Flaw in Christian beliefs

But as I stated here in court we neither say that nor use a bible. Thus, his evidence is NOT universal to the government in the entirety. LJS9502_basic

Lies. I just told you of my own experience where the judge said that to me. And actually, he said it numerous times, to all the different people who were having hearings on the same day. Every single person was asked the same, "do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing bu the truth so help you god?"

You are flat out wrong on this one LJ.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But as I stated here in court we neither say that nor use a bible. Thus, his evidence is NOT universal to the government in the entirety. Deity_Slapper

Lies. I just told you of my own experience where the judge said that to me. And actually, he said it numerous times, to all the different people who were having hearings on the same day. Every single person was asked the same, "do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing bu the truth so help you god?"

You are flat out wrong on this one LJ.

He wasn't flat out wrong, but he was flat out wrong, in stating that you were flat out wrong, and that's alot of flat out wrongs in one sentence. And he's still wrong here, just because an example is not universal doesn't mean it should be disregarded like he tried to do with it. The fact of the matter is, there are examples of the government using religion as a tool of fear. I don't believe it is an incredibly large problem, or that it is always detrimental to our society, but it does happen.

EDIT: I haven't been on these forums in probably over a year, but I recall LJ being the same back when I used to frequent here. Its a completely random occurence of boredom that I'm even here today, but if I keep posting here, I can see LJ and I having many more disagreeances to come =P

[QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

Theokhoth

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

I just thought it was relevant, that's all. Why, are you offended?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

edgewalker16

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

I just thought it was relevant, that's all. Why, are you offended?

I don't think he was offended, you just said it "summed up the thread" which it doesn't really, but it is relevant. Just a simple case of confusion.

I think I speak for both parties:

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

Lansdowne5

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

Theokhoth, I have a question for you. Do you consider yourself a homosexual liberal Christian? I've been wondering this for the past few days so I thought I would ask. By the way, I can't believe how many posts you've achieved. :D

Depends on what you mean by "Liberal." Politically I'm a Conservative (I'm just full of surprises, aren't I?), but I guess some of my Biblical interpretations would be considered liberal.

And yeah, I don't go outside.:P:lol:

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

edgewalker16

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

I just thought it was relevant, that's all. Why, are you offended?

I'm not offended; just confused as to how it sums up the topic.

[QUOTE="edgewalker16"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

Theokhoth

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

I just thought it was relevant, that's all. Why, are you offended?

I'm not offended; just confused as to how it sums up the topic.

Heh... I think his justification would be 'and while we're bashing Christianity...'

He wasn't flat out wrong, but he was flat out wrong, in stating that you were flat out wrong, and that's alot of flat out wrongs in one sentence. And he's still wrong here, just because an example is not universal doesn't mean it should be disregarded like he tried to do with it. The fact of the matter is, there are examples of the government using religion as a tool of fear. I don't believe it is an incredibly large problem, or that it is always detrimental to our society, but it does happen.

sutherland19

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="edgewalker16"]

You should all watch this documentary called "Jesus Camp". It's about 90 minutes long and fairly interesting. I tried watching it once and the first 30 minutes kinda creeped me out...I was bored one day and decided to finish it. I'll let you form your own opinions, but I think the documentary sums up this whole thread quite nicely.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=43408

Theokhoth

How in the world does a documentary about a bunch of crazed Bush-worshippers sum up this topic, again?:|

Theokhoth, I have a question for you. Do you consider yourself a homosexual liberal Christian? I've been wondering this for the past few days so I thought I would ask. By the way, I can't believe how many posts you've achieved. :D

Depends on what you mean by "Liberal." Politically I'm a Conservative (I'm just full of surprises, aren't I?), but I guess some of my Biblical interpretations would be considered liberal.

