Do you think Good "Atheists" go to Hell?

[QUOTE="Enosh88"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]The only difference between atheists and theists is that Atheists don't waste their time praising nothing. They both do the same thing after they die: rot.J-man45

Would you consider securing yourself a place in Heaven a "waste of time"? You are right, both athiests and thiests bodies will rot, however, our souls are eternal. What we do while we're on Earth determines what will happen after death. So in my case, worshipping is not at all a waste of time.

and how do you know you are worshiping the right god?

and please, don't say beacose the bible says so...

I don't exactly want to speak for Lansdowne5, but for me I just feel it in my heart. I know He's there. I know I'm worshipping the one and only God. Not just the right one. There is only one.

I agree with you 100% J-man. You can feel he's there in your heart.

God Bless :)

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I don't think there is a hell or heaven. It's probably just a bunch of stuff made up along with the bible and such. And assuming there is heaven and hell. I think that people with good moral would go to heaven. It just seems stupid to decide which person goes to hell or heaven based on belief.blackregiment

What is the source for your beliefs? People go to Hell or Heaven based on whether they remain in their sins at death or whether they are counted righteous by the blood of Jesus because they have accepted Him and His sacrifice through faith in Him.This is faith, rooted in God's Word.

So all other beliefs besides those that believe in jesus will send you to hell?

Is that right by your logic?

I'm Athiest. So I guess that means I have to burn and suffer in hell forever. Oh well, Thats life!

[QUOTE="J-man45"][QUOTE="Enosh88"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]The only difference between atheists and theists is that Atheists don't waste their time praising nothing. They both do the same thing after they die: rot.Lansdowne5

Would you consider securing yourself a place in Heaven a "waste of time"? You are right, both athiests and thiests bodies will rot, however, our souls are eternal. What we do while we're on Earth determines what will happen after death. So in my case, worshipping is not at all a waste of time.

and how do you know you are worshiping the right god?

and please, don't say beacose the bible says so...

I don't exactly want to speak for Lansdowne5, but for me I just feel it in my heart. I know He's there. I know I'm worshipping the one and only God. Not just the right one. There is only one.

I agree with you 100% J-man. You can feel he's there in your heart.

God Bless :)

Could that just be trapped wind?

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I don't think there is a hell or heaven. It's probably just a bunch of stuff made up along with the bible and such. And assuming there is heaven and hell. I think that people with good moral would go to heaven. It just seems stupid to decide which person goes to hell or heaven based on belief.blackregiment

What is the source for your beliefs? People go to Hell or Heaven based on whether they remain in their sins at death or whether they are counted righteous by the blood of Jesus because they have accepted Him and His sacrifice through faith in Him.This is faith, rooted in God's Word.

Reason, I suspect. Not Christianity, at any rate.

[QUOTE="Enosh88"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]The only difference between atheists and theists is that Atheists don't waste their time praising nothing. They both do the same thing after they die: rot.J-man45

Would you consider securing yourself a place in Heaven a "waste of time"? You are right, both athiests and thiests bodies will rot, however, our souls are eternal. What we do while we're on Earth determines what will happen after death. So in my case, worshipping is not at all a waste of time.

and how do you know you are worshiping the right god?

and please, don't say beacose the bible says so...

I don't exactly want to speak for Lansdowne5, but for me I just feel it in my heart. I know He's there. I know I'm worshipping the one and only God. Not just the right one. There is only one.

Heh... I've no doubt that many Muslims would say the same.

[QUOTE="J-man45"][QUOTE="Enosh88"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]The only difference between atheists and theists is that Atheists don't waste their time praising nothing. They both do the same thing after they die: rot.Funky_Llama

Would you consider securing yourself a place in Heaven a "waste of time"? You are right, both athiests and thiests bodies will rot, however, our souls are eternal. What we do while we're on Earth determines what will happen after death. So in my case, worshipping is not at all a waste of time.

and how do you know you are worshiping the right god?

and please, don't say beacose the bible says so...

I don't exactly want to speak for Lansdowne5, but for me I just feel it in my heart. I know He's there. I know I'm worshipping the one and only God. Not just the right one. There is only one.

