Do You Tip the Waiter or Deliveryman?

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Damn. The guilt got to me. The delivery man just came with my food and I tipped him $2.00. Now, I feel burned.:(

bloodling

For a 8$ order I'd say it's perfectly acceptable.

I just realized something. They actually deliver orders that are less than $10? I've never seen a place that will do that. but yeah $2 on a delivery under $10 is pretty good.

Don't really tip around here. I do usually round it up to a an even number though if it's like 5.50 euros or 4.90.

Tipping should not be viewed as mandatory, it used to be in regards to if you we're given good service. You don't give good service you get no tip. You do a good job you get a good tip.

Tipping should not be viewed as mandatory, it used to be in regards to if you we're given good service. You don't give good service you get no tip. You do a good job you get a good tip.

testfactor888

But, if you don't tip, expect crappier service.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

Tipping should not be viewed as mandatory, it used to be in regards to if you we're given good service. You don't give good service you get no tip. You do a good job you get a good tip.

SgtKevali

But, if you don't tip, expect crappier service.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

Tipping should not be viewed as mandatory, it used to be in regards to if you we're given good service. You don't give good service you get no tip. You do a good job you get a good tip.

But, if you don't tip, expect crappier service.

I never tip, and the only reason I would ever tip is if I got exceptional service. Even then it would likely be less than $5.

I work in a supermarket and give good service. Do I get a tip? No. Why, therefore, should I tip a waiter for giving good service? I already pay their wages through my food price, no way I'm giving anything extra.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

Tipping should not be viewed as mandatory, it used to be in regards to if you we're given good service. You don't give good service you get no tip. You do a good job you get a good tip.

LightR

But, if you don't tip, expect crappier service.

That's fine, as long as you don't go back.

Damn. The guilt got to me. The delivery man just came with my food and I tipped him $2.00. Now, I feel burned.:(

BluRayHiDef

I never tip, and the only reason I would ever tip is if I got exceptional service. Even then it would likely be less than $5.

I work in a supermarket and give good service. Do I get a tip? No. Why, therefore, should I tip a waiter for giving good service? I already pay their wages through my food price, no way I'm giving anything extra.

daqua_99

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Damn. The guilt got to me. The delivery man just came with my food and I tipped him $2.00. Now, I feel burned.:(

bloodling

For a 8$ order I'd say it's perfectly acceptable.

[QUOTE="LightR"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

But, if you don't tip, expect crappier service.

That's fine, as long as you don't go back.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

I never tip, and the only reason I would ever tip is if I got exceptional service. Even then it would likely be less than $5.

I work in a supermarket and give good service. Do I get a tip? No. Why, therefore, should I tip a waiter for giving good service? I already pay their wages through my food price, no way I'm giving anything extra.

Dark__Link

I always tip waiters and food deliverymen. I mean, I guess if a waiter was a total jerk to me or something, I might not, but short of that...yeah. It's customary.

In the US, its different. Waiters get paid much less then minumum wage. In MA, minimum is 8.00$, waiters get paid about 3$.

In restaurants, I usually tip about 20%. I round up, never give them change, all green (unless I use a card, then Im out of luck). I always tip, unless the service is legitimately bad.

In terms of buffets, I do like 5-10%. Cause its just clearing plates. You serve yourself.

In terms of pizza deilvery? I dont really know. A dollar or two.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LightR"] By the time I tip it's usually at the end of their needed service so...harashawn

That's fine, as long as you don't go back.

Nobody.

When it comes to tipping in restaurants, I really don't like to unless the server has been quick, alert and cheerful. Otherwise they don't get a bonus from me. I know in the US its different, but where I live, I know waiters get paid properly and tips are basically bonuses. When it comes to delivery, I'll tip food depending on time and weather, but not anything else.

carrot-cake

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

That's fine, as long as you don't go back.

Nobody.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]What? Who tips when they walk into a restaurant?harashawn

Nobody.

Try to reread my statement. The real meaning will fall into place, I think. :P

I hate people like you. :|

You do realize most servers are actually paid *less* than minimum wage (one of the few jobs where that's legal) because that loss in wage is meant to be compensated by money made in tips?