And yeah, I don't go outside.:P:lol:

OK, thanks. :)

[QUOTE="sutherland19"]

He wasn't flat out wrong, but he was flat out wrong, in stating that you were flat out wrong, and that's alot of flat out wrongs in one sentence. And he's still wrong here, just because an example is not universal doesn't mean it should be disregarded like he tried to do with it. The fact of the matter is, there are examples of the government using religion as a tool of fear. I don't believe it is an incredibly large problem, or that it is always detrimental to our society, but it does happen.

LJS9502_basic

Actually, we both answered that. You could go back and look. So I guess playing dumb is your last resort, when you've got nothing left in the tank?

It doesn't matter anyway...I wasn't trying to focus on "government using religion to control the masses". I even said earlier that was just a theory. The main point was, that there is no seperation of church and state, like you said there is. 3 examples of this were already given. Should I re-post them for you? :roll:

AND STILL, you haven't answered: Do you believe god is real? (4th time now)

I'm a believer in the "multiple paths up the mountain" philosophy, so the belief in any theistic deity that adheres to similar morality will warrant a one-way ticket to Happy Land. Being in a Christian community, most people don't agree with my beliefs :?YourOldFriend

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sutherland19"]

He wasn't flat out wrong, but he was flat out wrong, in stating that you were flat out wrong, and that's alot of flat out wrongs in one sentence. And he's still wrong here, just because an example is not universal doesn't mean it should be disregarded like he tried to do with it. The fact of the matter is, there are examples of the government using religion as a tool of fear. I don't believe it is an incredibly large problem, or that it is always detrimental to our society, but it does happen.

Deity_Slapper

Actually, we both answered that. You could go back and look. So I guess playing dumb is your last resort, when you've got nothing left in the tank?

It doesn't matter anyway...I wasn't trying to focus on "government using religion to control the masses". I even said earlier that was just a theory. The main point was, that there is no seperation of church and state, like you said there is. 3 examples of this were already given. Should I re-post them for you? :roll:

AND STILL, you haven't answered: Do you believe god is real? (4th time now)

Deity, I think he is agnostic but is more inclined to believe in God than not. Not entirely sure though.

Actually, we both answered that. You could go back and look. So I guess playing dumb is your last resort, when you've got nothing left in the tank?

It doesn't matter anyway...I wasn't trying to focus on "government using religion to control the masses". I even said earlier that was just a theory. The main point was, that there is no seperation of church and state, like you said there is. 3 examples of this were already given. Should I re-post them for you? :roll:

AND STILL, you haven't answered: Do you believe god is real? (4th time now)

Deity_Slapper

Ah...you can't provide the back up to your statement so you're trying to wiggle out. Your second paragraph is inconsistent with your first.....though I doubt you see that.

This topic isn't about my belief in God....for the 4th time now....and really none of your business dude.;)

Deity, I think he is agnostic but is more inclined to believe in God than not. Not entirely sure though.

Lansdowne5

No you didn't. Neither of you answered how the government uses religion to promote fear. NOWHERE in this thread did you put any satisfactory corroberation of that statement.

LJS9502_basic

Actually, we both mentioned how using the "so help you god" liner in court, reminds people that they are being watched by god (if they believe in him), and so they wouldn't want to lie in his presence. It's a way they government can get you to be submissive, and spill all the beans. They play on your fear of god to control your approach in a court case, and even to convince you that if you had thought about lying, that maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea (because obviously, god could punish you a lot harder than any puny humans ever could). Of course, it doesn't work on people who don't believe in god, but the point was made. More than once. We both said that. You're purposely ignoring it, for some reason...how peculiar...

This topic isn't about my belief in God....for the 4th time now....and really none of your business dude.;)

LJS9502_basic

I just want you to say that you believe god is real. Because you DO believe god is real, but for some reason, you just can't say it...which again, is peculiar...you sure are a strange one, LJ. ;)

Deity, I think he is agnostic but is more inclined to believe in God than not. Not entirely sure though.

