does god really love us? maybe god is evil?

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Yet you see he makes it so mind boggingly easy for him to forgive us. Beleive in Jesus and you will be saved, god cannot let sin go by unpunished because he is sinless, but he forgives us for beleiving in him.SolidSnake35

Once again the term "Good" who is good in god eyes no one. Jesus came down as a man for us and died and suffered for out sins. If you beleive in a good that will just forgive based on your good deeds you are wrong. Where is your attonement? you need a blood sacrifice and Jesus was that sacrifice. It makes sense.

Think about cain and abel what did god except? the nice fruit or the dead sheep? he accepted the Sheep because our fruits(good deeds) are useless if we dirty them (sin). Blood is the only way for atonement and thats why jesus died for us and took all his sins upon him.

Say i have a brother ok. Say you kill him ok. THen you are so sorry you give me 10 million dollers just and example. I loved my brother and he was my freind you killed him. Now would i really want money? (Fruit). No of course i wouldnt i would want your blood as equal atonement. Same situation reversed what would you want?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

People who are saying God is evil for killing people need to understand that there is not one instance in the Bible where the people in question were not involved in horrific acts, not the least of which being sacrificing newborns.

People who are saying God should have created free will without evil need to understand that is completely and logically impossible. Under no possible circumstance can you create something with free will and then make it always good, even when it doesn't want to be good; That is not free will.

God made free will, then He made rules. Saying we don't have free will because God gets mad when we break the rules is like saying we don't have free will because the government puts us in prison for breaking the law.

People who are saying Hell is horrible need to look at their own worldview. If they don't want God, they won't get God. Hell is seperation from God; For an atheist, being with God in Heaven would be no better than Hell.

Dracargen

Uh-huh. . .

Exodus 1:9-16:

"He said to his people, "look, the Isrealite people are more numerous and powerful than we are. Let us deal shrewdly with them; Otherwise they will multiply further, and if war breaks out, they may join our enemies, fight against us, and leave the country." So the Egyptians assigned taskmakers over the Isrealites to oppress them with forced labor.. . Bu t the more they oppressed them, the more they multiplied and spread so that the Egyptians came to dread the Isrealities. They worked the Isrealites ruthlessly and made their lives bitter with difficult labor in brick and mortar, and in all kinds of fieldwork. . .Then the King of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives. . ."When you give birth, if it is a son, kill him, but if it is a daughter, keep her alive."

The Egyptians did it first.;)

#edit for clarity# it's the egyptian slavers and the rulers that killed and ordered the killing firstborns of the isrealites. The sons of those people are still innocent, and yet god cuts them down. it is as though god treats those sons as possesions rather than people.

They probably had a hand in it, since the Egyptians indoctrinated their kids in slavery. Also, the Bible doesn't mention how old the firstborns were. . .just that they were firstborns. They could have been 50 for all we know.

Finally, the pharoah was given fair warning. Many times. The king of Egypt knew good and well what was coming, but he sanctioned it anyway.

its not unreasonable to think that children and infants may be included in that number.

besides, there are other examples of god killing, like the siege of jericho. well, god doesn't actually do the killing himself, but he commands that all be killed but the prostitute rahab. man and woman, young and old. something like that.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][Christians are not promised an easy time. . .in fact, they are promised the exact opposite. . .it is the non-christians who have it easy.Dracargen

What? Where on Earth did you get that?

Inactive Christians are called "lukewarm" by Jesus Himself and are promised to regret being so hypocritical in their faith.:|

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Yet you see he makes it so mind boggingly easy for him to forgive us. Beleive in Jesus and you will be saved, god cannot let sin go by unpunished because he is sinless, but he forgives us for beleiving in him.123625

Once again the term "Good" who is good in god eyes no one. Jesus came down as a man for us and died and suffered for out sins. If you beleive in a good that will just forgive based on your good deeds you are wrong. Where is your attonement? you need a blood sacrifice and Jesus was that sacrifice. It makes sense.

Think about cain and abel what did god except? the nice fruit or the dead sheep? he accepted the Sheep because our fruits(good deeds) are useless if we dirty them (sin). Blood is the only way for atonement and thats why jesus died for us and took all his sins upon him.

Say i have a brother ok. Say you kill him ok. THen you are so sorry you give me 10 million dollers just and example. I loved my brother and he was my freind you killed him. Now would i really want money? (Fruit). No of course i wouldnt i would want your blood as equal atonement. Same situation reversed what would you want?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][Christians are not promised an easy time. . .in fact, they are promised the exact opposite. . .it is the non-christians who have it easy.SolidSnake35

What? Where on Earth did you get that?