The whole point is you give them a little something extra for busting their asses to make your night enjoyable. I typically tip 20% unless I get truely god awful service, but even then I don't really go lower than 10 unless they're actively going out of their way to give **** service.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]

I never tip, and the only reason I would ever tip is if I got exceptional service. Even then it would likely be less than $5.

I work in a supermarket and give good service. Do I get a tip? No. Why, therefore, should I tip a waiter for giving good service? I already pay their wages through my food price, no way I'm giving anything extra.

clayron

As a server/bartender I can tell you the job isn't easy. Most get paid below minimum wage and the tips count as more than 50% of our pay. Depending on where you work it can be 75% or higher. Also, some waiters may only get paid once per month.

I never really worried about tips too much because the resort I worked atincluded 25% gratuity in our pay. But when they take that away it hurts. People get pissed if you don't tip, and we remember. I haven't met a person that spit in someones food for not tipping. I have seen people sneeze or cough in food though. As well as provide dirty cutlery (they most likely were put through the wash, but maybe didn't come out 100% clean). And maybe next time you go out and find the service really slow...maybe wondering why the group that came in behind you has their meals and you'r still waiting on a drink refill...time to tip a little bit.

On the bartender side often times those who don't tip get their drinks floated (looks, smellsand tastes like your getting your full shot of booze, but the 'tender is floating maybe 10% on top). It is illegal. but it happens...and if you're drunk and being an jerk than you won't notice.

Some places also pool tips with the cooking staff and chefs as well (mostly the fast food places like big chain restaurants where the head chef comes in and preps for the week and the full-time chef is a microwave).

Tipping is to signify the person that the server, bartender, or pizza delivery man (under 30-minutes) has done a better than average job.

The problem with todays society is the tips are expected so servers and whoever else do the minimal requirements and we're supposed to tip themeverything including watching them pick their nose behind a door and not washing their hands.

I already pay their wages through my food price, no way I'm giving anything extra.

daqua_99

you in fact do not pay their wages through your food prices. They make less than minimum wage. If you were to pay their wages with the food, the food would cost about 15% more than it does now.

People keep saying waiters get paid less than minimum wage; how is that possible? I mean, from a legal standpoint how can a restaurant get away with paying less than what the state legally mandates?clayron

People keep saying waiters get paid less than minimum wage; how is that possible? I mean, from a legal standpoint how can a restaurant get away with paying less than what the state legally mandates?clayron

Because the state law allows for them to get less because it is assumed they'll get tipped. A server makes most of their money through tips.

People keep saying waiters get paid less than minimum wage; how is that possible? I mean, from a legal standpoint how can a restaurant get away with paying less than what the state legally mandates?clayron

[QUOTE="clayron"]People keep saying waiters get paid less than minimum wage; how is that possible? I mean, from a legal standpoint how can a restaurant get away with paying less than what the state legally mandates?Dark__Link

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="clayron"]People keep saying waiters get paid less than minimum wage; how is that possible? I mean, from a legal standpoint how can a restaurant get away with paying less than what the state legally mandates?clayron

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] Wait staff gets paid tips plus their meager wage. If the two combined do not add up to minimum wage, then the employer is forced to pay the difference. If they add up to more, then lucky waiter.Dark__Link

They do have to make up the difference but it is expected that waiters will make more than minimum wage. If tipping were not the custom than your food would be considerably more expensive. Otherwise no one would ever wait tables, because the job sucks. It's worse than fast food. I know I've worked both. If you don't like it then don't support it by not giving your business to places that pay less than minimum wage. Don't abuse the system by using the service and not paying for it.

When you're at a restaurant or receive food via delivery, do you tip the waiter or delivery man? I've never been in a situation where I had to personally tip a waiter. However, I've had numerous occasions where I've had the choice of tipping the delivery man. For example, last night while working at my college's fitness center, I ordered some Chinese food; steamed vegetables with white rice. The total came up to $6.97. I gave the delivery man a $10 bill and he reluctantly went into his wallet and gave me the change; it's as if he was waiting for me to say keep the change. After he gave it to me, as he was walking off he said You're so f***** cheap! I lol'ed and walked back inside. I just wanted to spend as little money as possible. I'm pretty sure that he got paid by the Chinese restaurant. Why should I have to pay extra money? Anyhow, I recall how apart from the exact change he gave me, there was no money in his wallet. This seemed way to convenient, as if he intentionally removed the rest of his money to give the impression that he was broke. He didn't fool me.

