Do You Tip the Waiter or Deliveryman?

[QUOTE="Sigh_han"] And i only tip in restaurants if the service is good.testfactor888

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Sigh_han"] And i only tip in restaurants if the service is good.Commander-Gree

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Uh...no, because the dishwashers are getting paid BY THEIR EMPLOYER for their services.

In many cases, the waiter/deliveryboy is NOTtestfactor888

What the **** is so hard to understand about this?

If people want to get better service at X restaurant as opposed to at Sonic or Checkers, then the servers at those restaurants need to get appropriately paid. Otherwise, they could easily go work somewhere with less stringent customer service standards.

Once we've established that the waiters at a fancy restaurant need to get paid significantly more than minimum wage, then the next question is where that money is coming from.

And that money is ALWAYS going to be coming from the customers. If the waiters are providing service beyond what they'd be required to provide at a fast food joint, then SOMEONE has to pay them. That can either be in the form of VOLUNTARY tips, in which a small percentage of customers decide to not pay anything. Or the employer could provide a set wage well above minimum wage, in which the waiter makes just as much per hour even if business is ridiculousl;y lousy. That REQURES the business to pay more money just to keep the staff. And as I said before, the restaurant business typically does NOT have enournous profit-to-costs numbers. A single bad weekend can destroy a restaurant, doubling the waiters' wages so that they earn minimum wage can destroy a ****ing business.

Tips allow businesses to not pay **** on the waiters and bartenders who actually bring in the money. Those people are EXTREMELY valuable, since they are bringing in boatloads of money while being paid garbage by the company. That works.

Think of it this way...the people who are too cheap to buy a $30 entree and then tip their waiter 10%...well, getting rid of tipping DEMANDS that the food prices go up, regardless of the quality of service. Getting rid of tipping demands that prices go up EVEN IF THE SERVICE SUCKS.

Right now, some people complain about tipping. But they don't have to tip. If they refuse to tip now, even though in many cases itis COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY, then the ONLY real alternative is to make tipping MANDATORY. And...is that REALLY the better option for the people who can't afford to tip? In a voluntary system, it's possible to just completely stiff the waiter. Once the tip becomes MANDATORY, you're STILL paying for the service. Only now, it's incorporated as a mandatory component of the bill.

Your attitude has prompted me to stop tipping altogether for any service unless it is completely exceptional and outstanding. I diden't tip large amounts to begin with but the insults and everything toward people who don't tip made me decide that people don't deserve tips anymore since they might have your attitude for all I know. This feeling of entitlement you present is very unappealing and makes me not want to grant anyone this "tip" they feel they deserve just for doing their job. I will only tip if the service is extraordinary now so likely 5 percent of the time thanks to your posts. No joke

testfactor888

Says the person who stopped with delivery because of a freaking mandatory $2 service charge.

Yeaahhh.

Sounds more to me like you just any goddamn excuse whatsoever to pay as little as freaking possible. Keep in mind that YOU stated that you are gonna stop tipping completely just because one person who you happened to meet on a goddamned anonymous videogame website might be a jerk.

Yeah...suppose for the sake of argument that I am in fact the biggest assbag on the planet. And you're using that as justification to stiff the hell out of the numerous thousands of people working for less than half of the goddamned minimum wage, while still being expected to provide service FAR beyond the level of a minimum wage joint.

Yeah...I'M the one with entitlement issues. :roll:

Did you also notice that I'm NOT the one who made a blanket decision to never tip anyone again, just because I happened to meet a jerk on the internet?

I mean...did you even think about what you said?

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

I tip, but I regret it. I think I eventually might stop tipping because if I'm ordering from a place where I have to tip (even if it's delivery), it ends up costing much more than what I should be spending. If they want my business, they'll have to deal with it.

And this "tipping for the service" stuff people are spewing is crap. Do you go into the back room when you're finished eating and tip the dishwashers for performing the service of washing your plates? No? Guess you're just as cheap as the rest of us.

MrGeezer

In many cases, the waiter/deliveryboy is NOT.

HUGE freaking difference.

