Do You Tip the Waiter or Deliveryman?

Tipping culture is absurd, though I still tip just because it's the norm and you receive better service for tipping well. Though my personal opinion is that tipping is nonsensical, why should I tip them for a service that they are being paid for already? I don't get tips at my job and I probably work harder and I have no doubt a lot more responsibility. Im_single

Again, you're not paying for the service. You're paying for the food. You pay for the service with your tip.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]10 percent is a perfectly viable tip but apparently you want to put someone down for it. People make me sick when they act like how you are about tips. You aren't entitled to them just for working the job you have to provide good service. I am sure you diden't provide terrible service to these people who gave you fantastic tips and in the long run you earned that money more than likelyJandurin

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

I refuse to tip just because its the norm unless they provide above "norm" service

Jandurin

They can find another job, they can get a job that pays better, get it through your head

[QUOTE="Im_single"]Tipping culture is absurd, though I still tip just because it's the norm and you receive better service for tipping well. Though my personal opinion is that tipping is nonsensical, why should I tip them for a service that they are being paid for already? I don't get tips at my job and I probably work harder and I have no doubt a lot more responsibility. worlock77

Again, you're not paying for the service. You're paying for the food. You pay for the service with your tip.

Minimum wage is enough to live off of and I am sure you make more than that on average.testfactor888

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]

I refuse to tip just because its the norm unless they provide above "norm" service

testfactor888

They can find another job, they can get a job that pays better, get it through your head

if your profession is wait staff or delivery then the other job you find is another wait staff/delivery job that pays roughly the same. you.... you've never worked before have you?

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] Someone sounds angry. Well your observation is faultytestfactor888

I sound angry? And by what, pray tell, do you base that on?

I'm perfectly calm. Honestly I cuss like a sailor. That's just how I roll. It's really awesome, however, that you get on my case for "prejudging" you, yet you presume to know what my mood is based on nothing of any consequence whatsoever.

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

racer8dan

if you're capable of doing it then go pick up the food yourself and bring it home? :D

Waiters shouldn't make less than minimum wage - that employers are legally allowed to pay them $2 an hour an expect tips to make up the difference is ridiculous. It's like food service-based prostitution.DJ_Lae

They can find another job, they can get a job that pays better, get it through your head

testfactor888

This would be a huge part of the truth of the mattertestfactor888

If you can't afford a tip then I don't see how you can afford to eat at a restaraunt or order delivery food. If you're that poor then take that money and go to the store where you can get enough food to make a few meals.

you.... you've never worked before have you?

z4twenny

ROFL. I can't say I support his action, but that's hilarious. Also, good man, I LIKE YOU EVEN MORE.T_P_O

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

racer8dan

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Im_single"]Tipping culture is absurd, though I still tip just because it's the norm and you receive better service for tipping well. Though my personal opinion is that tipping is nonsensical, why should I tip them for a service that they are being paid for already? I don't get tips at my job and I probably work harder and I have no doubt a lot more responsibility. Im_single

Again, you're not paying for the service. You're paying for the food. You pay for the service with your tip.

Fair enough if you live somewhere where waiters are actually paid a descent wage. However that is not the case here in the States, where "tipping culture" is the norm. There's a reason why that is the norm and it's because the waiters are not being paid for the service except via your tip.

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

racer8dan

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

Baconbits2004

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]10 percent is a perfectly viable tip but apparently you want to put someone down for it. People make me sick when they act like how you are about tips. You aren't entitled to them just for working the job you have to provide good service. I am sure you diden't provide terrible service to these people who gave you fantastic tips and in the long run you earned that money more than likelytestfactor888

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

Baconbits2004

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]lol why does that matter? seriously? why, is it different in where you live? or do I give you the impresion of a typical arrogant american "USA! USA! USA! **** Yeah!" type of guy?T_P_O

Still haven't seen anyone else touch on the glaring inconsistency in US tipping culture; some service people arbitrarily get tipped while others don't.

Why doesn't the great phone CSR deserve tips? Why doesn't the oil change guy who does a great job cleaning the car out get a tip?

There are so many examples of this, and I myself have experienced it in jobs I've had. We only tip certain positions because of very old cultural traditions, not because the tips are only deserved by waiters, bartenders and delivery people.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"] second[QUOTE="T_P_O"]ROFL. I can't say I support his action, but that's hilarious. Also, good man, I LIKE YOU EVEN MORE.Jandurin

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

racer8dan

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

racer8dan

If you can do it yourself, and aren't willing to pay others to do it, then do it yourself.

But after you get someone to do it for you, then they deserve to get paid for it.

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

T_P_O

That's just the thing though. You'll never see it mixed with the seasonings of the steak, or notice there's a little extra in with your gravy.