Inactive Christians are called "lukewarm" by Jesus Himself and are promised to regret being so hypocritical in their faith.:|

Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Yet you see he makes it so mind boggingly easy for him to forgive us. Beleive in Jesus and you will be saved, god cannot let sin go by unpunished because he is sinless, but he forgives us for beleiving in him.SolidSnake35

Once again the term "Good" who is good in god eyes no one. Jesus came down as a man for us and died and suffered for out sins. If you beleive in a good that will just forgive based on your good deeds you are wrong. Where is your attonement? you need a blood sacrifice and Jesus was that sacrifice. It makes sense.

Think about cain and abel what did god except? the nice fruit or the dead sheep? he accepted the Sheep because our fruits(good deeds) are useless if we dirty them (sin). Blood is the only way for atonement and thats why jesus died for us and took all his sins upon him.

Say i have a brother ok. Say you kill him ok. THen you are so sorry you give me 10 million dollers just and example. I loved my brother and he was my freind you killed him. Now would i really want money? (Fruit). No of course i wouldnt i would want your blood as equal atonement. Same situation reversed what would you want?

killing every firstborn.

its not unreasonable to think that children and infants may be included in that number.

besides, there are other examples of god killing, like the siege of jericho. well, god doesn't actually do the killing himself, but he commands that all be killed but the prostitute rahab. man and woman, young and old. something like that.

Mr_sprinkles

Yes, and Jericho deserved it.:|

Pfft. What about just us stepping on some old guy's lawn?qetuo6

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Yet you see he makes it so mind boggingly easy for him to forgive us. Beleive in Jesus and you will be saved, god cannot let sin go by unpunished because he is sinless, but he forgives us for beleiving in him.SolidSnake35

Once again the term "Good" who is good in god eyes no one. Jesus came down as a man for us and died and suffered for out sins. If you beleive in a good that will just forgive based on your good deeds you are wrong. Where is your attonement? you need a blood sacrifice and Jesus was that sacrifice. It makes sense.

Think about cain and abel what did god except? the nice fruit or the dead sheep? he accepted the Sheep because our fruits(good deeds) are useless if we dirty them (sin). Blood is the only way for atonement and thats why jesus died for us and took all his sins upon him.

Say i have a brother ok. Say you kill him ok. THen you are so sorry you give me 10 million dollers just and example. I loved my brother and he was my freind you killed him. Now would i really want money? (Fruit). No of course i wouldnt i would want your blood as equal atonement. Same situation reversed what would you want?

Blood sacrifices are only for the jewish i think im not to sure about the jewish plus i think the torah explains how and what you can do to attone. Besides christians dont need sacrifice because of the lord christ he forgives the ones who beleive in him for any sin.

Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Yet you see he makes it so mind boggingly easy for him to forgive us. Beleive in Jesus and you will be saved, god cannot let sin go by unpunished because he is sinless, but he forgives us for beleiving in him.123625

Once again the term "Good" who is good in god eyes no one. Jesus came down as a man for us and died and suffered for out sins. If you beleive in a good that will just forgive based on your good deeds you are wrong. Where is your attonement? you need a blood sacrifice and Jesus was that sacrifice. It makes sense.

Think about cain and abel what did god except? the nice fruit or the dead sheep? he accepted the Sheep because our fruits(good deeds) are useless if we dirty them (sin). Blood is the only way for atonement and thats why jesus died for us and took all his sins upon him.

Say i have a brother ok. Say you kill him ok. THen you are so sorry you give me 10 million dollers just and example. I loved my brother and he was my freind you killed him. Now would i really want money? (Fruit). No of course i wouldnt i would want your blood as equal atonement. Same situation reversed what would you want?

Blood sacrifices are only for the jewish i think im not to sure about the jewish plus i think the torah explains how and what you can do to attone. Besides christians dont need sacrifice because of the lord christ he forgives the ones who beleive in him for any sin.

So by believing in God, all sins are forgiven? I smell a crusade coming.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][Christians are not promised an easy time. . .in fact, they are promised the exact opposite. . .it is the non-christians who have it easy.SolidSnake35

What? Where on Earth did you get that?

Inactive Christians are called "lukewarm" by Jesus Himself and are promised to regret being so hypocritical in their faith.:|

Quit taking words and putting them into my mouth.

No, not "hardcore" only Christians get into Heaven. In fact, I never said inactive Christians don't go to Heaven. I said they will regret being hypocritical with Jesus.

Christians who actually act Christian, rather than believing in God for afterlife insurance, will be rewarded. I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.

[QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.SolidSnake35

I'll just have to wonder why so many people attributed Him to goodness and love for eternity.