Sorry, waiters/deliveryboys get paid by their employer to deliver pizza's. Not just tips. They're required to pay whatever gives them minimum wage. They can always get another job if they don't like it.

I often don't tip, it depends on the type of restaurant, whether I expect to return or not and the amount of input possible from the waiter.

I toiled in a crappy, low wage job for a number of years and recieved no tips despite my job involving giving service directly to customers. I understand that in our society certain specific jobs are supposed to recieve tips, but I don't see the logic in it.

If the restaurant is upscale or I expect to return, I'll usually tip (and decently), but it's honestly only because of societal pressure and not because I believe it is deserved.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]our pizza story is untrue. If you order delivery they charge a delivery fee on top of the pizza price. Least Papa Johns and Dominoes does where I live. It is usually around 2-3 dollars added and is one of the main reasons I tend to just go pick up my pizza in the store now instead of doing delivery

I know your second part of your post covers this but just letting you know that pizza places are charging that extra mandatory service charge now

testfactor888

It depends on the business. It's not at all true for the entire industry.

Yes...some businesses realize that their customers are dirtbags who are trying to get stuff for free, and apply mandatory service charges to compensate for that. And in those cases, a tip is not obligatory since the cost of service is already being FORCIBLY applied.

And that's also the point. Before FORCING you to pay for service, you were content to simply ask for service and then deny payment. After they made payment for service MANDATORY, you decided to eliminate the service and pick the food up yourself.

That's a critical point. As much as people still like to hate on tipping, tipping is often still VOLUNTARY. As in, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from completely stiffing them on tips just because you're cheap. You can complain about tips all you like, but you aren't required to tip a single damn penny. However, when people DON'T tip, and still require the same service, that cost has to be made up elsewhere. Most obviously, by MAKING PEOPLE TIP via obligatory service charges.

Your decision to not tip comes from "people not deserving tips", a conclusion you derived from an interaction with a few people over the internet? Isn't that sort of pathetic? I mean, you're letting what someone says over the internet get to you.

Most deliverymen here don't expect a tip, nor is it really expected in a social sense, so I don't do it often. Waiters are more likely to get a tip, even then, it's not something that happens every single time.

I kinda chalk this up to a cultural thing, Americans seem more likely to tip, probably because of the nature of the contract for these jobs in the USA (something about the waiters relying on tips to make up a potion of their pay) and perhaps just the general demeanour of the American population. In the UK, no one is that high strung about it. Or if they are, I can't say I've ever noticed.

I don't support people spitting in or tampering with food if they're not tipped however, in any country.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Your attitude has prompted me to stop tipping altogether for any service unless it is completely exceptional and outstanding. I diden't tip large amounts to begin with but the insults and everything toward people who don't tip made me decide that people don't deserve tips anymore since they might have your attitude for all I know. This feeling of entitlement you present is very unappealing and makes me not want to grant anyone this "tip" they feel they deserve just for doing their job. I will only tip if the service is extraordinary now so likely 5 percent of the time thanks to your posts. No joke

MrGeezer

Says the person who stopped with delivery because of a freaking mandatory $2 service charge.

Yeaahhh.

Sounds more to me like you just any goddamn excuse whatsoever to pay as little as freaking possible. Keep in mind that YOU stated that you are gonna stop tipping completely just because one person who you happened to meet on a goddamned anonymous videogame website might be a jerk.

Yeah...suppose for the sake of argument that I am in fact the biggest assbag on the planet. And you're using that as justification to stiff the hell out of the numerous thousands of people working for less than half of the goddamned minimum wage, while still being expected to provide service FAR beyond the level of a minimum wage joint.

Yeah...I'M the one with entitlement issues. :roll:

Did you also notice that I'm NOT the one who made a blanket decision to never tip anyone again, just because I happened to meet a jerk on the internet?

I mean...did you even think about what you said?

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

It depends on the business. It's not at all true for the entire industry.

Yes...some businesses realize that their customers are dirtbags who are trying to get stuff for free, and apply mandatory service charges to compensate for that. And in those cases, a tip is not obligatory since the cost of service is already being FORCIBLY applied.