Lansdowne5

That's likely. I was thinking the same at one point. He seems to be very "atheistic" in some ways. I think he's a perfect example of people who believe in god only because of fear of what would happen if he DIDN'T believe. Some people just can't overcome that, no matter how liberal they are. ;)

But I gotta say, I love it when you guys call me "Deity"...it's so cool. :lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No you didn't. Neither of you answered how the government uses religion to promote fear. NOWHERE in this thread did you put any satisfactory corroberation of that statement.

Deity_Slapper

Actually, we both mentioned how using the "so help you god" liner in court, reminds people that they are being watched by god (if they believe in him), and so they wouldn't want to lie in his presence. It's a way they government can get you to be submissive, and spill all the beans. They play on your fear of god to control your approach in a court case, and even to convince you that if you had thought about lying, that maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea (because obviously, god could punish you a lot harder than any puny humans ever could). Of course, it doesn't work on people who don't believe in god, but the point was made. More than once. We both said that. You're purposely ignoring it, for some reason...how peculiar...

This topic isn't about my belief in God....for the 4th time now....and really none of your business dude.;)

LJS9502_basic

I just want you to say that you believe god is real. Because you DO believe god is real, but for some reason, you just can't say it...which again, is peculiar...you sure are a strange one, LJ. ;)

No...you erroneously believe that if one states a belief you can say they stated it as fact. Which is not the case...and I'll not give you the mistaken satisfaction.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Deity, I think he is agnostic but is more inclined to believe in God than not. Not entirely sure though.

Deity_Slapper

That's likely. I was thinking the same at one point. He seems to be very "atheistic" in some ways. I think he's a perfect example of people who believe in god only because of fear of what would happen if he DIDN'T believe. Some people just can't overcome that, no matter how liberal they are. ;)

But I gotta say, I love it when you guys call me "Deity"...it's so cool. :lol:

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

And again LJ, YOU WERE WRONG about seperation of church and state being existent in our country. Why you keep dodging this point, I may never know...Deity_Slapper

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]LJS9502_basic

Ooh. I didn't delete fast enough. :P

I've already told you that line isn't said throughout the country in court so it's not part of this grand US government scheme to scare you.;)LJS9502_basic

You didn't say it like that earlier. You just said that it doesn't happen. It was a blanket statement. Now you're backing off of that statement after the revelation that it is still said to this day, in many courts across the country. I'm sure it all comes down to regional politics, whether or not a certain state or county will still say "so help you god" or not, or use the bible as a tool of fear, or not.

Bottom line is - it shows clear INTEGRATION of church and state, when you said there is none; and it also shows the possibility being true that some courts will use your fear of god against you, to basically force you to be brutally honest.

No...you erroneously believe that if one states a belief you can say they stated it as fact. LJS9502_basic

If someone believes in something, they obviously think it's a fact. :roll:

Or are you saying that you believe in god, yet it's not a fact that he exists? If that's the case, why believe at all?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I've already told you that line isn't said throughout the country in court so it's not part of this grand US government scheme to scare you.;)Deity_Slapper

You didn't say it like that earlier. You just said that it doesn't happen. It was a blanket statement. Now you're backing off of that statement after the revelation that it is still said to this day, in many courts across the country. I'm sure it all comes down to regional politics, whether or not a certain state or county will still say "so help you god" or not, or use the bible as a tool of fear, or not.

Bottom line is - it shows clear INTEGRATION of church and state, when you said there is none; and it also shows the possibility being true that some courts will use your fear of god against you, to basically force you to be brutally honest.

No...you erroneously believe that if one states a belief you can say they stated it as fact. LJS9502_basic

If someone believes in something, they obviously think it's a fact. :roll:

Or are you saying that you believe in god, yet it's not a fact that he exists? If that's the case, why believe at all?

No it doesn'tintegrate. In fact govenrment goes out of it's way with silly rules that affect the individual to keep this separation. You continue to misinterprete.