Christians who actually act Christian, rather than believing in God for afterlife insurance, will be rewarded. I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.Dracargen

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.Dracargen

I'll just have to wonder why so many people attributed Him to goodnaess and love for eternity.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Christians who actually act Christian, rather than believing in God for afterlife insurance, will be rewarded. I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.SolidSnake35

Yes and no. All the Bible says on the subject is that they will suffer "Great loss" in Heaven. I suppose your analogy would be correct.

As for the Bible and what does and does not get you into Heaven, belief in Christ + works produced from and for that faith = Heaven.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Christians who actually act Christian, rather than believing in God for afterlife insurance, will be rewarded. I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.SolidSnake35

agreed, basic psychology

[QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.SolidSnake35

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.SolidSnake35

I'll just have to wonder why so many people attributed Him to goodnaess and love for eternity.

If the Christian faith is made up, then it isn't the Christian God I will find, and I won't have to wonder about anything.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]killing every firstborn.

its not unreasonable to think that children and infants may be included in that number.

besides, there are other examples of god killing, like the siege of jericho. well, god doesn't actually do the killing himself, but he commands that all be killed but the prostitute rahab. man and woman, young and old. something like that.

Dracargen

Yes, and Jericho deserved it.:|

meh, it's way past my bedtime:P g'night!

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.123625

I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.Dracargen

[If the Christian faith is made up, then it isn't the Christian God I will find, and I won't have to wonder about anything.Dracargen

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

[QUOTE="123625"]Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.SolidSnake35

I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.Dracargen

Think about it, If the god Yahweh is'nt god and say the god that is real gives has a works rightous system. Where does that leave the disabled? They have no chance of entering the holy land cause they cant do good deeds enough to enter in other words they are screwed. PLease explain to me whats wrong with just beleiving in salvation?

sorry mistyped

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]killing every firstborn.

its not unreasonable to think that children and infants may be included in that number.

besides, there are other examples of god killing, like the siege of jericho. well, god doesn't actually do the killing himself, but he commands that all be killed but the prostitute rahab. man and woman, young and old. something like that.

Mr_sprinkles

Yes, and Jericho deserved it.:|

meh, it's way past my bedtime:P g'night!

Jericho was one city in the land of Canaan. Do you know what they did in Canaan?

Among many other things, they practised religions that made them sacrifice newborn babies and unborn fetuses to idols. Jericho was one of these cities.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.qetuo6

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

What I don't get when this question is asked is why people always blather on about free will. Surely all we have to do is look at all the evil that is not the result of free will.

Can a natural disaster be evil? Not inherently so but it leads to suffering. Any and all natural disasters are caused by god, IF, said god is omnipotent. If the disasters are not caused by god then he is not omnipotent because the very concept of being all powerful means you control EVERYTHING. Except that free wil get out clause. Which doesnt work for cancer, ebola, aids, hurricane, drought, famine, malayria. Free will doesnt even come into it.

Also, if you look around and dont see things as random mutation but intelligent design then I would like to send a big **** you to god for intelligently designing all those wonderful viruses and diseases, thanks a bunch. QED.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]killing every firstborn.

its not unreasonable to think that children and infants may be included in that number.

besides, there are other examples of god killing, like the siege of jericho. well, god doesn't actually do the killing himself, but he commands that all be killed but the prostitute rahab. man and woman, young and old. something like that.

Dracargen

Yes, and Jericho deserved it.:|

meh, it's way past my bedtime:P g'night!

Jericho was one city in the land of Canaan. Do you know what they did in Canaan?

Among many other things, they practised religions that made them sacrifice newborn babies and unborn fetuses to idols. Jericho was one of these cities.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

You traveled around the world but saw nothing but intelligent design? What kind of God creates animals that do nothing but struggle to survive and the only means to do so is to devour other animals?

[QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.thirstychainsaw

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

You traveled around the world but saw nothing but intelligent design? What kind of God creates animals that do nothing but struggle to survive and the only means to do so is to devour other animals?

Yeah what good creates the cows that you get you milk from or the pigs you get your meat from? Then again you must be an animal cause you eat other animals am i wrong?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.123625

I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.Dracargen

Think about it, If the god Yahweh is god and say the god that is real gives has a works rightous system. Where does that leave the disabled? They have no chance of entering the holy land cause they cant do good deeds enough to enter in other words they are screwed. PLease explain to me whats wrong with just believing in salvation?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.qetuo6

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

See what if the right answer had been in front of you all the time? think about that.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][If the Christian faith is made up, then it isn't the Christian God I will find, and I won't have to wonder about anything.SolidSnake35

Wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about God is on par with wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about a blue sky for me, but I'll go along for you.

