Well, most muslims try to hide the fact of his marraige because its embarrassing to them. BossPersonits sad you speak for the Muslims here in offtopic, really sad indeed.
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Well, most muslims try to hide the fact of his marraige because its embarrassing to them. BossPersonits sad you speak for the Muslims here in offtopic, really sad indeed.
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
i doubt that, but considering the mongol/horse relationship it may have happened during some of the latter marches.
TehFuneral
Im sure I read it somewhere back in school, but im not a history major nor was I intrested much in Mongols very much.
But in terms of war tactics it was astonishing, even the Arabs with their Arabian horses have never done it.
an army of 100% horse archers is kinda hard to match.
Not a good idea. Government and religion should NEVER mix.LJS9502_basicI disagree. For instance, the Decalogue was an inspiration for the United States government during its early years when the founders needed to construct an ethical foundation for their new country.
It is okay.sorry, trying to follow all the posts while playing battlefield at the same time....
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]Well, most muslims try to hide the fact of his marraige because its embarrassing to them. Anyways, as atheists there is enough to debunk and attack about Islam other than the marraige practices of ancient arabia. BossPersonThrowing away such an effective tool against Islam is unwise.It's not an attack on Islam, more of an attack of the source of it. It's a fair point to say "should we be listening to a bunch of people who thought it was okay to have sex with children?," but that is not what I see most atheists do. I always thought that was inferred. I do kind of wonder why more people don't look at Muhammad and say "Well this guy isn't what he claimed to be, maybe his claims aren't entirely true?". I mean it's not like he was preaching really radically new ideas and the guys morals aren't exactly the sort of thing we'd like to follow in this day and age. Maybe it's time for a new guy to follow.
[QUOTE="TehFuneral"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"]
Is this Muhammad?
jesuschristmonk
No it was not.
Huh. Same color right?Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not a good idea. Government and religion should NEVER mix.BranKetraI disagree. For instance, the Decalogue was an inspiration for the United States government during its early years when the founders needed to construct an ethical foundation for their new country. [. Yet the founders made sure the government was not involved in the religion of the people. A better idea. But hey if you want government mandated faith....there's plenty of countries in the ME to choose from....
Huh. Same color right?[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
No it was not.
TehFuneral
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble.Huh. Same color right?[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
No it was not.
TehFuneral
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
Ah ok. Maybe this guy's his descendant lol.[QUOTE="TehFuneral"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] Huh. Same color right?LJS9502_basic
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble. we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did.[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not a good idea. Government and religion should NEVER mix.LJS9502_basicI disagree. For instance, the Decalogue was an inspiration for the United States government during its early years when the founders needed to construct an ethical foundation for their new country. [. Yet the founders made sure the government was not involved in the religion of the people. A better idea. But hey if you want government mandated faith....there's plenty of countries in the ME to choose from....
More accurately they made sure government didn't interfere with religion.
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble. we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did. No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="TehFuneral"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] Huh. Same color right?LJS9502_basic
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble.You can describe him though.
Also, many of his relics still remain.
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble. we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did. We didn't make any mistakes in that regard. If you want tolerance for your religion.....learn to practice it with others. Hypocrite.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
GrayF0X786
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble. we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did. But...there IS pictures of him dating from the time period he was alive. As far as I know the same isn't true of Jesus.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did. No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him. omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble.ghoklebutter
Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble. we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to maake the same mistake you christians did.Meh, I'd give it 20 years before there are actors portraying him. They already have actors portraying Omar and Abu Bakr. There is Islamic art as well that showed his face, nobody cared.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]
Nope, Muhammad had a light skin.
GrayF0X786
We are trying to advance and uplift humanity into a new age...ZevianderMakes me wish Star Trek were real. :(
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to maake the same mistake you christians did.Meh, I'd give it 20 years before there are actors portraying him. They already have actors portraying Omar and Abu Bakr. There is Islamic art as well that showed his face, nobody cared. give it 1400 years, oh wait a minute.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble.BossPerson
Meh, I'd give it 20 years before there are actors portraying him. They already have actors portraying Omar and Abu Bakr. There is Islamic art as well that showed his face, nobody cared. give it 1400 years, oh wait a minute.you obviously didnt read the part where I said there were artistic portrayals of him.[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to maake the same mistake you christians did.
GrayF0X786
No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him. omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator. What about the mosque built around his tomb.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did.
