Ecuador grants J. Assange asylum despite British threats

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#51 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Of course not, thats my point. The elephant in the room that nobody in the news is talking about is that America and her allies want to shut Assange up because of what he does. BossPerson
Sweden isn't particularly close to the US dude.

Well they are all on the same side. Frankly the entire world wants him silenced, he embarrasses the US. China, Syria, Russia, everyone.

not really apart from Nato, Sweden tends to do its own thing even when it comes to military, its Swedish developed they only were apart of afghanistaan due to Nato commitments at the end of the day.

Sweden isnt particulary close to them, if anything the whole Scandanavian region keep themselves to themselves most of the time.

Sweden wont extradite either, if its stipulated that assange can be given the death penalty cause thats how they tend to roll.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You shouldn't assume. It's stupid.

Don't trust Governments or people in suits we have learnt that many a time. The cracks will start to show in a few years how the government's bullied other governments into doing what they want and countries giving in accept Ecuador that country has morals

Look the dude has been accused of a crime. I see no reason why he shouldn't face his accuser. Period. By your thinking then Hitler and Stalin are the little guys.

His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Don't trust Governments or people in suits we have learnt that many a time. The cracks will start to show in a few years how the government's bullied other governments into doing what they want and countries giving in accept Ecuador that country has morals seahorse123
Look the dude has been accused of a crime. I see no reason why he shouldn't face his accuser. Period. By your thinking then Hitler and Stalin are the little guys.

His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true...

which can be said about every crime ever commited.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Well they are all on the same side. Frankly the entire world wants him silenced, he embarrasses the US. China, Syria, Russia, everyone. seahorse123
Okay. But wouldn't it be easier for a group of mercenaries to be hired...or military commandos sent into to take care of the problem? That would be what governments would do rather than a rape trial in Sweden....no?

That would be to obvious

You wear a tinfoil hat don't you?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Don't trust Governments or people in suits we have learnt that many a time. The cracks will start to show in a few years how the government's bullied other governments into doing what they want and countries giving in accept Ecuador that country has morals seahorse123
Look the dude has been accused of a crime. I see no reason why he shouldn't face his accuser. Period. By your thinking then Hitler and Stalin are the little guys.

His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true...

There must be some sort of evidence though, Sweden wouldnt just want him to hand over to Americans when they have their own dealings with him.

INB4 tin hat comittie.

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Stick up for the little guy for once seahorse123

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Don't trust Governments or people in suits we have learnt that many a time. The cracks will start to show in a few years how the government's bullied other governments into doing what they want and countries giving in accept Ecuador that country has morals

Look the dude has been accused of a crime. I see no reason why he shouldn't face his accuser. Period. By your thinking then Hitler and Stalin are the little guys.

His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true...

That IS how the criminal court system works dude.:lol:
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Look the dude has been accused of a crime. I see no reason why he shouldn't face his accuser. Period. By your thinking then Hitler and Stalin are the little guys.razgriz_101

His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true...

There must be some sort of evidence though, Sweden wouldnt just want him to hand over to Americans when they have their own dealings with him.

INB4 tin hat comittie.

Just a women that said he did
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#59 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"]Stick up for the little guy for once Neoklondiak

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

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[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]Stick up for the little guy for once razgriz_101

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

Maybe it's not true?
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#61 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true... seahorse123

There must be some sort of evidence though, Sweden wouldnt just want him to hand over to Americans when they have their own dealings with him.

INB4 tin hat comittie.

Just a women that said he did

Tends to be how rape cases shake out. Are you implying rape doesn't happen?
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

seahorse123

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

Maybe it's not true?

Which is what a trial is for...though in the US at least....they find guilt or non guilt...not innocence.
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[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"]Stick up for the little guy for once razgriz_101

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

law =/= justice The laws can be unjust, that's why Wikileaks "breaks the law". Even the nazis had laws
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

There must be some sort of evidence though, Sweden wouldnt just want him to hand over to Americans when they have their own dealings with him.

INB4 tin hat comittie.

LJS9502_basic
Just a women that said he did

Tends to be how rape cases shake out. Are you implying rape doesn't happen?

But a women saying he did rape her that's hardly compelling evidence you have to have a witness's ,CCTV that's how normal rapists are proven guilty by evidence second sources
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

seahorse123

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

Maybe it's not true?

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Just a women that said he didseahorse123
Tends to be how rape cases shake out. Are you implying rape doesn't happen?