If I am wrong, and if it is one of the othe rreligions that is correct, then logic would infer that the correct religion would still be here (why would the real God allow his holy truth to die?). That leaves the Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, deism, and new ageism, among others.

If deism is correct, then my fate is the same as if no God exists. So I will discount that.

New Ageism is subjective. If you believe it, it is true. I will leave that out as well.

Hinduism, if correct, practices reincarnation. I have nothing to fear on this one. Reincarnation would be pretty cool.

Islam believes that Christians and Jews will go to Heaven along with Islamics. By invoking Pascal's Wager, I will be just fine if Islam is correct.

Judaism also believes that good people will go to Heaven. Again, Pascal's Wager simply helps me.

Any religions that practise exclusivism that aren't dead?

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

You traveled around the world but saw nothing but intelligent design? What kind of God creates animals that do nothing but struggle to survive and the only means to do so is to devour other animals?

Yeah what good creates the cows that you get you milk from or the pigs you get your meat from? Then again you must be an animal cause you eat other animals am i wrong?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.123625

I still want to know where the Bible says that all you need to do is believe in God.Dracargen

Think about it, If the god Yahweh is'nt god and say the god that is real gives has a works rightous system. Where does that leave the disabled? They have no chance of entering the holy land cause they cant do good deeds enough to enter in other words they are screwed. PLease explain to me whats wrong with just beleiving in salvation?

sorry mistyped

For the second time, Christians who only believe for afterlife insurance won't go to hell.

Not much choice if the alternative is Hell... and I'm sure that God would understand that he made it so it was impossible for me to believe in him and forgive me.qetuo6

It is obviously not impossible for you to believe in Him since two billion others already do.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.qetuo6

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

You traveled around the world but saw nothing but intelligent design? What kind of God creates animals that do nothing but struggle to survive and the only means to do so is to devour other animals?

Yeah what good creates the cows that you get you milk from or the pigs you get your meat from? Then again you must be an animal cause you eat other animals am i wrong?

I know im not an animal im a human, in gods image.

I was just using his words against him.

What I don't get when this question is asked is why people always blather on about free will. Surely all we have to do is look at all the evil that is not the result of free will.

Can a natural disaster be evil? Not inherently so but it leads to suffering. Any and all natural disasters are caused by god, IF, said god is omnipotent. If the disasters are not caused by god then he is not omnipotent because the very concept of being all powerful means you control EVERYTHING. Except that free wil get out clause. Which doesnt work for cancer, ebola, aids, hurricane, drought, famine, malayria. Free will doesnt even come into it.

Also, if you look around and dont see things as random mutation but intelligent design then I would like to send a big **** you to god for intelligently designing all those wonderful viruses and diseases, thanks a bunch. QED.

Loonie

I would just like to add that genetically there are more differences between rats and mice than there are between humans and chimpanzees.

[QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

See what if the right answer had been in front of you all the time? think about that.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][If the Christian faith is made up, then it isn't the Christian God I will find, and I won't have to wonder about anything.Dracargen

Wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about God is on par with wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about a blue sky for me, but I'll go along for you.

If I am wrong, and if it is one of the othe rreligions that is correct, then logic would infer that the correct religion would still be here (why would the real God allow his holy truth to die?). That leaves the Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, deism, and new ageism, among others.

If deism is correct, then my fate is the same as if no God exists. So I will discount that.

New Ageism is subjective. If you believe it, it is true. I will leave that out as well.

Hinduism, if correct, practices reincarnation. I have nothing to fear on this one. Reincarnation would be pretty cool.

Islam believes that Christians and Jews will go to Heaven along with Islamics. By invoking Pascal's Wager, I will be just fine if Islam is correct.

Judaism also believes that good people will go to Heaven. Again, Pascal's Wager simply helps me.

Any religions that practise exclusivism that aren't dead?

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

What I don't get when this question is asked is why people always blather on about free will. Surely all we have to do is look at all the evil that is not the result of free will.

Can a natural disaster be evil? Not inherently so but it leads to suffering. Any and all natural disasters are caused by god, IF, said god is omnipotent. If the disasters are not caused by god then he is not omnipotent because the very concept of being all powerful means you control EVERYTHING. Except that free wil get out clause. Which doesnt work for cancer, ebola, aids, hurricane, drought, famine, malayria. Free will doesnt even come into it.

Um. Omnipotence does not mean God controls everything. That is eons away from the definition of omnipotence.:|

Also, if you look around and dont see things as random mutation but intelligent design then I would like to send a big **** you to god for intelligently designing all those wonderful viruses and diseases, thanks a bunch. QED.