BluRayHiDef

Yes, I tip.

When I ask someone to perform a service, I try to compensate that person for the service that they provided.

No...I do NOT solicit people's services and then basically say, "I got what I wanted, you screw you, buddy! I ain't paying!"

I spit in the food of people that didn't tip me. I wouldn't order from that place again. wstfld

As much as I look down on cheapass self-entitled people who don't tip because they think the entire world should cater to their wants, what you did is even WORSE.

Yes, the person who didn't tip is probably a jackass. However, it's WAY more of a jackass move to spit in someone's food or mess with their food in any other way, simply because they pissed you off.

I tip, but I regret it. I think I eventually might stop tipping because if I'm ordering from a place where I have to tip (even if it's delivery), it ends up costing much more than what I should be spending. If they want my business, they'll have to deal with it.

And this "tipping for the service" stuff people are spewing is crap. Do you go into the back room when you're finished eating and tip the dishwashers for performing the service of washing your plates? No? Guess you're just as cheap as the rest of us.

The entire idea of tipping is just plain stupid. You've already paid for the service or product. Why should you pay more? The waiter or deliveryman should be paid by their employer. Why heckle the customer for more money? The entire idea is so stupid that it makes me rage.:evil:

BluRayHiDef

The product and service are separate.

Notice how when you order pizza delivered to your door, the price of the pizza is the same as if you went to the restaurant and ate it there. When the pizza boy gets to your door, the price he asks for is the price of the FOOD. It's NOT the "price of the food, plus the price of delivering it to your freaking door." No...you requested to have it delivered to your door. That's an ADDITIONAL SERVICE. And not tipping is ABSOLUTELY the exact same thing as requesting a service to be performed and thewn refusing to pay after it's done.

Now...keep in mind that this does NOT apply when a mandatory service charge is added to the bill. In that case, you ARE paying the minimum obligation required for having that service performed, and you have no obligation to pay any more. That's because the tip is included in the bill.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

The entire idea of tipping is just plain stupid. You've already paid for the service or product. Why should you pay more? The waiter or deliveryman should be paid by their employer. Why heckle the customer for more money? The entire idea is so stupid that it makes me rage.:evil:

MrGeezer

The product and service are separate.

Notice how when you order pizza delivered to your door, the price of the pizza is the same as if you went to the restaurant and ate it there. When the pizza boy gets to your door, the price he asks for is the price of the FOOD. It's NOT the "price of the food, plus the price of delivering it to your freaking door." No...you requested to have it delivered to your door. That's an ADDITIONAL SERVICE. And not tipping is ABSOLUTELY the exact same thing as requesting a service to be performed and thewn refusing to pay after it's done.

Now...keep in mind that this does NOT apply when a mandatory service charge is added to the bill. In that case, you ARE paying the minimum obligation required for having that service performed, and you have no obligation to pay any more. That's because the tip is included in the bill.

I know your second part of your post covers this but just letting you know that pizza places are charging that extra mandatory service charge now

I tip, but I regret it. I think I eventually might stop tipping because if I'm ordering from a place where I have to tip (even if it's delivery), it ends up costing much more than what I should be spending. If they want my business, they'll have to deal with it.

And this "tipping for the service" stuff people are spewing is crap. Do you go into the back room when you're finished eating and tip the dishwashers for performing the service of washing your plates? No? Guess you're just as cheap as the rest of us.

KHAndAnime

In many cases, the waiter/deliveryboy is NOT.

HUGE freaking difference.

Never mind that by paying tips, you're keeping food costs down.

