Do You Tip the Waiter or Deliveryman?

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

I'll put this to you.

I work in a supermarket stacking shelves (fruit and veg). A customer comes up to me and asks for a smaller piece of pumpkin. I go out back and cut the pumpkin for her. She says thanks, and leaves. I've performed a service that is within my job description and I got nothing extra for it.

However, if I'm a waiter, get the order correct, serve it to the customers, ask them for drinks every so often, and hand them the bill, I expect a tip? I'm doing what my job entails me to do, but I expect something extra for simply doing my job.

Catch my drift? If you do it for one industry you should do it for every industry.

Note: I'm Australian.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

I'll put this to you.

I work in a supermarket stacking shelves (fruit and veg). A customer comes up to me and asks for a smaller piece of pumpkin. I go out back and cut the pumpkin for her. She says thanks, and leaves. I've performed a service that is within my job description and I got nothing extra for it.

However, if I'm a waiter, get the order correct, serve it to the customers, ask them for drinks every so often, and hand them the bill, I expect a tip? I'm doing what my job entails me to do, but I expect something extra for simply doing my job.

Catch my drift? If you do it for one industry you should do it for every industry.

Note: I'm Australian.

LJS9502_basic

Here's an idea, why not just pay waiters and deliverymen the same way other types of employees are paid?

I wouldn't give him three dollars! Maybe a buck or so.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

I'll put this to you.

I work in a supermarket stacking shelves (fruit and veg). A customer comes up to me and asks for a smaller piece of pumpkin. I go out back and cut the pumpkin for her. She says thanks, and leaves. I've performed a service that is within my job description and I got nothing extra for it.

However, if I'm a waiter, get the order correct, serve it to the customers, ask them for drinks every so often, and hand them the bill, I expect a tip? I'm doing what my job entails me to do, but I expect something extra for simply doing my job.

Catch my drift? If you do it for one industry you should do it for every industry.

Note: I'm Australian.

BluRayHiDef

Here's an idea, why not just pay waiters and deliverymen the same way other types of employees are paid?

that's fine, but then your chinese food would have been 8.97$.

sonicare

If I could get a quality Chinese meal for that price I would be stoked

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You will be paid by the employer to fulfill the entire job description. Waiters and delivery drivers are paid LESS due to tips. So no...it's not the same thing at all.

sonicare

Here's an idea, why not just pay waiters and deliverymen the same way other types of employees are paid?

Fine. My point is that waiters and deliveryman should be paid just like any other employee, by their EMPLOYER from the business' budget and profits. It's stupid to rely on the customer to pick up on the business' slack. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Here's an idea, why not just pay waiters and deliverymen the same way other types of employees are paid?

Fine. My point is that waiters and deliveryman should be paid just like any other employee, by their EMPLOYER from the business' budget and profits. It's stupid to rely on the customer to pick up on the business' slack. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

I tip for both usually 15-20%, less if the service sucked.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] that's fine, but then your chinese food would have been 8.97$.

sonicare

Fine. My point is that waiters and deliveryman should be paid just like any other employee, by their EMPLOYER from the business' budget and profits. It's stupid to rely on the customer to pick up on the business' slack. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

No. They should be paid by the hour. If they perform poorly, they should just be fired, like any other employee. The entire concept of tipping is stupid.

But the fact of the matter is, at least in the US, waiters don't get paid the same amount. They rely on tips, like it or not. Just because you think it's stupid doesn't mean it's not the truth, and basing your principles off of NOT THE TRUTH is especially stupid.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Fine. My point is that waiters and deliveryman should be paid just like any other employee, by their EMPLOYER from the business' budget and profits. It's stupid to rely on the customer to pick up on the business' slack. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

No. They should be paid by the hour. If they perform poorly, they should just be fired, like any other employee. The entire concept of tipping is stupid.

Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationsrawsavon

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationsBluRayHiDef

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

rofl itt blurayhidef can afford high definition but is too poor to chip in a few bucks at dinner. I guess some people just don't have priorities so sadJandurin

This has nothing to do with not having enough money for food. I've said numerous times that I don't care about the TOTAL price of the food/ service, just that the "tipping" fee should be included in the service charge since people treat tips as if they are mandatory. My point is that why should tipping be optional if people are frowned upon for taking the option of not tipping? This could all be avoided if they'd just pay waiters and deliverymen the same way they pay other employees, this way they don't have to rely on the subjectivity of the customer. I wouldn't mind if my dinner costs a few dollars more; I just think the concept of tipping is stupid for the aforementioned reason. So, basically, it's not about the money per se, it's about the idea of making something optional even though people are ridiculed for taking the option most people don't.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationsJandurin

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

Eh, I'm just going to assume that you're some sarcastic jackass who likes to poke fun at people. You've yet to add anything substantive to this thread. All you've done is criticize me...for the wrong reason (as explained in my most previous post). I officially don't like you either. Buzz off.