Heh... I've no doubt that many Muslims would say the same.

Promised heaven is the reason we have so many suicide bombers today.

I think religion is to teach good morals, and believe good. but none of it should be taken seriously.

I am a hindu by the way.

If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?mjk_1

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

[QUOTE="mjk_1"]If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?Lansdowne5

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

Heh... funny... You've explained the reasoning behind it to me multiple times in it still seems far from just to me.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="mjk_1"]If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?Funky_Llama

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

Heh... funny... You've explained the reasoning behind it to me multiple times in it still seems far from just to me.

That's because you don't see God's choices to be moral, thus you equate people being sent to Hell to be unjust.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="mjk_1"]If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?Lansdowne5

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

Heh... funny... You've explained the reasoning behind it to me multiple times in it still seems far from just to me.

That's because you don't see God's choices to be moral, thus you equate people being sent to Hell to be unjust.

I do indeed see people being sent to Hell as unjust, but not because I see God's choices as immoral.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="mjk_1"]If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?Funky_Llama

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

Heh... funny... You've explained the reasoning behind it to me multiple times in it still seems far from just to me.

That's because you don't see God's choices to be moral, thus you equate people being sent to Hell to be unjust.

I do indeed see people being sent to Hell as unjust, but not because I see God's choices as immoral.

Oh, right, is it the "sin is finite, so a punishment should also be" thingy again?

Oh, right, is it the "sin is finite, so a punishment should also be" thingy again?

Lansdowne5

Yup. :D

Seems to be the idea....yes.LJS9502_basic

Took your time to find this thread. :P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Seems to be the idea....yes.Funky_Llama

Took your time to find this thread. :P

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="mjk_1"]If they do then Heaven sounds like a cruel place, now doesn't it?Lansdowne5

Not when you understand the reasoning behind it, no.

Heh... funny... You've explained the reasoning behind it to me multiple times in it still seems far from just to me.

That's because you don't see God's choices to be moral, thus you equate people being sent to Hell to be unjust.

I do indeed see people being sent to Hell as unjust, but not because I see God's choices as immoral.

Oh, right, is it the "sin is finite, so a punishment should also be" thingy again?

The problem is that christianity outright states that its my way or the highway, many religions out there don't believe in jesus, they do however believe in god.

Whats the gatekeeper going to tell those people when they reach the gates?

Oh sorry you should have been a christian?

There are also many religions that say jesus was merely a divine prophet, whats the gatekeeper going to tell them?

Oh sorry for wasting your life, your religous beliefs were incorrect, better luck in hell?

What if we had never expanded out and explored the world and people on the other side of the earth never heard of god, what happens when they die and are standing at the gates, whats the gatekeeper say?

Oh who cares, god didn't give a damn about them enough to make contact so they can just all pass go and go straight to hell?

Think about it, gods a divine being all loving, just and merciful with infinite wisdom and knowledge and yet he couldn't have forseen problems like this and would just stand back and be a dictator?

Highly doubtful mate, god would be a little more wiser then us stupid limited perspective humans who once thought the earth was flat, the stars were the heavens and that everything revolved around the earth.

This topic has been debated a billion times and the results will be the same from now and here onward, when you die is when you will know and not a nano-second sooner.

The problem is that christianity outright states that its my way or the highway, many religions out there don't believe in jesus, they do however believe in god.

Whats the gatekeeper going to tell those people when they reach the gates?

Oh sorry you should have been a christian?

There are also many religions that say jesus was merely a divine prophet, whats the gatekeeper going to tell them?

Oh sorry for wasting your life, your religous beliefs were incorrect, better luck in hell?

What if we had never expanded out and explored the world and people on the other side of the earth never heard of god, what happens when they die and are standing at the gates, whats the gatekeeper say?

Oh who cares, god didn't give a damn about them enough to make contact so they can just all pass go and go straight to hell?

Think about it, gods a divine being all loving, just and merciful with infinite wisdom and knowledge and yet he couldn't have forseen problems like this and would just stand back and be a dictator?

Highly doubtful mate, god would be a little more wiser then us stupid limited perspective humans who once thought the earth was flat, the stars were the heavens and that everything revolved around the earth.