I mean...think about it. Restaurants are usually not full of money. They're usually not cash cows, some magical goose that's constantly laying golden eggs. The profits are usually VERY slim in most restaurants, often even in high profile fancy resaurants. Most new restaurants fail in the first few years, it's NOT a business that's a freaking goldmine. And that's even WITH hiring professional and qualified staff who can deliver a high standard of service.

But do you know how they can afford to hire those people? In the case of waiters, by paying them LESS than minimum ****ing wage. Same thing with delivery boys. They often get paid garbage wages, while also having to provide their own gas money and wearing down their own ****ing cars. That crap is often NOT included in the menu prices. Because if it WERE included in the menu prices, then prices would have to go up. That then hurts business.

Consider a waiter who earns $1000 per week. The VAST majority of that money is coming from tips. Those people often don't even get paid HALF of minimum wage. Increase their wages to even freaking minimum wage, and then a hell of a lot of them have absolutely no incentive to provide the service desired by the customer. Even if they get fired, they're still more than qualified to work at a McDonalds or a Checkers, where they would have to work anywhere near as much to provide the kind of customer service that people want. They'd have to be paid well over minimum wage. That's a SUBSTANTIAL increase from the freaking $3 per hour that they were getting before. And...without tips, how is that going to be paid? Simply by increasing food costs across the board.

Suddenly, taking your prom date out to dinner gets a LOT more expensive. And suddenly...you now can't get out of it by stiffing the waiter. Now we're talking about what are essentially MANDATORY tips. That's the cost of eating there, even if the service sucks. Tips at least allow for nonpayment of service if the service is garbage. Take away that, and you no longer have the food costs and the service costs separate.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

The entire idea of tipping is just plain stupid. You've already paid for the service or product. Why should you pay more? The waiter or deliveryman should be paid by their employer. Why heckle the customer for more money? The entire idea is so stupid that it makes me rage.:evil:

testfactor888

The product and service are separate.

Notice how when you order pizza delivered to your door, the price of the pizza is the same as if you went to the restaurant and ate it there. When the pizza boy gets to your door, the price he asks for is the price of the FOOD. It's NOT the "price of the food, plus the price of delivering it to your freaking door." No...you requested to have it delivered to your door. That's an ADDITIONAL SERVICE. And not tipping is ABSOLUTELY the exact same thing as requesting a service to be performed and thewn refusing to pay after it's done.

Now...keep in mind that this does NOT apply when a mandatory service charge is added to the bill. In that case, you ARE paying the minimum obligation required for having that service performed, and you have no obligation to pay any more. That's because the tip is included in the bill.

I know your second part of your post covers this but just letting you know that pizza places are charging that extra mandatory service charge now

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

The entire idea of tipping is just plain stupid. You've already paid for the service or product. Why should you pay more? The waiter or deliveryman should be paid by their employer. Why heckle the customer for more money? The entire idea is so stupid that it makes me rage.:evil:

MrGeezer

The product and service are separate.

Notice how when you order pizza delivered to your door, the price of the pizza is the same as if you went to the restaurant and ate it there. When the pizza boy gets to your door, the price he asks for is the price of the FOOD. It's NOT the "price of the food, plus the price of delivering it to your freaking door." No...you requested to have it delivered to your door. That's an ADDITIONAL SERVICE. And not tipping is ABSOLUTELY the exact same thing as requesting a service to be performed and thewn refusing to pay after it's done.

Now...keep in mind that this does NOT apply when a mandatory service charge is added to the bill. In that case, you ARE paying the minimum obligation required for having that service performed, and you have no obligation to pay any more. That's because the tip is included in the bill.

Actually when they charge a delivery fee it is to cover the mileage on someones car. Not the tip.

our pizza story is untrue. If you order delivery they charge a delivery fee on top of the pizza price. Least Papa Johns and Dominoes does where I live. It is usually around 2-3 dollars added and is one of the main reasons I tend to just go pick up my pizza in the store now instead of doing delivery

I know your second part of your post covers this but just letting you know that pizza places are charging that extra mandatory service charge now

testfactor888

It depends on the business. It's not at all true for the entire industry.