But a women saying he did rape her that's hardly compelling evidence you have to have a witness's ,CCTV that's how normal rapists are proven guilty by evidence second sources

Swabs, DNA and various other things would have more than likely be taken from where it happened.

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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Just a women that said he did

Tends to be how rape cases shake out. Are you implying rape doesn't happen?

But a women saying he did rape her that's hardly compelling evidence you have to have a witness's ,CCTV that's how normal rapists are proven guilty by evidence second sources

So you are saying the crime of rape doesn't happen? Are you really that dense or do you think rapists perform the crime in public with an audience?
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

razgriz_101

Maybe it's not true?

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

What makes you think the evidence and trial can't be manipulated? he's a high profile political dissident. His chances of proving himself innocent could be pretty slim if the whole system that charges him is against him.
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

razgriz_101

Maybe it's not true?

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

Listen technically his not guilty until proven but you say his guilty because of your opinion far enough I say his not because of my opinions. Also the media make out his some sort of monster that's why your brainwashed into thinking his a psycho think outside the box and look at the evidence
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] His been "accused" for something that may or may not be true... seahorse123

There must be some sort of evidence though, Sweden wouldnt just want him to hand over to Americans when they have their own dealings with him.

INB4 tin hat comittie.

Just a women that said he did

actually its 2 women just saying .

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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Tends to be how rape cases shake out. Are you implying rape doesn't happen?LJS9502_basic
But a women saying he did rape her that's hardly compelling evidence you have to have a witness's ,CCTV that's how normal rapists are proven guilty by evidence second sources

So you are saying the crime of rape doesn't happen? Are you really that dense or do you think rapists perform the crime in public with an audience?

Of course not it happens everyday did I say that?... also you need more evidence like was he around the scene at the time any witness's saw him around?
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] Maybe it's not true?kuraimen

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

What makes you think the evidence and trial can't be manipulated? he's a high profile political dissident. His chances of proving himself innocent could be pretty slim if the whole system that charges him is against him.

So in other words he shouldn't be tried at all? Apparently if you're a high profile political figure you're above the law.

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

It's a shame Assange can't stop his little guy from sticking up sometimes.

seahorse123

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

Maybe it's not true?

Maybe it isn't true. Obviously we don't know. We just think he should be tried like anyone else.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] But a women saying he did rape her that's hardly compelling evidence you have to have a witness's ,CCTV that's how normal rapists are proven guilty by evidence second sources seahorse123
So you are saying the crime of rape doesn't happen? Are you really that dense or do you think rapists perform the crime in public with an audience?

Of course not it happens everyday did I say that?... also you need more evidence like was he around the scene at the time any witness's saw him around?

No witnesses are not required. In any trial.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

Neoklondiak

What makes you think the evidence and trial can't be manipulated? he's a high profile political dissident. His chances of proving himself innocent could be pretty slim if the whole system that charges him is against him.

So in other words he shouldn't be tried at all? Apparently if you're a high profile political figure you're above the law.

Seems to the the thinking of some people here....
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If sweden has reason to suspect him of a serious crime then he should be extradited, he's not above the law. I'm not convinced sweden are just going to hand him over to america, nor do I think ecuador are shielding him out of the goodness of their own hearts. I would not be surprised if they use him as some bargaining chip with the US down the line and hand him over in exchange for something in return. As far as wikileaks go, it's pulled through on some occasions bringing shocking cover-ups to light, something I support their freedom to do. Other times they've stupidly leaked information that nobody needs without a care in the world for the personal safety of those whose privacy they've violated (eg when they leaked a list of names and addresses of BNP members), they need to be held accountable for that.
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

And honestly the mans a hypocrite, he's all for justice, yet at the same time refuses to face justice on charges of a crime he has commited in another country.

Neoklondiak

Maybe it's not true?

Maybe it isn't true. Obviously we don't know. We just think he should be tried like anyone else.

Well who cares if he has a court case his going to be guilty anyway even if he did it or not because the government's want him out of the public eye
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If sweden has reason to suspect him of a serious crime then he should be extradited, he's not above the law. I'm not convinced sweden are just going to hand him over to america, nor do I think ecuador are shielding him out of the goodness of their own hearts. I would not be surprised if they use him as some bargaining chip with the US down the line and hand him over in exchange for something in return. As far as wikileaks go, it's pulled through on some occasions bringing shocking cover-ups to light, something I support their freedom to do. Other times they've stupidly leaked information that nobody needs without a care in the world for the personal safety of those whose privacy they've violated (eg when they leaked a list of names and addresses of BNP members), they need to be held accountable for that.EJ902

Accountable for leaking BNP member addresses? But they are not nice people, I wouldn't hang him for that.

