive"

"So, again, go ahead and use the word if you want."

"prepare to face the consequences"

"Come at correct or don't come at me at all."

"Look it up in the dictionary"

Again, don't tell others what to do if you don't want to be told what to do.

Your response clearly contradicted itself. You later tried to explain the contradiction away, but it remains.

I'll admit that the first one was an example of me telling others what to do, but you took the others ones out of context is the most dishonest way possible. I said look it up in the dictionary simply as a way of saying "if you look it up, you'll see I'm right"; I was not telling him what to do. "Prepare to face the consequences" meant that words bring consequences and you'll clearly see that by looking at the post; I wasn't telling him what to do in the context of the post. "Go ahead and use the word if you want" is NOT telling anybody what to do. At all. You're either being very dishonest, or you're not understanding those quotes, or you're being very anal about them, or you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I'll grant the "come at me correct", but it was a response to you telling me what to do first. Seriously, it's clear you wanted to pick a fight with me, and that was my response.

As far as the contadiction is concerned, it's not a contradiction at all. You were just being pendantic as it seems to come natural to you. My position was always that color and intent both are a form of context in varying situations. If you actually read my posts and absorbed their meaning instead of being anal in the most borish way possible, you'd see that. I fail to see why you need to start an e-fight when my position can be easily figured out by reading all my posts. What is the point?

I'm going to go ahead and tell you what to do by saying: stop being dishonest. It is an ugly trait. And if you are not being dishonest, stop being pendantic in a way that makes you look dishonest.

Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.Harkat95

There are in fact two genuine trolls in this thread.

I mean, when nibroc tries to say that I find black people offensive because I don't agree with his position, how is that not trolling?

[QUOTE="Harkat95"]Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.GreySeal9

There are in fact two genuine trolls in this thread.

I mean, when nibroc tries to say that I find black people offensive because I don't agree with his position, how is that not trolling?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Harkat95"]Geez, people need to stop calling each other trolls so easily. Just because someone is relentlessly arguing against you does not make them a troll.mems_1224

There are in fact two genuine trolls in this thread.

I mean, when nibroc tries to say that I find black people offensive because I don't agree with his position, how is that not trolling?

Maybe we need to cool off on these race threads. I mean, not ban them or anything, but there has seemed to be alot of them lately.

It is a heated subject and I'll admit that I personally get a bit nasty in these threads simply because the issue is one I'm very passionate about.

limiting freedom of speech is a slippery slot towards totalitarianism.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

There are in fact two genuine trolls in this thread.

I mean, when nibroc tries to say that I find black people offensive because I don't agree with his position, how is that not trolling?

GreySeal9

Maybe we need to cool off on these race threads. I mean, not ban them or anything, but there has seemed to be alot of them lately.

It is a heated subject and I'll admit that I personally get a bit nasty in these threads simply because the issue is one I'm very passionate about.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] nibroc trolls in every thread he goes into. every post i've seen that dude make has been him trolling and i cant believe this dumb thread is 10 pages :|mems_1224

Maybe we need to cool off on these race threads. I mean, not ban them or anything, but there has seemed to be alot of them lately.

It is a heated subject and I'll admit that I personally get a bit nasty in these threads simply because the issue is one I'm very passionate about.

I am offended. :P

limiting freedom of speech is a slippery slot towards totalitarianism.

With-Hatred

I feel that it is the person's intention matters more than the word by itself.

i.e A person going "Hey African" with the intention of expressing racism is worst than just saying the N word such context would be like "Hey what's up my N?" etc.

Vesica_Prime

I should be judged for what i say based on the literal or intended(my intent) meaning of words ive said, not by the interpretations that listeners can dream up.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I feel that it is the person's intention matters more than the word by itself.

i.e A person going "Hey African" with the intention of expressing racism is worst than just saying the N word such context would be like "Hey what's up my N?" etc.

Nibroc420

Why in the world would you use the n-word to compliment someone? That makes zero sense aas they're not likely to think that you're complimenting them. Surely you can compliment someone without needed to use what has become a perjorative term.

You used the example "you're such a cool n*****" earlier. That sounds like an insult, not a compliment.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I feel that it is the person's intention matters more than the word by itself.

i.e A person going "Hey African" with the intention of expressing racism is worst than just saying the N word such context would be like "Hey what's up my N?" etc.