See...the major problem with talking with you...as I correctly surmised...is you can't think outside the box. Factually, we can neither prove nor disprove God. That does not mean one can't believe while knowing the limits of science. You seem unaware of this fact.:|

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

How ironic...the misinterperetation is on your end. You obviously didn't pick up the words, "likely", and the segment, "at one point". That indicates that I've changed my position since then. The post was merely a recollection of past days.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Funky_Llama

Ooh. I didn't delete fast enough. :P

What did you say Funky... :?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

Deity_Slapper

How ironic...the misinterperetation is on your end. You obviously didn't pick up the words, "likely", and the segment, "at one point". That indicates that I've changed my position since then. The post was merely a recollection of past days.

Wonderful...you changed your opinion on "something" you were wrong about. Yay....but that has nothing to do with your response to the above post of mine.

Wrong...go back and read. I initially said...it doesn't happen here so it's not universal. What confused you about that line? LJS9502_basic

What's confusing about it, is the vagueness that you show once again.

By "here", do you mean America (cause you'd be wrong), or do you mean Pittsburgh? Am I just supposed to guess what you're referring to? :?

See...the major problem with talking with you...as I correctly surmised...is you can't think outside the box. LJS9502_basic

What box...

Factually, we can neither prove nor disprove God. That does not mean one can't believe while knowing the limits of science. You seem unaware of this fact.:|

LJS9502_basic

So you're saying that even though you believe in god, it's possible that he may not exist, thus your beliefs are founded purely upon wishful thinking?

What's confusing about it, is the vagueness that you show once again.

By "here", do you mean America (cause you'd be wrong), or do you mean Pittsburgh? Am I just supposed to guess what you're referring to? :?

What box...

So you're saying that even though you believe in god, it's possible that he may not exist, thus your beliefs are founded purely upon wishful thinking?

Deity_Slapper

You can't conceive of other ideas.

That's not the same as evidence for existence and I'm not going down the path with you. If you can't see the difference I can't help it. I'm done discussing it with you. It's the same thing over and over. I get it....you don't understand the difference between proof and belief. We'll leave it like that.:roll:

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

How ironic...the misinterperetation is on your end. You obviously didn't pick up the words, "likely", and the segment, "at one point". That indicates that I've changed my position since then. The post was merely a recollection of past days.

Wonderful...you changed your opinion on "something" you were wrong about. Yay....but that has nothing to do with your response to the above post of mine.

Oh LJ... :roll:

Here it is, in plain English...you said:

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

^^^ This post was in response to this one:

That's likely. I was thinking the same at one point. He seems to be very "atheistic" in some ways. I think he's a perfect example of people who believe in god only because of fear of what would happen if he DIDN'T believe. Some people just can't overcome that, no matter how liberal they are. ;)

Deity_Slapper

Notice how I said it was "likely", and how I thought the same AT ONE POINT. Obviously, I DO NOT think that you might be agnostic anymore, so to say that I misinterpereted what I've read from you would be inaccurate. I'm aware that you are a christian, or at least that you claim to be one.

I do however, still think that you might be believing out of fear...whether or not you'll agree with that, is not really any matter to me at this point.

It was quite clear in the initial post since I responded to your post. LJS9502_basic

No it wasn't clear. All you said was "we don't do that here". "Here" could mean your hometown, it could mean your country, it could mean gamespot! :? You're always vague like that. And many would agree with me. Period.

thus you were wrong... LJS9502_basic

I'm wrong cause you said so?

You can't conceive of other ideas. LJS9502_basic

Can you prove that? No... :roll:

And yes, I can conceive of many things...my imagination is more wild than most. What's the point?

That's not the same as evidence for existence and I'm not going down the path with you. LJS9502_basic

I wonder why...probably because you have no good reason, or you don't want to face an uncomfortable situation, where you might actually have to put some emotion on display for once (awww... :cry: ).