This topic has been debated a billion times and the results will be the same from now and here onward, when you die is when you will know and not a nano-second sooner.

Zenkuso

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"]

The problem is that christianity outright states that its my way or the highway, many religions out there don't believe in jesus, they do however believe in god.

Whats the gatekeeper going to tell those people when they reach the gates?

Oh sorry you should have been a christian?

There are also many religions that say jesus was merely a divine prophet, whats the gatekeeper going to tell them?

Oh sorry for wasting your life, your religous beliefs were incorrect, better luck in hell?

What if we had never expanded out and explored the world and people on the other side of the earth never heard of god, what happens when they die and are standing at the gates, whats the gatekeeper say?

Oh who cares, god didn't give a damn about them enough to make contact so they can just all pass go and go straight to hell?

Think about it, gods a divine being all loving, just and merciful with infinite wisdom and knowledge and yet he couldn't have forseen problems like this and would just stand back and be a dictator?

Highly doubtful mate, god would be a little more wiser then us stupid limited perspective humans who once thought the earth was flat, the stars were the heavens and that everything revolved around the earth.

This topic has been debated a billion times and the results will be the same from now and here onward, when you die is when you will know and not a nano-second sooner.

LJS9502_basic

If? I thought you were a Christian LJ?

If? I thought you were a Christian LJ?

Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

If? I thought you were a Christian LJ?

LJS9502_basic

Oh right ;)

I'm Athiest. So I guess that means I have to burn and suffer in hell forever. Oh well, Thats life!

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"]

The problem is that christianity outright states that its my way or the highway, many religions out there don't believe in jesus, they do however believe in god.

Whats the gatekeeper going to tell those people when they reach the gates?

Oh sorry you should have been a christian?

There are also many religions that say jesus was merely a divine prophet, whats the gatekeeper going to tell them?

Oh sorry for wasting your life, your religous beliefs were incorrect, better luck in hell?

What if we had never expanded out and explored the world and people on the other side of the earth never heard of god, what happens when they die and are standing at the gates, whats the gatekeeper say?

Oh who cares, god didn't give a damn about them enough to make contact so they can just all pass go and go straight to hell?

Think about it, gods a divine being all loving, just and merciful with infinite wisdom and knowledge and yet he couldn't have forseen problems like this and would just stand back and be a dictator?

Highly doubtful mate, god would be a little more wiser then us stupid limited perspective humans who once thought the earth was flat, the stars were the heavens and that everything revolved around the earth.

This topic has been debated a billion times and the results will be the same from now and here onward, when you die is when you will know and not a nano-second sooner.

LJS9502_basic

:? Your answer is quite disturbing.

:? Your answer is quite disturbing.

felixlynch777

Really? Why? You're not Christian, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

Of course they do.

If you don't believe in Jesus Christ and God, and aren't baptised, you shall burn in eternal fire.

At least thats what my family believes.

At least thats what my family believes.

vidplayer8

Psst... your family are wrong.

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Lansdowne5

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Lansdowne5

And this God is omnibenevolent how?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Lansdowne5

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Honestly, anyone with an intact sense of morality would see that condemning Gandhi to infinite torment is so superlatively unjust that any religion proposing it can be instantly rejected.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Honestly, anyone with an intact sense of morality would see that condemning Gandhi to infinite torment is so superlatively unjust that any religion proposing it can be instantly rejected.

I have an intact sense of morality. . . .

You have no idea. God created us, he gave us everything, and all he asks in return is that we ask for forgiveness for the things which we have done wrong. Anyone who willingly turns away from someone who has given them everything does not deserve to be allowed into their home.

Regardless, you are again looking at it from a human perspective, thinking that you can understand God's reasoning. It's stupidity to think that your mind is equal to that of God's.

Regardless, you are again looking at it from a human perspective, thinking that you can understand God's reasoning. It's stupidity to think that your mind is equal to that of God's.

Lansdowne5

by the same token, how do you know he lets anyone who doesn't believe in him go to Hell?

I have an intact sense of morality. . . .