Yes...some businesses realize that their customers are dirtbags who are trying to get stuff for free, and apply mandatory service charges to compensate for that. And in those cases, a tip is not obligatory since the cost of service is already being FORCIBLY applied.

And that's also the point. Before FORCING you to pay for service, you were content to simply ask for service and then deny payment. After they made payment for service MANDATORY, you decided to eliminate the service and pick the food up yourself.

That's a critical point. As much as people still like to hate on tipping, tipping is often still VOLUNTARY. As in, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from completely stiffing them on tips just because you're cheap. You can complain about tips all you like, but you aren't required to tip a single damn penny. However, when people DON'T tip, and still require the same service, that cost has to be made up elsewhere. Most obviously, by MAKING PEOPLE TIP via obligatory service charges.

Uh...no, because the dishwashers are getting paid BY THEIR EMPLOYER for their services.

In many cases, the waiter/deliveryboy is NOTMrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

The entire idea of tipping is just plain stupid. You've already paid for the service or product. Why should you pay more? The waiter or deliveryman should be paid by their employer. Why heckle the customer for more money? The entire idea is so stupid that it makes me rage.:evil:

Guybrush_3

The product and service are separate.

Notice how when you order pizza delivered to your door, the price of the pizza is the same as if you went to the restaurant and ate it there. When the pizza boy gets to your door, the price he asks for is the price of the FOOD. It's NOT the "price of the food, plus the price of delivering it to your freaking door." No...you requested to have it delivered to your door. That's an ADDITIONAL SERVICE. And not tipping is ABSOLUTELY the exact same thing as requesting a service to be performed and thewn refusing to pay after it's done.

Now...keep in mind that this does NOT apply when a mandatory service charge is added to the bill. In that case, you ARE paying the minimum obligation required for having that service performed, and you have no obligation to pay any more. That's because the tip is included in the bill.

Actually when they charge a delivery fee it is to cover the mileage on someones car. Not the tip.

How does that have ANYTHING to do with what I just typed?

The fact that delivery boys often have to use their own cars is in fact onwe of the significant reasons for tipping them in the first place. Yes, it's still part of the tip.

But aside from that, many restaurants require a MANDATORY gratuity fee for large parties. That's a mandatory tip, and those waiters aren't driving pizzas from door to door using their own cars. But it is the exact same principle. The reason why a MANDATORY service charge is applied is because in that situation people just don't tip. That requires the business to either cover the service costs themselves, or to flatout demand that the customer pay extra for the service performed. Which is, essentially, a MANDATORY tip.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]our pizza story is untrue. If you order delivery they charge a delivery fee on top of the pizza price. Least Papa Johns and Dominoes does where I live. It is usually around 2-3 dollars added and is one of the main reasons I tend to just go pick up my pizza in the store now instead of doing delivery

I know your second part of your post covers this but just letting you know that pizza places are charging that extra mandatory service charge now

MrGeezer

It depends on the business. It's not at all true for the entire industry.

Yes...some businesses realize that their customers are dirtbags who are trying to get stuff for free, and apply mandatory service charges to compensate for that. And in those cases, a tip is not obligatory since the cost of service is already being FORCIBLY applied.

And that's also the point. Before FORCING you to pay for service, you were content to simply ask for service and then deny payment. After they made payment for service MANDATORY, you decided to eliminate the service and pick the food up yourself.

That's a critical point. As much as people still like to hate on tipping, tipping is often still VOLUNTARY. As in, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from completely stiffing them on tips just because you're cheap. You can complain about tips all you like, but you aren't required to tip a single damn penny. However, when people DON'T tip, and still require the same service, that cost has to be made up elsewhere. Most obviously, by MAKING PEOPLE TIP via obligatory service charges.

Eh, about 10% more or less, Im cheapo because I dont have a job. I skimp out on tipping at certain buffets where the waiter/waitress only shows up at the end to clean up. Not that they can spit at my food anyway :P

I certainly do love the idea of pizza delivery, but hate the delivery fee that ph/dominoes etc gives out on top of tipping the driver :( Still I try to squeeze in $2

for them, because I can feel the pain of gas money.

And i only tip in restaurants if the service is good.Sigh_han