Do you feel Racial Slurs can be used in a way that isn't racist?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link, please do not make it out like i did.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] You can't click my picture. So you're wrong there. I provided no link, please do not make it out like i did.

Nibroc420

Although as you can see below it, it's source is wikitonary.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link, please do not make it out like i did.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link, please do not make it out like i did.

Nibroc420

Here's a link to the dictionary definition

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You said Wiktionary....I put up Wiktionary...typed in the word...and got vulgar before the definition. Which means your own link does not support your stance.

bigdcstile

You fail to see it as an actual definition, as such i dont know what else to show you to prove it.

I say something, you ask for proof. I provide obvious proof, and you ignore it.

How are you not getting this?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You said Wiktionary....I put up Wiktionary...typed in the word...and got vulgar before the definition. Which means your own link does not support your stance.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link. Please do not twist things and make it look like I linked anything.Nibroc420

You fail to see it as an actual definition, as such i dont know what else to show you to prove it.

I say something, you ask for proof. I provide obvious proof, and you ignore it.

How are you not getting this?

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link. Please do not twist things and make it look like I linked anything.Nibroc420

You fail to see it as an actual definition, as such i dont know what else to show you to prove it.

I say something, you ask for proof. I provide obvious proof, and you ignore it.

How are you not getting this?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link. Please do not twist things and make it look like I linked anything.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I provided no link. Please do not twist things and make it look like I linked anything.Nibroc420

You fail to see it as an actual definition, as such i dont know what else to show you to prove it.

I say something, you ask for proof. I provide obvious proof, and you ignore it.

How are you not getting this?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Me and LJ both see "vulgar" and only you don't.

Something is wrong on your end.

toast_burner

Please point it out for me?

n*****

1. (vulgar, see usage notes) A dark-skinned person, especially a person of, or primarily of, Negro descent. [quotations ▼]
   • Huckleberry Finn, in the eponymous novel by Mark Twain. It was fifteen minutes before I could work myself up to go and humble myself to a n****; but I done it[sic], and I warn't[sic] ever sorry for it afterwards, neither. I didn't do him no more mean tricks, and I wouldn't done that[sic] one if I'd a knowed[sic] it would make him feel that way.
   • 1888, Rudyard Kipling, 'On the City Wall', In Black and White, Folio Society 2005, p. 435: The Captain was not a nice man. He called all natives 'n******', which, besides being extreme bad form, shows gross ignorance.
   • Hotel RwandaYou are not even n*****, you are Africans.
2. (slang, often considered offensive) A person of Negro descent who acts in an unapproved manner, usually as a badass. [quotations ▼]
   • Chris RockI love black people, but I hate n*****
3. (African American Vernacular) Informal term of address.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"]

Here are a few examples from this very thread of you telling others what to do:

"Seriously, grow up and stop trying to irritate people."

"you should actually post something constructive"

"So, again, go ahead and use the word if you want."

"prepare to face the consequences"

"Come at correct or don't come at me at all."

"Look it up in the dictionary"

Again, don't tell others what to do if you don't want to be told what to do.

Your response clearly contradicted itself. You later tried to explain the contradiction away, but it remains.

thegerg

I'll admit that the first one was an example of me telling others what to do, but you took the others ones out of context is the most dishonest way possible. I said look it up in the dictionary simply as a way of saying "if you look it up, you'll see I'm right"; I was not telling him what to do. "Prepare to face the consequences" meant that words bring consequences and you'll clearly see that by looking at the post; I wasn't telling him what to do in the context of the post. "Go ahead and use the word if you want" is NOT telling anybody what to do. At all. You're either being very dishonest, or you're not understanding those quotes, or you're being very anal about them, or you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I'll grant the "come at me correct", but it was a response to you telling me what to do first. Seriously, it's clear you wanted to pick a fight with me, and that was my response.

As far as the contadiction is concerned, it's not a contradiction at all. You were just being pendantic as it seems to come natural to you. My position was always that color and intent both are a form of context in varying situations. If you actually read my posts and absorbed their meaning instead of being anal in the most borish way possible, you'd see that. I fail to see why you need to start an e-fight when my position can be easily figured out by reading all my posts. What is the point?

I'm going to go ahead and tell you what to do by saying: stop being dishonest. It is an ugly trait. And if you are not being dishonest, stop being pendantic in a way that makes you look dishonest.

Please don't feel that this is some kind of fight. I simply call BS when I see it, and there is a lot of BS floating around this thread.

For the the third time, do not tell others what to do if you don't want to be told what to do.

You have some nerve to talk about BS when you ARE taking my posts out of context. I did not order anybody around in the posts you took out of context. In their proper context, they ARE NOT orders. When someone removes context and tries to use the quote without it, that is a sure-fire way to spot dishonesty. If you want to claim you call BS, try to be more honest about or else you're engaging in BS yourself. It is quite hypocrtical to accuse me of dishonesty when you are posting my quotes without their original context. I mean, the only reason to remove the context is if the context gets in the way of what you are trying to do. You could have just used the ones that ACTUALLY are "orders" and then you wouldn't have to be sneaky and take stuff out of context.

Your objections to my posts are merely nitpicks as is a pattern with you. They lead to nothing constructive pertaining to the topic. You are not trying to get at any kind of truth. That is merely a pretension designed to make your purposes look bigger and more substantial than they are. History shows that you merely post to nitpick people's arguments in the most smug absurd fashion possible. So don't insult everybody's intelligence by pretending that you're some kind of truth seeker. You're not. I clarified my postition (which was clear from my other posts) and you can argue with the clarified position. Whether you choose to argue with the clarified position will show if you're really trying to debate the issue or are just trying to stick it to me. Here is my position: intent, tone, and color can both contribute to the way usage of the n word is percieved in varying situations. If you're really interested in this topic, you can reply to that argument.