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[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] Maybe it's not true?seahorse123

Maybe it isn't true. Obviously we don't know. We just think he should be tried like anyone else.

Well who cares if he has a court case his going to be guilty anyway even if he did it or not because the government's want him out of the public eye

You're assuming again. This is beyond ridiculous. Sweden is not a close personal friend of the US...so I doubt that has anything to do with Sweden wanting him to answer the charges. You really do wear tinfoil....
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he's going to have to stay in that house an awfully long time as he aint making it to Ecuador id just go in and get him now if it were down to me what is Ecuador going to do throw bananna's at us .

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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

Maybe it isn't true. Obviously we don't know. We just think he should be tried like anyone else.

LJS9502_basic
Well who cares if he has a court case his going to be guilty anyway even if he did it or not because the government's want him out of the public eye

You're assuming again. This is beyond ridiculous. Sweden is not a close personal friend of the US...so I doubt that has anything to do with Sweden wanting him to answer the charges. You really do wear tinfoil....

Tell me what have you got against him accept the false rape allegations?
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he's going to have to stay in that house an awfully long time as he aint making it to Ecuador id just go in and get him now if it were down to me what is Ecuador going to do throw bananna's at us .

snakes_codec
Ummm bananas.....
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Well who cares if he has a court case his going to be guilty anyway even if he did it or not because the government's want him out of the public eyeseahorse123
You're assuming again. This is beyond ridiculous. Sweden is not a close personal friend of the US...so I doubt that has anything to do with Sweden wanting him to answer the charges. You really do wear tinfoil....

Tell me what have you got against him accept the false rape allegations?

Why are you making this personal? Are you personally invested in him? Is he your lover or family member or something? You don't know the allegations are false either. Why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt and not women? Seems very biased to me.....

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he's going to have to stay in that house an awfully long time as he aint making it to Ecuador id just go in and get him now if it were down to me what is Ecuador going to do throw bananna's at us .

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That's a typical bullying nation push around the little countries just to be friends with the even power fuller ones
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[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] It's not been proven yetalso he speaks the truth about the governments and there p*ssed off about it seahorse123

HENCE WHY SWEDEN WANTS TO TRY HIM......

Innocent until proven guilty. Sweden has probably been bullied into making these false allegations just to silence him what have you got against him his trying to prove that the government is worse scum than you think they are

ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You're assuming again. This is beyond ridiculous. Sweden is not a close personal friend of the US...so I doubt that has anything to do with Sweden wanting him to answer the charges. You really do wear tinfoil....

Tell me what have you got against him accept the false rape allegations?

Why are you making this personal? Are you personally invested in him? Is he your lover or family member or something?

Tell me what's so wrong with him accept the fake rape case?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Tell me what have you got against him accept the false rape allegations?seahorse123
Why are you making this personal? Are you personally invested in him? Is he your lover or family member or something?

Tell me what's so wrong with him accept the fake rape case?

Prove it's fake.

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he's going to have to stay in that house an awfully long time as he aint making it to Ecuador id just go in and get him now if it were down to me what is Ecuador going to do throw bananna's at us .

LJS9502_basic
Ummm bananas.....

Yeah... he should stop monkeying around with that kind of dark humor.....
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

HENCE WHY SWEDEN WANTS TO TRY HIM......

marklarmer

Innocent until proven guilty. Sweden has probably been bullied into making these false allegations just to silence him what have you got against him his trying to prove that the government is worse scum than you think they are

ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

These people he finds information about they are not mother Teresa! lol
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Why are you making this personal? Are you personally invested in him? Is he your lover or family member or something?LJS9502_basic
Prove it's fake. Tell me what's so wrong with him accept the fake rape case?

Answer the question... what else has he done wrong...
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"]Prove it's fake. Tell me what's so wrong with him accept the fake rape case?

Answer the question... what else has he done wrong...