If you can't see the difference I can't help it. I'm done discussing it with you. It's the same thing over and over. I get it....you don't understand the difference between proof and belief. We'll leave it like that.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

Well isn't that convenient. I guess you win because...you said so. As usual. :roll:

Off to work.....I'll not be responding. Same thing over and over anyway.LJS9502_basic

It's starting to get to you, huh LJ? You don't like it when someone challenges you, and you don't have a good answer for the questions posed? Then you point fingers and act like it's your challenger who "just doesn't get it"? I see...common backpeddler tactics...

I'd like to think that God doesn't care about what you believe or whether or not you know about him, as long as you are a good person and what not...

But that's a pretty optimistic outlook on this issue.

This isn't an easy question to answer it's not too straightforwards,however most say you are forgiven for not knowing,family circumstances and the way your brought up ect.

Does that contradict believing,praying,worshipping gd/jesus?Not really,gd chooses who to save and have mercy,it's all part of his plan,we don't fully understand it as we're not gd but everything happens for a reason.

It's when one knows gd and has read/learn the bible ect and yet chooses not to believe is when the punishment comes into play,when you abuse your free-will.

HOWEVER this is assumptions and speculations for the most part based off vague verses in say romans which goes into this topic,it doesnt actually say thoes who don't believe gd/jesus will be ok it really just says not believing has punishment when you i know it exists,sin/gd ect

I'd like to think that God doesn't care about what you believe or whether or not you know about him, as long as you are a good person and what not...

But that's a pretty optimistic outlook on this issue.

the-very-best

To sum up the enite bible what gd wants above all is too be believed,so you got that grossly wrong.

This isn't an easy question to answer it's not too straightforwards,however most say you are forgiven for not knowing,family circumstances and the way your brought up ect.

Does that contradict believing,praying,worshipping gd/jesus?Not really,gd chooses who to save and have mercy,it's all part of his plan,we don't fully understand it as we're not gd but everything happens for a reason.

It's when one knows gd and has read/learn the bible ect and yet chooses not to believe is when the punishment comes into play,when you abuse your free-will.

HOWEVER this is assumptions and speculations for the most part based off vague verses in say romans which goes into this topic,it doesnt actually say thoes who don't believe gd/jesus will be ok it really just says not believing has punishment when you i know it exists,sin/gd ect

blacktorn

Exactly right blacktorn. Cool post! :D

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

Deity_Slapper

How ironic...the misinterperetation is on your end. You obviously didn't pick up the words, "likely", and the segment, "at one point". That indicates that I've changed my position since then. The post was merely a recollection of past days.

You implied I had faith due to fear. That is blatantly incorrect. Stop assuming for others. It's pure arrogance to tell someone what they feel. I did not misinterprete my own beliefs.

Wonderful...you changed your opinion on "something" you were wrong about. Yay....but that has nothing to do with your response to the above post of mine.

Oh LJ... :roll:

Here it is, in plain English...you said:

As usual you misinterprete what you read.:lol: I'm not agnostic....and I don't believe due to fear.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

^^^ This post was in response to this one:

That's likely. I was thinking the same at one point. He seems to be very "atheistic" in some ways. I think he's a perfect example of people who believe in god only because of fear of what would happen if he DIDN'T believe. Some people just can't overcome that, no matter how liberal they are. ;)

Deity_Slapper

Actually you left out the post/context. I said you misinterprete what you've read in regard to my beliefs. Thus, taking the conversation.....putting it backwards and leaving out the context does not mean you made any points.

Notice how I said it was "likely", and how I thought the same AT ONE POINT. Obviously, I DO NOT think that you might be agnostic anymore, so to say that I misinterpereted what I've read from you would be inaccurate. I'm aware that you are a christian, or at least that you claim to be one.

I do however, still think that you might be believing out of fear...whether or not you'll agree with that, is not really any matter to me at this point.

Arrogance.

Read Romans Ch. 1.