And that's also the point. Before FORCING you to pay for service, you were content to simply ask for service and then deny payment. After they made payment for service MANDATORY, you decided to eliminate the service and pick the food up yourself.

That's a critical point. As much as people still like to hate on tipping, tipping is often still VOLUNTARY. As in, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from completely stiffing them on tips just because you're cheap. You can complain about tips all you like, but you aren't required to tip a single damn penny. However, when people DON'T tip, and still require the same service, that cost has to be made up elsewhere. Most obviously, by MAKING PEOPLE TIP via obligatory service charges.

SgtKevali

Your decision to not tip comes from "people not deserving tips", a conclusion you derived from an interaction with a few people over the internet? Isn't that sort of pathetic? I mean, you're letting what someone says over the internet get to you.

I hate tipping, I do it maybe half the time.

I've heard several waiters say that they spit in peoples food or provide poor service if they are serving someone who has tipped poorly in the past.

People are starting to feel entitled to their tips. I've seen waiters and waitresses chase customers out of the restaraunt and complain that they weren't tipped enough.

Why should I pay them to do their job? I'm already paying for the service.

i dont tip the waiter but i do tip the taxi driver.

Yes I do.

Anyone ever have such poor service that they leave 1 single penny on the table but hide it under a pile of dishes. I did that before. Such a nice way of telling someone they did incredibly terrible service for the customer. testfactor888

Anyone ever have such poor service that they leave 1 single penny on the table but hide it under a pile of dishes. I did that before. Such a nice way of telling someone they did incredibly terrible service for the customer. testfactor888

It's also a nice way to make you look terrible as well.

Why not just not tip at all if you want to say the service is terrible?

You seem to assume that every waiter is like MrGeezer, or that every waiter is self-indulgent (not to say Mr. Geezer is like that or anything), which probably isn;t true. It's you that's sounding pretty selfish right now.

And perhaps waiters expect tips because maybe the pay they get from the resteraunt isn't enough to support themselves so they NEED the tips?

He's right. You are so ****ing cheap. ;/

bruinfan617

Not sure if your being sarcastic but I agree that OP is cheap. Honestly, people like your delivery guy don't make enough money from their minimum wage salary alone, you don't realize how much tips help people who work for restaurants.

I tip both the waiter and deliveryman, depending on the setting.

You really do get overly angry in these debates on the forums. You need to chill out and calm down already. I stick by what I said I won't tip people anymore unless its extraordinary service because they might just be a self-entitled person such as yourself who doesn't deserve 1 dollar of a tip. You are a very rude person Geezer and I woulden't doubt you have not been tipped on many occasions but I can see why through the way you talk to people. Regardless the 2 dollar service charge on a pizza is a bit much when someone is just as capable to go down and pick it up. You might consider it a small pittance but it adds up fast. In closing please get over it alreadytestfactor888

And before they made that service mandatory, you were perfectly happy to request the extra service being performed and then simply flat-out refusing to pay for it.

Now you're trying to justify refusing to pay other people for the services they perform. And your whole justification is that they MIGHT be a jerk. Yeah, they MIGHT be a jerk. They also DID perform the service that you requested from them. Have you ever hired someone to fix your car, allowed him to finish fixing your car, and then said, "you might be a jerk, so I'm not going to pay you"?

I do.

In the US it's a weird situation because many states pay sub minimum wage and then expect tips to make up the difference for their staff, which is ridiculous.

Here it's less of a problem, but I still do it anyway as if I'm eating out I'm already overpaying (compared to what I could make myself) and an extra 10% isn't going to hurt me. I won't when ordering fast food or coffee,of course, even though a lot of those places like to keep a tip jar around.

It becomes more bizarre when you start thinking of other services and tipping opportunities. I tip my hairdresser, but only because the guy charges $10 for a haircut and it's worth more than that to me (he gets $15). Should I tip my bank teller if I decide to make a deposit that route rather than use the machine? Bus driver?