God caused all those viruses? I thought they evolved on their own after millions of years.. .

Loonie

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.qetuo6

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

See what if the right answer had been in front of you all the time? think about that.

A triangle can fit inside of a circle you know.

Since I was created to require logic when it comes to things of this caliber, and religion has none, I can't accept it. Religion is a triangle, my mind is a circle. (In case you are wondering, the two shapes don't matter, as long as they are not the same, the metaphor works fine.qetuo6

Religion doesn't use logic? That is your opinion. As Galileo said, "I'm not inclined to believe the same God who blessed us with logic and reason intended us to forgo their use."

[QUOTE="qetuo6"]Not much choice if the alternative is Hell... and I'm sure that God would understand that he made it so it was impossible for me to believe in him and forgive me.Dracargen

It is obviously not impossible for you to believe in Him since two billion others already do.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][If the Christian faith is made up, then it isn't the Christian God I will find, and I won't have to wonder about anything.SolidSnake35

Wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about God is on par with wondering about whether or not I'm wrong about a blue sky for me, but I'll go along for you.

If I am wrong, and if it is one of the othe rreligions that is correct, then logic would infer that the correct religion would still be here (why would the real God allow his holy truth to die?). That leaves the Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, deism, and new ageism, among others.

If deism is correct, then my fate is the same as if no God exists. So I will discount that.

New Ageism is subjective. If you believe it, it is true. I will leave that out as well.

Hinduism, if correct, practices reincarnation. I have nothing to fear on this one. Reincarnation would be pretty cool.

Islam believes that Christians and Jews will go to Heaven along with Islamics. By invoking Pascal's Wager, I will be just fine if Islam is correct.

Judaism also believes that good people will go to Heaven. Again, Pascal's Wager simply helps me.

Any religions that practise exclusivism that aren't dead?

I don't believe in any of those possibilities because none of them make sense. Islam, for example, has a god that is described as all-good but repeatedly lies to his own followers. That is self-contradictory, and does not make sense.

Atheism doesn't make sense to me because things like moral reletivism, the universe coming into existence on its' own by complete chance, and other beliefs that are associated with atheism don't make any sense.

Christianity is the only religion where I am free to use my intellect as well as my faith, where I can use reason to come to grips with God and reality, and so, it is the only thing that makes sense to me.

[QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="qetuo6"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]Jesus wasnt a nice guy?! You serious! and no all christians that beleive and love the lord christ go to heaven regardless of what they have done they are forgiven. Some people who consider themselves christian probably wont even get into heaven cause they know nothing about their own religion.123625

First of all i beleive in Yahweh because he makes the most sense. Another reason is because i look around this world i dont see random mutation i see an intellegent design. If my god is wrong it wont matter much will it. Because most religions have the works rightous system meaning the good deeds you do get you into heaven, so far im not bad so i dont even have to beleive in that god to get into heaven. And most pagan religions if they are true dont have a form of hell so hey im saved there.

Say if the hindu is right i'll just be reincarnated. Is that how it works? or do i havge to be hindu? I will however be incredibly ******* if Allah was god, i wouldnt follow him any way even if he was god. But i consider him Satan. and finally if Atheism is right it wont matter either way.

Christ makes the most sense to me cause all you have to to is beleive.

Ok you mean like say for example Islam? First of all even if he was god i couldnt be blamed. Because according to the Quran Allah made it appear to the christians that Jesus was hung up on the cross. So that makes him a deceiver thus making him a lier this making him able to forgive liers.

I wouldnt beleive in any religion that forces people to join even if it was real. Jesus is all about choice.

See what if the right answer had been in front of you all the time? think about that.

A triangle can fit inside of a circle you know.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="qetuo6"]Not much choice if the alternative is Hell... and I'm sure that God would understand that he made it so it was impossible for me to believe in him and forgive me.qetuo6

It is obviously not impossible for you to believe in Him since two billion others already do.

You said it is impossible to believe in God. Two billion people believe in God. Therefore, it is possible to believe in God.

If it is impossible for you yourself to believe in God, then please explain why that is, and explain why that is God's fault.

[QUOTE="qetuo6"]Since I was created to require logic when it comes to things of this caliber, and religion has none, I can't accept it. Religion is a triangle, my mind is a circle. (In case you are wondering, the two shapes don't matter, as long as they are not the same, the metaphor works fine.Dracargen

Religion doesn't use logic? That is your opinion. As Galileo said, "I'm not inclined to believe the same God who blessed us with logic and reason intended us to forgo their use."