I'm not asking if you think its genetic or whatever, but simply whether you think homosexuals decide to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex. I've talked to several people recently who believe that somehow gay people can just choose their sexual orientation as easy as choosing between buying a pepsi or a coke. Even when I've said to their face that as a gay male, I've never made any such decision in my life and have been attracted to people of the same sex my entire life before I even knew what homosexuality was....they still hold that opinion which is both confusing and insulting at the same time. They use examples who have apparently become straight from being gay either after some kind of religious experience (i.e. being shamed into pretending to be straight) or just because they felt like it (surely they were somewhat bisexual to begin with, I can safely say a woman does NOTHING for me). I'm not going to claim that there isn't the possibility of some psychological procedure invented in the future that can change a person's sexual orientation, but that doesn't mean people ever have a choice in what sexual orientation they have. What do you believe? (Also its kind of offensive that this forum censors the word h0mosexuality)
Yes. [QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] (Also its kind of offensive that this forum censors the word h0mosexuality) Where have you been during the time of the old Tou?
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Yes. [QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] (Also its kind of offensive that this forum censors the word h0mosexuality) Where have you been during the time of the old Tou? If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying.
I'm not asking if you think its genetic or whatever, but simply whether you think homosexuals decide to be sexually attracted to people of the same sex. I've talked to several people recently who believe that somehow gay people can just choose their sexual orientation as easy as choosing between buying a pepsi or a coke. Even when I've said to their face that as a gay male, I've never made any such decision in my life and have been attracted to people of the same sex my entire life before I even knew what homosexuality was....they still hold that opinion which is both confusing and insulting at the same time. They use examples who have apparently become straight from being gay either after some kind of religious experience (i.e. being shamed into pretending to be straight) or just because they felt like it (surely they were somewhat bisexual to begin with, I can safely say a woman does NOTHING for me). I'm not going to claim that there isn't the possibility of some psychological procedure invented in the future that can change a person's sexual orientation, but that doesn't mean people ever have a choice in what sexual orientation they have. What do you believe? (Also its kind of offensive that this forum censors the word h0mosexuality)JustBeYourself
I think those people who "turned" or "returned" to being straight would find your statement confusing and offensive, to use your words.
I think those people who "turned" or "returned" to being straight would find your statement confusing and offensive, to use your words.Planet_Pluto
That's because I think in the majority of cases, that's what happens. If homosexuality really was easily reversible like those ministries claim, then there would be a lot less gay teens killing themselves. You might find this video informative, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM
[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]ya, i know gay porn, but what do real couples do, u know?ganon92
Could you not use your imagination or something? well i see some gay couples that just seems to enjoy each others company, sometimes i think thats all they want, and all they need, they dont really want that in the poop chute or scissors, i think, but if 1 partner wants it, does the other willing to spread his/her cheeks?
[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]I think those people who "turned" or "returned" to being straight would find your statement confusing and offensive, to use your words.JustBeYourself
That's because I think in the majority of cases, that's what happens. If homosexuality really was easily reversible like those ministries claim, then there would be a lot less gay teens killing themselves. You might find this video informative, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaMSo if you think something, it's ok to talk despairingly about people.Or do you know what is in the hearts and minds of others. If people can go through life andthen realize that they are gay is it not possible for the reverse to be true?
Well i guess it is a choice in the sense that we can choose whether we have sex or not, hence having sex with men is a choice. Although i don't think you can choose who you are attracted to.
[QUOTE="ganon92"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]ya, i know gay porn, but what do real couples do, u know?Captain_Swosh69
Could you not use your imagination or something? well i see some gay couples that just seems to enjoy each others company, sometimes i think thats all they want, and all they need, they dont really want that in the poop chute or scissors, i think, but if 1 partner wants it, does the other willing to spread his/her cheeks? More likely than not, it works like a straight couple's relationship. If one wants sex and the other doesn't, it probably won't work out.
[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Yes. [QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] (Also its kind of offensive that this forum censors the word h0mosexuality) Where have you been during the time of the old Tou? If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying. Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."
[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Where have you been during the time of the old Tou?FMAB_GTO
If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying. Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."so are you saying that if a male is attracted to males, yet has sex with a female, that makes him heterosexual?
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying.needled24-7
Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."so are you saying that if a male is attracted to males, yet has sex with a female, that makes him heterosexual? What?By the time a person has traveled the long route to homosexuality, he cannot simply "choose" to be heterosexual any more than he simply "chose" to be homosexual.
No, it's not a choice. It's who they are, who they're born as and who they develop to become as they enter their adulthood. For some it can take years before the feelings will kick in, for others the feelings will appear as soon as they enter puberty. It is never a choice. Now do narrow minded, ignorant people choose to be ignorant, narrow minded and generally stupid? Yes, they do. As for if someone who is homosexual has sex with a woman while still having feelings with a man, then he was either forced or is bi-sexual. Being bi-sexual is also not a choice, it just simply is. Same with trans-gender and trans-sexual, it's just who the person is. We never choose our personality and who we become, we just develop that way from birth.
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] Where have you been during the time of the old Tou? If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying. Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise." Attraction is not a choice one can really make. Having sex with the same sex is a choice (which is partly why having sex with the same sex doesn't always equal homosexual), but attraction isn't a choice. Comparing attraction to choosing a cereal is like comparing apples to cars, there is no similarity,.
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="JustBeYourself"] If you're going to say "yes", why don't you explain yourself? You have a gay male right here telling you that it was never a choice for them, so your answer directly implies that I am lying.needled24-7
Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."so are you saying that if a male is attracted to males, yet has sex with a female, that makes him heterosexual? by his logic, everything in life is a decision, cant win that argument if u apply that logic. thing is, u just gotta say to him is, i want that handsome man, coz when i see him, i get a boner, not that i pick some random dude in the street and just decide to have a boner
Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."FMAB_GTO
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."Teenaged
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."FMAB_GTO
What do you think homosexuality is?
What makes a person homosexual?
Being attracted to the same sex?Correct.
How can that be a choice in any sense of the word?
How do I choose to get a boner with specific stimuli?
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Choice refers to a discrete and generally thoughtful and intentional decision between alternatives. You make a choice of which cereals to eat for breakfast at a specific time and place. By "generally thoughtful and intentional" I mean that we're generally aware (especially if asked) that we're making a decision, and there are generally some rational processes involved for assessing reasons for and against different possible decisions. Whatever we choose, we were "free to do otherwise."FMAB_GTO
What do you think homosexuality is?
What makes a person homosexual?
Being attracted to the same sex? Which boils down to the question, is attraction a choice? The Answer: No
*face palm* Ah maybe I was wrong and I admit it,having a boner with specific stimuli and attraction ARE reactions after all,not a choice. I don't like to stick to my wrong opinion.Sorry if I wasted your time Teenaged and Ring_of_fire.
[QUOTE="Bucked20"]It can be a choice,"experimenting" with the same sex is a choice of being gay Ring_of_fire
That's not entirely true. One can have sex with the same sex without being gay Homosexuality is about attraction, not sex. a hetero man would not have sex with another man, so drop that stupid argument, its ludicrous
This thread is a perfect example of why the new TOU is a piece of crap. Someone comes in with a legitimate question, and is assaulted by offensive and immature replies. The forums used to be the only thing worth coming to on Gamespot. Now they are useless as well.
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