He might be an odd case though, this guy was disappointed that his wife threw away his sons umbilical cord, because he had 'plans' for it.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="z4twenny"] hah :>[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] dude um... they pay 2 bucks an hour. if you don't make 15 percent per table then you're making like minimum wage. what the ****harashawn

Still haven't seen anyone else touch on the glaring inconsistency in US tipping culture; some service people arbitrarily get tipped while others don't.

Why doesn't the great phone CSR deserve tips? Why doesn't the oil change guy who does a great job cleaning the car out get a tip?

There are so many examples of this, and I myself have experienced it in jobs I've had. We only tip certain positions because of very old cultural traditions, not because the tips are only deserved by waiters, bartenders and delivery people.

superfluidity

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] dude um... they pay 2 bucks an hour. if you don't make 15 percent per table then you're making like minimum wage. what the ****harashawn

+1

in the better parts of the US (that is, areas where the average cost of living is lower) you can scrape by on $8 / hr. expect to live in a crappy roach infested apt, living off of sandwiches and ramen with nothing but the most basic of necessities. you MIGHT have a mode of transportation to drive the 10-30 miles to work, but expect to be clinging on to every spare cent for the day that a belt goes out or you need a new alternator on your dying car. don't bother even thinking about asking for nice gifts on christmas or your birthday because your home WILL be robbed within 6 months.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] 2 dollars an hour 2 dollars an hour get it through headz4twenny

They can find another job, they can get a job that pays better, get it through your head

if your profession is wait staff or delivery then the other job you find is another wait staff/delivery job that pays roughly the same. you.... you've never worked before have you?

Well, yes I do live in the US, BUT how do you expexte me to tip them anyways when Im poor and I dont have a job, yet they do? Atleast I bought something from them and they are getting my $$$ anyways, I wish I had a job :(J-WOW

I take it youv'e never seen the office O_o

racer8dan

I once went to collect an Indian after ordering over the phone and paid with a note. The guy gave me my change on one of those silver trays as if expecting a tip. I thought 'for what?' You haven't done anything - I'm paying for the food, I'm collecting the delivery I'm not going to pay you extra for taking my money. When I got the delivery home I noticed some of the lids caved in and the popadoms were just crammed in and crushed. I'm sure he did it deliberately. Still, its their loss. I used to spend quite a bit of money down there about once a month or so and now I don't go there any more.

I'll tip a waiter if they do a good job and attend the table properly but very rarely tip delivery guys because I've already paid for the service and that's the service they offer. I also always check the price over the phone after I once caught a delivery guy trying to claim the order was £3 more than it actually was. I just think of it like this - what calibre of person works as a fast food delivery person? Although I'd like to think differently experience tells me they can't be trusted.

I also tip the paperboy and mail man at Christmas. They deserve a tip more than some punk from a fast food joint with a moped.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

Baconbits2004

That's just the thing though. You'll never see it mixed with the seasonings of the steak, or notice there's a little extra in with your gravy.

He might be an odd case though, this guy was disappointed that his wife threw away his sons umbilical cord, because he had 'plans' for it.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I sound angry? And by what, pray tell, do you base that on?

worlock77

I'm perfectly calm. Honestly I cuss like a sailor. That's just how I roll. It's really awesome, however, that you get on my case for "prejudging" you, yet you presume to know what my mood is based on nothing of any consequence whatsoever.

Still haven't seen anyone else touch on the glaring inconsistency in US tipping culture; some service people arbitrarily get tipped while others don't.

Why doesn't the great phone CSR deserve tips? Why doesn't the oil change guy who does a great job cleaning the car out get a tip?

There are so many examples of this, and I myself have experienced it in jobs I've had. We only tip certain positions because of very old cultural traditions, not because the tips are only deserved by waiters, bartenders and delivery people.

superfluidity

The guy changing your oil is getting paid quite well. The waiter isn't. Also with the oil change you're paying for both the goods and the service. With the restraunt you're only paying for the good, not the service. You pay for the service with your tip.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Still haven't seen anyone else touch on the glaring inconsistency in US tipping culture; some service people arbitrarily get tipped while others don't.

Why doesn't the great phone CSR deserve tips? Why doesn't the oil change guy who does a great job cleaning the car out get a tip?

There are so many examples of this, and I myself have experienced it in jobs I've had. We only tip certain positions because of very old cultural traditions, not because the tips are only deserved by waiters, bartenders and delivery people.