Prove it's fake. He's accused of a crime and he should answer for it.
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

HENCE WHY SWEDEN WANTS TO TRY HIM......

marklarmer

Innocent until proven guilty. Sweden has probably been bullied into making these false allegations just to silence him what have you got against him his trying to prove that the government is worse scum than you think they are

ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

Also that sounds a bit like Rupert Murdoch his way worse!
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

HENCE WHY SWEDEN WANTS TO TRY HIM......

marklarmer

Innocent until proven guilty. Sweden has probably been bullied into making these false allegations just to silence him what have you got against him his trying to prove that the government is worse scum than you think they are

ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

There's an ocean of difference between government secret information and individual private information. If we go by the principle of democracy that the government is for the people and by the people then it's the interest of those people that this government be as transparent as possible since then it will be deceiving them. The same doesn't apply to individuals. And if any government is entitled to be secretive and affect others by it then why is the US and Europe supporting Chinese political dissidents if that's how China wants to keep secret?
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]LJS9502_basic
Answer the question... what else has he done wrong...

Prove it's fake. He's accused of a crime and he should answer for it.

Don't you understand the question what else?...
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[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="seahorse123"] Innocent until proven guilty. Sweden has probably been bullied into making these false allegations just to silence him what have you got against him his trying to prove that the government is worse scum than you think they arekuraimen

ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

There's an ocean of difference between government secret information and individual private information. If we go by the principle of democracy that the government is for the people and by the people then it's the interest of those people that this government be as transparent as possible since then it will be deceiving them. The same doesn't apply to individuals. And if any government is entitled to be secretive and affect others by it then why is the US and Europe supporting Chinese political dissidents if that's how China wants to keep secret?

Transparency is naive. Some ways governments operate would be compromised by transparency.
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#97 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Answer the question... what else has he done wrong...seahorse123
Prove it's fake. He's accused of a crime and he should answer for it.

Don't you understand the question what else?...

This thread is about the rape case. Why are you making this about more? And I've asked three times now at least for you to prove your assertion that the charges are false or fake. Either do so...or stop using that word in respect to the charges.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

think bout it and take a step back instead of being an ignoramus.

If you were innocent you'd go and prove your innocence, i honestly think he's hiding something regardless of the tinfoil attitude of this forum and the wider population of the forum.

Neoklondiak

What makes you think the evidence and trial can't be manipulated? he's a high profile political dissident. His chances of proving himself innocent could be pretty slim if the whole system that charges him is against him.

So in other words he shouldn't be tried at all? Apparently if you're a high profile political figure you're above the law.

Considering his situation let the accuser go to Ecuador and send the evidence and try him there. I wouldn't trust the swedish, Uk or american government otherwise.
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Accountable for leaking BNP member addresses? But they are not nice people, I wouldn't hang him for that.

tenaka2
The BNP are bellends no question, but so are some of their most vocal critics, such as the radical left anti-fascist sorts who would probably love to go around firebombing peoples' houses for that. Not everyone who appears on that list is necessarily some hateful racist fascist, some were ex-members who since left the party, some may have been journalists or whatever who joined to investigate it, some may be relatively tame people who bought all the bnp's "we're not racists any more please like us" drivel. Leaking their data accomplished nothing other than putting potentially innocent people in danger. Wikileaks doing that sort of thing often isn't even on the radar of the US govt, they're obviously after assange for leaking all the diplomatic whispers that I'm not opposed to them sharing. What I'm saying is they've been very reckless in how they do their job though, assange doesn't deserve indefinite detention or the death penalty for the relatively minor crime of leaking bnp members' data and similar acts, but he should at least acknowledge his wrongdoing imo and stop pissing away individuals' private data
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]ok then, ive decided you're scum, i'll just hack all your information and publicise everything i find. Happy?

i assume everyone whos supports this guy also supports surveillance used by intelligence agencies around the world on everybody; including phone tapping, internet/email monitoring? they're just trying to find scum too, yet funnily enough they get hated for it (when they don't even make the information they find public) and accused of breaching peoples privacy and rights, yet this guy gets ridiculous praise and support from the public :| why? oh because people are so mindnumbingly childish and anarchistic that they'll support anything which embarrasses governments or politicians, regardless of if it actually does any good or the means which is used to obtain that information, if he got sent to Sweden and was found guilty of rape people are so dumb and single minded they'd probably still desperately support him. he's such a hero :cry:

LJS9502_basic
There's an ocean of difference between government secret information and individual private information. If we go by the principle of democracy that the government is for the people and by the people then it's the interest of those people that this government be as transparent as possible since then it will be deceiving them. The same doesn't apply to individuals. And if any government is entitled to be secretive and affect others by it then why is the US and Europe supporting Chinese political dissidents if that's how China wants to keep secret?

Transparency is naive. Some ways governments operate would be compromised by transparency.

Yeah and maybe how those governments operate is immoral like Wikileaks showed in many instances. What's more important to keep immoral governments operating how they are used to or actually trying to change that?