GrayF0X786
No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him. omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator. I can say I know one reason would be so people aren't going, "He had black skin, not light skin." "No. He was actually pale." And all that bullcrap.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]we never had pictures of him because we didn't want to make the same mistake you christians did. No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Er how do you know that? Never were any pictures of him since you know....that can get someone in serious trouble.ghoklebutter
Tbh it was more of honoring his request.
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator. What about the mosque built around his tomb. that was for respect, the same happened for some of his companions and wifes, even up until the death of Salladin.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him. Ace6301
From what did you convert? And how did you consciously choose to adhere to the tenets of such a morally-backward, woman-hating, equality-denying faith?[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]What a coinsidence that this thread is made a day after my conversion to Islam.Neoklondiak
Well there's this hot Iranian girl...
If you know what I mean.
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator. I can say I know one reason would be so people aren't going, "He had black skin, not light skin." "No. He was actually pale." And all that bullcrap. reminds me of Black Jesus in Africa. good lord.[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] No, seeing a picture of Muhammad is not going to make you worship him. jesuschristmonk
[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]
[QUOTE="Zeviander"] From what did you convert? And how did you consciously choose to adhere to the tenets of such a morally-backward, woman-hating, equality-denying faith? Communist_Soul
Well there's this hot Iranian girl...
If you know what I mean.
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]
[QUOTE="Zeviander"] From what did you convert? And how did you consciously choose to adhere to the tenets of such a morally-backward, woman-hating, equality-denying faith? Communist_Soul
Well there's this hot Iranian girl...
If you know what I mean.
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
Muslims are able to marry Christians and Jews, no?If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
Communist_Soul
It does actually for Christians and Jews.
[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]
Well there's this hot Iranian girl...
If you know what I mean.
Ravensmash
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
Muslims are able to marry Christians and Jews, no? yeah but alot of Muslim women will make you convert if you want to win their heart :P[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]
Well there's this hot Iranian girl...
If you know what I mean.
BossPerson
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
What about the mosque built around his tomb. that was for respect, the same happened for some of his companions and wifes, even up until the death of Salladin. Sounds like their attempt to ensure places of worship only focused on the scripture kind of failed in that case.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]that was for respect, the same happened for some of his companions and wifes, even up until the death of Salladin. Sounds like their attempt to ensure places of worship only focused on the scripture kind of failed in that case. the people are never perfect.[QUOTE="Ace6301"] What about the mosque built around his tomb. Ace6301
I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
Communist_Soul
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women.I can say I know one reason would be so people aren't going, "He had black skin, not light skin." "No. He was actually pale." And all that bullcrap. reminds me of Black Jesus in Africa. good lord. Exactly what I was pointing at. Not like I give two sh!ts about what color Jesus was anyway, ain't going to make me believe in all of it lol.[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] omg lol, what a dull way to put it, the reasons we don't have pictures is so we ONLY remember the teachings of Muhammad and nothing else, if you look inside mosques, their are no pictures at all, its so we are not distracted by creation, only stay in tune with our creator.
GrayF0X786
I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
If only Islam allowed inter-faith relationships.
Communist_Soul
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
Yea, I believe thats correct.[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .LJS9502_basic
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women. its because the women regardless of her faith would generaly follow the husband you fvcktard, its 3am here dont start this sh!t.[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .BossPerson
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
Yea, I believe thats correct.Quite, unfortunate it was set up like that.
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women. its because the women regardless of her faith would generaly follow the husband you fvcktard, its 3am here dont start this sh!t. You're the f*cktard. Not all women are easily swayed...and some men are. But thanks for proving the point that your religion thinks men are superior.;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .LJS9502_basic
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women.Its done because men are seen as figures of authority which would make the couple's children religion either Christianity or Jewish instead of Islam.
Imo I don't see it as "elevating men over women".
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women. its because the women regardless of her faith would generaly follow the husband you fvcktard, its 3am here dont start this sh!t.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
GrayF0X786
Generalizations, not cool bro.
Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]
From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.
TehFuneral
Its done because men are seen as figures of authority which would make the couple's children religion either Christianity or Jewish instead of Islam.
Imo I don't see it as "elevating men over women".
You don't see being a figure of authority as being elevated?[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]its because the women regardless of her faith would generaly follow the husband you fvcktard, its 3am here dont start this sh!t. Not all women are easily swayed...and some men are. agreed.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women.LJS9502_basic
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