Also, what makes you think you have any authority to tell me what to do? You are merely a forum poster and not even one with any kind of significance or wisdom or anything. So I will post how I please regardless of what you say.

And you clearly ARE trying to start something. It is clear from your language and your refusal to simply argue with my clarified position, instead resorting to trying to lecture me. So don't try to blow smoke up my ass (ironic that you claim that you simply call out BS). You may be able to do that with other people, but not with me.

Uh....words have meaning. If we could all use words anyway we pleased then it would be impossible to communicate.:|LJS9502_basic

ehh, lot of heated battles going on here, as a black male who have friends of all colors, black, white, hispanic, asians use the n word "which is always used in the context to refer to a friend or pal" i think using the word is stupid in itself and that it should just be done with it. To answer your questions, no TC racial slurs shouldn't be used in ways that aren't racist, they shouldn't be used period. Thier are about1009614 words in the English langague as of March 21, 2011 so their are plenty of words to choose from without using words that have a history of racism meanings behind them.

ehh, lot of heated battles going on here, as a black male who have friends of all colors, black, white, hispanic, asians use the n word "which is always used in the context to refer to a friend or pal" i think using the word is stupid in itself and that it should just be done with it. To answer your questions, no TC racial slurs shouldn't be used in ways that aren't racist, they shouldn't be used period. Thier are about1009614 words in the English langague as of March 21, 2011 so their are plenty of words to choose from without using words that have a history of racism meanings behind them.

Chris_Williams

Because a certain someone has decided he wants to lecture me on how to post than actually debate my position.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] I understand your posts and the context in which your commands were made. explaining the context in which you made those statements does not mean that you did not tekll others what to do. The contradictions to which I am referring have nothing to do with the "color and intent" contexts you are talking about. One of the contradictions I have read from you in this post was when you said you have not told others what to do although you cleasrly have. You were either being intentionally dishonest, or you were simply ignorant to what you had previously posted. Either way, you now admit that you have told others what to do, and you continue to do so with this post.

Please don't feel that this is some kind of fight. I simply call BS when I see it, and there is a lot of BS floating around this thread.

For the the third time, do not tell others what to do if you don't want to be told what to do.

thegerg

You have some nerve to talk about BS when you ARE taking my posts out of context. I did not order anybody around in the posts you took out of context. In their proper context, they ARE NOT orders. You clearly don't understand the context because if you did, you would see that they are not orders. Just because you say that the context doesn't matter doesn't make it true. Removing context is a sure-fire way to spot dishonesty. If you want to claim you call BS, try to be more honest about or else you're engaging in BS yourself. It is quite hypocrtical to accuse of dishonesty when you are posting my quotes out of context. You could have just used the ones that ACTUALLY are "orders" and then you wouldn't have to be sneaky and take stuff out of context.

Your objections to my posts are merely nitpicks as is a pattern with you. They lead to nothing constructive pertaining to the topic. You are not trying to sort out the truth. Or else you would not be so small-minded in your arguments. You merely post to nitpick people's arguments in the most smug absurd fashion possible. So don't insult everybody's intelligence by pretending that you're some kind of truth seeker. You're not. I clarified my postition and you can argue with the clarified position. Whether you choose to argue with the clarified position will show if you're really trying to debate the issue or are just trying to stick it to me. Here is my position: intent and color can both contribute to the way usage of the n word is percieved. If you're really interested in this topic, you can reply to that argument.

Also, what makes you think you have any authority to tell me what to do? You are merely a forum poster and not even one with any kind of significance or wisdom or anything. So I will post how I please regardless of what you say.

And you clearly ARE trying to start something. It is clear from your language and your refusal to simply argue with my clarified position, instead resorting to trying to lecture me. So don't try to blow smoke up my ass (ironic that you claim that you simply call out BS). You may be able to do that with other people, but not with me.

"Also, what makes you think you have any authority to tell me what to do? You are merely a forum poster and not even one with any kind of significance or wisdom or anything."

I will direct your own question back at you, but I will not include the childish insults you have thrown my way.

" intent and color can both contribute to the way usage of the n word is percieved."

Of course they can, at no point have I said anything to the contrary.

The insults are not childish. They are true. If somebody I respected told me to amend my posting style, I would consider making a change. But I am not going to do it for somebody who insists on being petty.

You did say context doesn't matter in that you posted quotes that were not examples of telling people what to do in their original context. In their original context, they are not orders. Period. For you to remove the context and pretend that they are still valid examples regardless is dishonest.

I admitted to some of them (because I have no problem admitting fault), but there's no reason you have to try to make fabricate examples and remove context to try and achieve that end.

If you haven't said anything contrary to my clarification, then there's no reason to continue this back-and-forth.

This thread is tearing us apart!!!!!

No, they are plain childish. Please try to act like an adult and converse in a mature and more respectful manner.

Also, you were clearly telling others what to do, which you later denied. It's hard to take you seriously with such clear contradictions throughout the thread.

thegerg

I don't think you have a very clear idea of what maturity and respect is. Otherwise, you wouldn't take people out of context and countinue to draw out an argument when I clarified my position repeatedly.

You can call it childish if you want, but that is my true estimation. I will only change my posting for those who I respect, so you're wasting your breath is lecturing me.

It's hard to take you seriously with such clear contradictions throughout the thread.

thegerg

There were no contradictions.

They were born of your pendanticness.

I think it's safe to say that nothing of worth is going to come from this thread at this point.