You have no idea. God created us, he gave us everything, and all he asks in return is that we ask for forgiveness for the things which we have done wrong. Anyone who willingly turns away from someone who has given them everything does not deserve to be allowed into their home.

Regardless, you are again looking at it from a human perspective, thinking that you can understand God's reasoning. It's stupidity to think that your mind is equal to that of God's.

Lansdowne5

I can assure you you don't. Almost everything you say as regards the morality of hell is stunningly wrong.

I'm not sure it counts is willingly turning away when you don't know the person exists.

Well if you don't believe that Christ died on the Cross for your sins then you won't go to heaven. That's what you need to believe if you plan on going to heaven so atheists don't go to heaven. They go to hell.tomizzo

So babies go to hell, I suppose, since they don't believe that.

I am not a atheist i'm agnostic i don't believe in organized religions but i do believe in the mayan teaching and worship. i think it depends if your a good person or bad person just don't do drugs , don't kill people, and be nice to others. besides 200 years ago. some people who were born on different islands or lands had never even heard of religions so they weren't even given a chance.

I got religions and atheists friends and i treat them with the same respect, as long as their a good friend to me i'm happy with it.

This "Go To Hell" crap is one of the biggest reasons I am Athiest in the first place.Rikusaki

That is some interesting logic.

[QUOTE="tomizzo"]Well if you don't believe that Christ died on the Cross for your sins then you won't go to heaven. That's what you need to believe if you plan on going to heaven so atheists don't go to heaven. They go to hell.Funky_Llama

So babies go to hell, I suppose, since they don't believe that.

There is an age of accountability, generally believed to be around thirteen, before which, children that die are with the Lord.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Honestly, anyone with an intact sense of morality would see that condemning Gandhi to infinite torment is so superlatively unjust that any religion proposing it can be instantly rejected.

Reject God's plan if you will He gave you a free will, then you and Ghandi can have some "warm" conversations together.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

At least thats what my family believes.

Funky_Llama

Psst... your family are wrong.

Do you want a bet Funky?

Your family are right, except for the Baptism part.

So Gandhi goes to hell. Very fair.

Well according to the Bible, yes he does. You can't practice all religions, it just doesn't work like that.

Honestly, anyone with an intact sense of morality would see that condemning Gandhi to infinite torment is so superlatively unjust that any religion proposing it can be instantly rejected.

Then why don't you go and create your own universe where you can make the rules?

One of these days you will figure out that you can complain all you want, but that will not change God's plan.

He, not you, makes the rules.

After reading through a good 40-or-so pages of these religious dribble about morality and Hell, I think I'd be a lot happier in Hell than I would be in Heaven.

I'd rather spend eternity with the highly-intelligent minds of Aristotle, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Galileo or Gandhi than spend eternity under the dictatorship of a god who justifies eternal damnation to babies, scientists, homosexuals, etc while hanging out with such awesome people like Adolf Hitler Hernán Cortés, and Mary I.

After reading through a good 40-or-so pages of these religious dribble about morality and Hell, I think I'd be a lot happier in Hell than I would be in Heaven.

I'd rather spend eternity with the highly-intelligent minds of Aristotle, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Galileo or Gandhi than spend eternity under the dictatorship of a god who justifies eternal damnation to babies, scientists, homosexuals, etc while hanging out with such awesome people like Adolf Hitler Hernán Cortés, and Mary I.

-Jiggles-

You think Hitler is in heaven? Too funny. You really should learn something about Christianity before you talk about it.

Reject God's plan if you will He gave you a free will, then you and Ghandi can have some "warm" conversations together.

blackregiment

well I take having a chat with Ghandi over playing poker with Hitler

I am not a atheist i'm agnostic i don't believe in organized religions but i do believe in the mayan teaching and worship. i think it depends if your a good person or bad person just don't do drugs , don't kill people, and be nice to others. besides 200 years ago. some people who were born on different islands or lands had never even heard of religions so they weren't even given a chance.

I got religions and atheists friends and i treat them with the same respect, as long as their a good friend to me i'm happy with it.

vampiredelavega

Following Christ is not an organized religion. It is a personal relationship with Him. You should look into it. Eternity is a looooong time.