does god really love us? maybe god is evil?

Does it mean god caused the flood? Floods are things natural in this world and Floods can occur because of humans who dont maintain a dam correctly am i right? So who would be to blame the man who owns the dam or the man who built it? I wonder.123625

[QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. 123625

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

Who are you to say all of the people were innocent? Innocent means guiltless. Plus its weather god can control if he wants to, but that doesnt mean he controls it all the time, does it? You seem to forget all the good weather can bring.

Does it mean god caused the flood? Floods are things natural in this world and Floods can occur because of humans who dont maintain a dam correctly am i right? So who would be to blame the man who owns the dam or the man who built it? I wonder.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Read my earlier comment.123625

You were saying about the africans and why they are suffering ive answered it. And i hate to see when people blame god for killing i really do. Its not his fault its the person who killed.

Explain to me how HE Directly is killing the people?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. SizeMatterzz

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

Man does not create floods because of sin or at all. That really doesn't make sense at all.

[QUOTE="123625"]Does it mean god caused the flood? Floods are things natural in this world and Floods can occur because of humans who dont maintain a dam correctly am i right? So who would be to blame the man who owns the dam or the man who built it? I wonder.SolidSnake35

So your saying god needs to come down and fix all our problems because we are weak human beings? If god comes down for all the big problems he would in turn have to come down for all the little problems no?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. qetuo6

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

Who are you to say all of the people were innocent? Innocent means guiltless. Plus its weather god can control if he wants to, but that doesnt mean he controls it all the time, does it? You seem to forget all the good weather can bring.

And the many infants in the tenth plague, I'm willing to bet.

The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Read my earlier comment.SolidSnake35

You were saying about the africans and why they are suffering ive answered it. And i hate to see when people blame god for killing i really do. Its not his fault its the person who killed.

Explain to me how HE Directly is killing the people?

Because they have free will and its their choice. They can do whatever they want with there money. And if the rich person gave away money to one thing would he not be expected to give away money to all disasters?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. 123625

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

Who are you to say all of the people were innocent? Innocent means guiltless. Plus its weather god can control if he wants to, but that doesnt mean he controls it all the time, does it? You seem to forget all the good weather can bring.

Does it mean god caused the flood? Floods are things natural in this world and Floods can occur because of humans who dont maintain a dam correctly am i right? So who would be to blame the man who owns the dam or the man who built it? I wonder.

The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?

this reminds me of descartes. he thought to himself, what if there is an all powerful deity that is evil? maybe he just likes watching us stumble around suffering and killing each other for his own amusement? however, if he is omnipotent, then he wouldnt need to be entertained. this would be a form of weakness and is, therefore, not conistent with an omnipotent being. LoG-Sacrament

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Read my earlier comment.123625

You were saying about the africans and why they are suffering ive answered it. And i hate to see when people blame god for killing i really do. Its not his fault its the person who killed.

Explain to me how HE Directly is killing the people?

Because they have free will and its their choice. They can do whatever they want with there money. And if the rich person gave away money to one thing would he not be expected to give away money to all disasters?

[QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. SolidSnake35

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god, (I'm not talking all of them)

If you sin you block urself from god. but when you ask for forgiveness god will listen and bless you.

So say you pray to god but you have sinned before you prayed, god will not listen, you must ask forgiveness and god will bless you. read the bible. Stop letting the devil block ur mind. god loves us all. All that is bad is because of sin.

God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Meh___Guy

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

What about children who get molested or murdered? God knows the murderer/molester will commit those atrocities, why doesn't he stop them before the child is put through something like that?

Also, some of the quote chains are getting very long. You guys should start trimming them before you get moderated.

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Brmarlin

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

[QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?SolidSnake35

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god,SizeMatterzz

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Brmarlin

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Elraptor"][QUOTE="123625"]Can you call god evil for giving us free will? For giving us the ability to choose whether we beleive in him or not? Is it evil to give free will? Just cause some one does something bad doesnt make god evil it makes the person who did it bad. SizeMatterzz

You saying you dont want free will?

God doesn't do that, SIN does. man does it. Why don't you step up and take RESPONSIBILITY for ur sin. and stop blame god for ur sin.

thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god, (I'm not talking all of them)

If you sin you block urself from god. but when you ask for forgiveness god will listen and bless you.

So say you pray to god but you have sinned before you prayed, god will not listen, you must ask forgiveness and god will bless you. read the bible. Stop letting the devil block ur mind. god loves us all. All that is bad is because of sin.

Damn, your grammar is atrocious. Aside from that, your mind is blocked by Jerry Falwell. Stop letting him block it.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

There is no point in learning a lesson if it's too late to apply it.

[QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* CIoud_S

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

Heh. Touche.

[QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Meh___Guy

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

Because they have free will and its their choice. They can do whatever they want with there money. And if the rich person gave away money to one thing would he not be expected to give away money to all disasters?

There goes the term Innocent who exactly is defined as innocent in gods eyes i ask you?

[QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god,SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Meh___Guy

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

Wouldn't it more likely mean that nothing is infallible?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

[QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god,SolidSnake35

wow, I'll pray for you. the devil is talking thu ur mouth. you are spitting out lies. I'm done with this. I have told you the truth. its time for you to live by it. I can do no more then tell you the truth. good night

thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god, (I'm not talking all of them)

If you sin you block urself from god. but when you ask for forgiveness god will listen and bless you.

So say you pray to god but you have sinned before you prayed, god will not listen, you must ask forgiveness and god will bless you. read the bible. Stop letting the devil block ur mind. god loves us all. All that is bad is because of sin.

SizeMatterzz

go read exodus 12:29

Umm that we look like God? God is not evil, evil is not a quality from God. Meh___Guy

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"][QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* MattUD1

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]this reminds me of descartes. he thought to himself, what if there is an all powerful deity that is evil? maybe he just likes watching us stumble around suffering and killing each other for his own amusement? however, if he is omnipotent, then he wouldnt need to be entertained. this would be a form of weakness and is, therefore, not conistent with an omnipotent being. MattUD1

i read your prior post and more on wiki about marcion and none of it seemed to address my post. care to explain(wiki usually isnt the most in depth source)?

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?qetuo6

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

There is no point in learning a lesson if it's too late to apply it.

what you just said:|, like i have no words to argue that comment its just.... So what your saying is that we should not do anything and not learn anything?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Meh___Guy"][QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* Meh___Guy

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

There goes the term Innocent who exactly is defined as innocent in gods eyes i ask you?123625

[QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god, (I'm not talking all of them)

If you sin you block urself from god. but when you ask for forgiveness god will listen and bless you.

So say you pray to god but you have sinned before you prayed, god will not listen, you must ask forgiveness and god will bless you. read the bible. Stop letting the devil block ur mind. god loves us all. All that is bad is because of sin.

Mr_sprinkles

go read exodus 12:29

Then Leviticus 18, just because it is amusing.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?SolidSnake35

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

What makes you think he doesn't do "things" anyway? For all you know, you could be dead right now if God hadn't saved your life from a random event. What was the random event? You will never know.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?SolidSnake35

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

So now you blame him for giving us life? there is no hope for some one like you.

[QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

There is no point in learning a lesson if it's too late to apply it.

what you just said:|, like i have no words to argue that comment its just.... So what your saying is that we should not do anything and not learn anything?

No, he's saying that it isn't a good lesson. I think.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god,SizeMatterzz

wow, I'll pray for you. the devil is talking thu ur mouth. you are spitting out lies. I'm done with this. I have told you the truth. its time for you to live by it. I can do no more then tell you the truth. good night

[QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="SizeMatterzz"]thats the devil telling you all this. so I'm know thre truth and I have told you the truth. its time for you to wake up. god have never kill anyone. man has.In africa, they do not worship god,SolidSnake35

wow, I'll pray for you. the devil is talking thu ur mouth. you are spitting out lies. I'm done with this. I have told you the truth. its time for you to live by it. I can do no more then tell you the truth. good night

Up there with getting back from that 6000 year long coffee break. If thats what you believe in.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]The person who muders though will get punished they dont get off scott free. So by your saying God should come down and stop murder where ever it happens am i right? Then how in the world would people learn?123625

You really think he enjoys watching his creations mock him? and do you think he enjoys watching us murder? People who murder will eventually get punished for their crimes either in this life or the next. God shouldnt need to come down from heaven and stop us each time we make a mistake. how would we learn?

So now you blame him for giving us life? there is no hope for some one like you.

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Meh___Guy"][QUOTE="Brmarlin"]

[QUOTE="Meh___Guy"]God is not evil. Its mans fault, that we are in our state *Garden of Eden* MattUD1

And if we are created in God's image, what does that say about him?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]this reminds me of descartes. he thought to himself, what if there is an all powerful deity that is evil? maybe he just likes watching us stumble around suffering and killing each other for his own amusement? however, if he is omnipotent, then he wouldnt need to be entertained. this would be a form of weakness and is, therefore, not conistent with an omnipotent being. LoG-Sacrament

i read your prior post and more on wiki about marcion and none of it seemed to address my post. care to explain(wiki usually isnt the most in depth source)?

"Eighteen hundred years ago in the city of Rome, an influential Christian heretic named Marcon took a look at the world around him and drew a conclusion: The god who created our cosmos couldn't possibly be good. The universe was shot through with appalling threads - violence, slaughter, sickness, and pain. These evils were the Creator's handiwork. Surely he must be some perversely sadistic force, one who should be banished from influence over the minds of men (1)" The (1) indicates a note and in the note there are multiple references.

I will admit the book doesn't go into detail about how God can't be omni-whatever... just that the Creator is inherently evil.

[QUOTE="123625"]There goes the term Innocent who exactly is defined as innocent in gods eyes i ask you?SolidSnake35

Yet you know hes made it the most simple thing to join up in heaven with him hasnt he? But then again it was the serpant who said "ye shall be as gods"