DJ_Lae

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] dude um... they pay 2 bucks an hour. if you don't make 15 percent per table then you're making like minimum wage. what the ****harashawn

I have had over 20 jobs. Working at 3 different delis (Schlotskys, Atlanta Bread Company, Panera Bread). Also I have worked at McDonalds, Del Taco, & Burger King. I also have worked as a manager at a CVS Pharmacy and a dishwasher at a casino restaurant. I have also worked at movie theaters and video rental stores. I have also worked at grocery stores and many other random jobs such as one job where I was digging holes for the For Sale signs in front of houses. I have worked and worked many of the jobs people feel entitled to receive tips at. I still don't think tips should just be handed out to people for doing shoddy worktestfactor888

That's just the thing though. You'll never see it mixed with the seasonings of the steak, or notice there's a little extra in with your gravy.

He might be an odd case though, this guy was disappointed that his wife threw away his sons umbilical cord, because he had 'plans' for it.

[QUOTE="Baconbits2004"]

Didn't read through the entire thread... but, FYI to anyone out there who doesn't tip; there are far, far worse things that have been done too food than spitting in it.

I knew a guy who used to add cheese (as he called it) to the food by scratching skin flakes off of his crotch.

DJ_Lae

Personally, I don't see that as even a viable reason to tip waiters. Sure...people should tip waiters. That's simply not the reason why.

Way I see it, anyone willing to do something so vile and criminal just because they got stiffed a few bucks, is a horrible person anyway. Someone who's that ****ing mean and disgusting is gonna do it if they want to. If they want to defile your food, they'll think of a reason regardless.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]

I refuse to tip just because its the norm unless they provide above "norm" service

testfactor888

They can find another job, they can get a job that pays better, get it through your head

That is such a lame argument. SOMEONE has to work in the service industry, you can't just tell everyone "yeah, well deal with it, get another job". Do you want nobody to work in that industry?!

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] Minimum wage is enough to live off of and I am sure you make more than that on average.z4twenny

+1

in the better parts of the US (that is, areas where the average cost of living is lower) you can scrape by on $8 / hr. expect to live in a crappy roach infested apt, living off of sandwiches and ramen with nothing but the most basic of necessities. you MIGHT have a mode of transportation to drive the 10-30 miles to work, but expect to be clinging on to every spare cent for the day that a belt goes out or you need a new alternator on your dying car. don't bother even thinking about asking for nice gifts on christmas or your birthday because your home WILL be robbed within 6 months.

They don't make less than minimum wage now do they? HoolaHoopMan

I've worked as a delivery person, I didn't get less than minimum wage and I also made tips. It was pretty damn good money for requiring no education whatsoever.

I've also worked as a grocery store clerk, made about the same per hour and recieved no tips.

There are so many examples like this that show how are tipping culture is completely irrational and based on old traditions rather than merit.

Yep it is but it depends on the location you are living in as well. In California I would imagine it would be tough. In the town I am living in it can be more than enough.testfactor888

Still haven't seen anyone else touch on the glaring inconsistency in US tipping culture; some service people arbitrarily get tipped while others don't.

Why doesn't the great phone CSR deserve tips? Why doesn't the oil change guy who does a great job cleaning the car out get a tip?

There are so many examples of this, and I myself have experienced it in jobs I've had. We only tip certain positions because of very old cultural traditions, not because the tips are only deserved by waiters, bartenders and delivery people.

superfluidity

The CSR has the cost of service included as part of the regular wage. When you get your oil changed, the service is already accounted for and is included as part of your bill.

That's NOT the case with waiters (in most cases).

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Waiters shouldn't make less than minimum wage - that employers are legally allowed to pay them $2 an hour an expect tips to make up the difference is ridiculous. It's like food service-based prostitution.T_P_O

Personally, I don't see that as even a viable reason to tip waiters. Sure...people should tip waiters. That's simply not the reason why.

Way I see it, anyone willing to do something so vile and criminal just because they got stiffed a few bucks, is a horrible person anyway. Someone who's that ****ing mean and disgusting is gonna do it if they want to. If they want to defile your food, they'll think of a reason regardless.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]I have had over 20 jobs. Working at 3 different delis (Schlotskys, Atlanta Bread Company, Panera Bread). Also I have worked at McDonalds, Del Taco, & Burger King. I also have worked as a manager at a CVS Pharmacy and a dishwasher at a casino restaurant. I have also worked at movie theaters and video rental stores. I have also worked at grocery stores and many other random jobs such as one job where I was digging holes for the For Sale signs in front of houses. I have worked and worked many of the jobs people feel entitled to receive tips at. I still don't think tips should just be handed out to people for doing shoddy workJandurin

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] They don't make less than minimum wage now do they? superfluidity

I've worked as a delivery person, I didn't get less than minimum wage and I also made tips. It was pretty damn good money for requiring no education whatsoever.

I've also worked as a grocery store clerk, made about the same per hour and recieved no tips.

There are so many examples like this that show how are tipping culture is completely irrational and based on old traditions rather than merit.