GreySeal9

Why in the world would you use the n-word to compliment someone? That makes zero sense aas they're not likely to think that you're complimenting them. Surely you can compliment someone without needed to use what has become a perjorative term.

You used the example "you're such a cool n*****" earlier. That sounds like an insult, not a compliment.

Seems like you still believe in the negative connotation that was attached to the word by racists. Please learn thte true meaning and origination of the word, rather than supporting racists by clinging to the word's untrue negative meanings.

Again, saying "You're a cool n*****" would be no different then saying "You're a cool black person," However it seems that for some reason you still want to maintain the negativity of the word "n*****"

Please explain why you're unable to accept the word's literal meaning, rather than the negative definition dreamt up by racists?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Yes but it seems that even if you were to use the N word while complementing someone, it would be seen as an insult because the word "has history." I should be judged for what i say based on the literal or intended(my intent) meaning of words ive said, not by the interpretations that listeners can dream up.Nibroc420

Why in the world would you use the n-word to compliment someone? That makes zero sense aas they're not likely to think that you're complimenting them. Surely you can compliment someone without needed to use what has become a perjorative term.

You used the example "you're such a cool n*****" earlier. That sounds like an insult, not a compliment.

Seems like you still believe in the negative connotation that was attached to the word by racists. Please learn thte true meaning and origination of the word, rather than supporting racists by clinging to the word's untrue negative meanings.

Again, saying "You're a cool n*****" would be no different then saying "You're a cool black person," However it seems that for some reason you still want to maintain the negativity of the word "n*****"

Please explain why you're unable to accept the word's literal meaning, rather than the negative definition dreamt up by racists?

Because I'm living in the real world where the term has a perjorative meaning.

There's no reason to use it in a compliment. You can just say "you're a cool person." You just seem to want to use the world to make some smug social statement.

To say somebody's a cool black person or a cool white person is needlessly racial.

At the end of the day, people are people.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why in the world would you use the n-word to compliment someone? That makes zero sense aas they're not likely to think that you're complimenting them. Surely you can compliment someone without needed to use what has become a perjorative term.

You used the example "you're such a cool n*****" earlier. That sounds like an insult, not a compliment.

GreySeal9

Seems like you still believe in the negative connotation that was attached to the word by racists. Please learn thte true meaning and origination of the word, rather than supporting racists by clinging to the word's untrue negative meanings.

Again, saying "You're a cool n*****" would be no different then saying "You're a cool black person," However it seems that for some reason you still want to maintain the negativity of the word "n*****"

Please explain why you're unable to accept the word's literal meaning, rather than the negative definition dreamt up by racists?

Because I'm living in the real world where the term has a perjorative meaning.

I'm not interested in the meanings people have slapped onto words to turn them into insults.

I live in the real world, where if someone says something, the meaning is based on context and it's actual meaning, not on how people used the word hundreds of years ago.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Seems like you still believe in the negative connotation that was attached to the word by racists. Please learn thte true meaning and origination of the word, rather than supporting racists by clinging to the word's untrue negative meanings.

Again, saying "You're a cool n*****" would be no different then saying "You're a cool black person," However it seems that for some reason you still want to maintain the negativity of the word "n*****"

Please explain why you're unable to accept the word's literal meaning, rather than the negative definition dreamt up by racists?

Nibroc420

Because I'm living in the real world where the term has a perjorative meaning.

I'm not interested in the meanings people have slapped onto words to turn them into insults.

I live in the real world, where if someone says something, the meaning is based on context and it's actual meaning, not on how people used the word hundreds of years ago.

No, you definitely don't. In the real world, the term is perjorative. That's just how it is.

You live in your own ideal world.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Because I'm living in the real world where the term has a perjorative meaning.

GreySeal9

I'm not interested in the meanings people have slapped onto words to turn them into insults.

I live in the real world, where if someone says something, the meaning is based on context and it's actual meaning, not on how people used the word hundreds of years ago.

No, you definitely don't. In the real world, the term is perjorative. That's just how it is.

You live in your own ideal world.

Are you suggesting that when someone says something, people are allowed to make assuptions that are both out of context, and dont relate to the word's actual meaning?