This last page of the thread has been the best one yet. I can't wait to see the next page.FragStains

Wow, it seems as if anyone above level 40 likes to either incite drama, or instigate it. Sad, just sad. I made this thread just to see other people's opinions on this matter and to exchange ideas on it. I didn't make it so that someone could bring something completely irrelevant (my PC and my skin) into the conversation. What the hell does my PC and my skin have to do with this thread? Nothing. As I've already said, it's not about the money; it's about the principle: Giving the customer and option, but ridiculing him for taking the option you don't want him to take. That's just plain stupid.

Eh, I'm just going to assume that you're some sarcastic jackass who likes to poke fun at people. You've yet to add anything substantive to this thread. All you've done is criticize me...for the wrong reason (as explained in my most previous post). I officially don't like you either. Buzz off.

BluRayHiDef

This thread has gone from "Eh.. I posted in here yesterday, I should check the new responses" to F5 F5 F5Atmanix

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationsBluRayHiDef

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

I'm just going to assume that you're some sarcastic jackass ...I officially don't like you either. Buzz off.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationsBluRayHiDef

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Fine. My point is that waiters and deliveryman should be paid just like any other employee, by their EMPLOYER from the business' budget and profits. It's stupid to rely on the customer to pick up on the business' slack. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

No. They should be paid by the hour. If they perform poorly, they should just be fired, like any other employee. The entire concept of tipping is stupid.

I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.Travo_basic

I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.Travo_basic

I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.Travo_basic

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Bluray posted a thread about his skin condition. We all said he should go to the doctor (sounded bad)...but he said he could not afford it ...then someone posted his blog about a $2,000 PC After that, people did not seem as interested in helping. Most of us have money...life is just about choices and allocationscybrcatter

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

No it's not. It's forbidden in the TOU to put quotes into your signature without the attributer's consent. Guess what? I don't give you consent to put my quote into your signature. So, forget about it. Don't you just love the TOU?

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.FragStains

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.sonicare

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

No it's not. It's forbidden in the TOU to put quotes into your signature with the attributer's consent. Guess what? I don't give you consent to put my quote into your signature. So, forget about it. Don't you just love the TOU?

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

BluRayHiDef

No it's not. It's forbidden in the TOU to put quotes into your signature with the attributer's consent. Guess what? I don't give you consent to put my quote into your signature. So, forget about it. Don't you just love the TOU?

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.Jandurin

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

C'mon, man. I can't even make a thread without you turning it into a personal issue about me. That really wasn't necessary. I officially do not like you and will not respond to any of your posts. I ask politely that you never post in any of my threads ever again.

BluRayHiDef

No it's not. It's forbidden in the TOU to put quotes into your signature with the attributer's consent. Guess what? I don't give you consent to put my quote into your signature. So, forget about it. Don't you just love the TOU?

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"] :lol: Fantastic. This is going in my sig right now.

No it's not. It's forbidden in the TOU to put quotes into your signature with the attributer's consent. Guess what? I don't give you consent to put my quote into your signature. So, forget about it. Don't you just love the TOU?

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.Jandurin

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.FragStains

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"] This is a smart man...and one that I respect. Proper allocation of personal resources is something many people choose not to do these days...our grandparents would be sad :(rawsavon

[QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.sonicare

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="FragStains"]If I get terrible service I give 5%. Normal service gets 15% and great service can get up to 25%. The current system forces waitstaff to perform their duties in order to be rewarded, therefore I will give a measly tip if their service is horrible. Unfortunately, some waitstaff forget about how the system is intended to work and assume they are entitled to 20% gratuity even they didn't come get our drink order for 10 minutes, got the food order wrong, gave an attitude when asked (politely) to please have the meal corrected or amended, and took forever to bring the check. rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's appropriate. though my bad tip is 10% i don't eat out enough to have had an experience that was 5%... except maybe once, but it was at a sandwich place, not quite the sameFragStains

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Travo_basic"]I don't know why, but it bothers me when people leave no tip or a measly tip. If I cannot afford to tip, then I don't go out to eat. If I can't afford to pay the delivery man for my pizza, thern I go pick it up myslf.FragStains

I've given nothing several times, but it was deserved. I generally tip 15%, but some days I'm better with math than others.

I've given nothing several times, but it was deserved. I generally tip 15%, but some days I'm better with math than others.

Atmanix