Anyway, the main reason Atheists don't believe in God is that they don't like to place fath in anything, even though they place a lot of faith in science, which is always changing. Kind of ironic. ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It was quite clear in the initial post since I responded to your post. Deity_Slapper

No it wasn't clear. All you said was "we don't do that here". "Here" could mean your hometown, it could mean your country, it could mean gamespot! :? You're always vague like that. And many would agree with me. Period.

Many? There are many people in the world that miss context, comprehension etc. And this means what?

thus you were wrong... LJS9502_basic

I'm wrong cause you said so?

No...because your point was refuted makes your wrong.

You can't conceive of other ideas. LJS9502_basic

Can you prove that? No... :roll:

And yes, I can conceive of many things...my imagination is more wild than most. What's the point?

Read your responses to people. You can't concieve of any point of view but yours.

That's not the same as evidence for existence and I'm not going down the path with you. LJS9502_basic

I wonder why...probably because you have no good reason, or you don't want to face an uncomfortable situation, where you might actually have to put some emotion on display for once (awww... :cry: ).

Because I've successfully responded to it...you don't get it.

If you can't see the difference I can't help it. I'm done discussing it with you. It's the same thing over and over. I get it....you don't understand the difference between proof and belief. We'll leave it like that.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

Well isn't that convenient. I guess you win because...you said so. As usual. :roll:

You think you win because you keep repeating the same thing over and over?

Off to work.....I'll not be responding. Same thing over and over anyway.LJS9502_basic

It's starting to get to you, huh LJ? You don't like it when someone challenges you, and you don't have a good answer for the questions posed? Then you point fingers and act like it's your challenger who "just doesn't get it"? I see...common backpeddler tactics...

Nope. You never get to me. I happen to have a job. They tend to not keep you when you don't show up for work. Besides...you have presented the same tired argument in the two posts I missed and to which I've already responded. You want me to respond....read the thread over. You've asked the exact same question.

I can honestly say I've never considered myself challenged by you DS. Ad hominem attacks again. Original.:roll:

I can honestly say I've never considered myself challenged by you DS.

LJS9502_basic

Hmm... I consider DS to be at least your equal.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I can honestly say I've never considered myself challenged by you DS.

Funky_Llama

Hmm... I consider DS to be at least your equal.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I can honestly say I've never considered myself challenged by you DS.

LJS9502_basic

Hmm... I consider DS to be at least your equal.

:roll: Your posts are so vague that you can't blame him when he gets the wrong idea. And trying to get you to clarify is like playing cat and mouse.

Read Romans Ch. 1.

Anyway, the main reason Atheists don't believe in God is that they don't like to place fath in anything, even though they place a lot of faith in science, which is always changing. Kind of ironic. ;)

battlefront23

from what I can see. Many Christian-Bashers do so because either:

a) they have had some kind of negative experience with Christians.

b) Their own behavior and/or beliefs disqualify them from salvation and that somehow "angers" them.

c) They have little understanding of Christianity or spirituality.

Any combination of the above.

Just my opinion.

:roll: Your posts are so vague that you can't blame him when he gets the wrong idea. And trying to get you to clarify is like playing cat and mouse.

Funky_Llama

I've had many a good debate here and no one except for those ill equipped to respond to me have called my posts vague.

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:roll: Your posts are so vague that you can't blame him when he gets the wrong idea. And trying to get you to clarify is like playing cat and mouse.

LJS9502_basic

I've had many a good debate here and no one except for those ill equipped to respond to me have called my posts vague.

You avoid any questions. You can't reasonably refuse to state whether you believe in God while in a religious debate thread. In answer to the obvious question of "DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS REAL?", for example, you replied: "So what I'm getting from this argument of yours is that you don't understand the difference between belief and fact." Why are you so determined to not admit theism? Do you actually even believe in God?

Oh, and your last point is flawed; it's an appeal to motive.

You know what really grind's my gear's?

CoreoVII

Horrible grammar?

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You know what really grind's my gear's?

Funky_Llama

Horrible grammar?

It was the government! The government did it!