To me the problem is that tips are expected with many types of service and they cease to really be 'tips.' If someone gives me spectacular service I should be able to use a tip in order to reward them for that, but it doesn't really work because the tip is more than implied (and in many restaurants it's enforced at 15% in that they tack it on your bill anyway). And if that's what the service is really valued at, then price it that way on the menu or the list of prices.

I always tip because - A: I'm not a cheapass, B: it's just good manners, and C: I've been on that side of the fence as well. I know what it's like to get stiffed. On the rare occasion where I don't tip (which has only happened once, and due to rather rude service of the waitresses part) I'll explain exactly why I'm not leaving a tip.

As for "paying already": you're paying for the product, not for the service. You pay for the service with your tip. The business is under no obligation to provide you with that service. I use to work delivery. I worked for a flower shop (never worked delivery for a food place). There was a charge of $2 tacked on to each deliver order to cover my gas costs (but not to cover my wage or the wear on my car). I'll tell you one example where I delivered an order to this person's house and got no tip. Not only no tip but no acknowldgement, no "thank you", not even a "**** off". They just grabbed the flowers and rudely shut the door in my face. A few weeks later I get another order to the same house. I told my boss "call them and tell them that they can come here and pick them up in person because I'm not going to deliver to them again", and I explain why. My boss agreed and called them.

As for "paying already": you're paying for the product, not for the service. You pay for the service with your tip.

worlock77

I wonder why people look for reasons not to tip...instead of reasons to tiprawsavon

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

As for "paying already": you're paying for the product, not for the service. You pay for the service with your tip.

DJ_Lae

Would you rather have a voluntary tip of a few dollars or a manditory charge that's likely to be several dollars more?

Would you rather have a voluntary tip of a few dollars or a manditory charge that's likely to be several dollars more?

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Would you rather have a voluntary tip of a few dollars or a manditory charge that's likely to be several dollars more?

DJ_Lae

And without tipping you're going to pay more for your food period, with or without good service.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I wonder why people look for reasons not to tip...instead of reasons to tipGazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]I wonder why people look for reasons not to tip...instead of reasons to tiprawsavon

But on average, who's more likely to give money away, someone who has it, or someone who doesn't?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I wonder why people look for reasons not to tip...instead of reasons to tipGazaAli

Personally speaking if I were so broke that I couldn't spare a few bucks for a tip then I wouldn't be ordering delivery food in the first place.

I always tip. I used to deliver pizza and was always pissed when people stiffed me.

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Would you rather have a voluntary tip of a few dollars or a manditory charge that's likely to be several dollars more?

worlock77

And without tipping you're going to pay more for your food period, with or without good service.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] hmm I dunno, because its their money? and they don't have much of it?SgtKevali

But on average, who's more likely to give money away, someone who has it, or someone who doesn't?

But about my statement being empty, no its not. If its your money, you get to decide whether you want to tip or not. Don't get me wrong, if I lived in the US I would totally tip because I believe its a good thing to do. But what I'm saying is that it should not be an obligatory give away.GazaAli

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] hmm I dunno, because its their money? and they don't have much of it?SgtKevali

But on average, who's more likely to give money away, someone who has it, or someone who doesn't?

ok maybe I don't have the full picture. But don't people order food because they want cheap, fast food? and a considerable amount of college students fit this description? I mean as a college student, I find myself with a really really tight budget 99% of the time. But about my statement being empty, no its not. If its your money, you get to decide whether you want to tip or not. Don't get me wrong, if I lived in the US I would totally tip because I believe its a good thing to do. But what I'm saying is that it should not be an obligatory give away.GazaAli

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] The first statement is an empty statement...that is true of anyone (your money :? ) The second statement has no bearing either...some of the most generous people (% of money given) are poor. I have always tipped well. Tons of stories about generous poor people and cheap rich people ...this has to do with the person, not their circumstancesrawsavon

But on average, who's more likely to give money away, someone who has it, or someone who doesn't?

But can't you see how lack of $ could be a motivating factor for not tipping? I'm not saying it's like that for all people, but I can definately see how lack of $ would cause someone to do that.