Global call for Islam across the world

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] hey look its the emo guy who said he will command legions of devils in hell, top commander you are bro.Zeviander

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you can thank the mongols for that one.

frannkzappa

the mongols had a very loose religion which they never imposed on anyone, and allowed all conquered states to retain their religions.

in fact the mongols are considered one of the the most religiously tolerant group in history. oh and this golden age of Islamic learning was also brought about by mongol rule, in fact the Renaissance was caused by the mongols too.

i could list forever the contributions of the mongols, they are a people to be respected.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]I believe Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" meaning followers of abrahamic religions .LJS9502_basic

From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.

I guess I always comment on threads too late :/

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

From what I read in the Koran male Muslims are allowed to marry "people of the book" females; while it's forbidden for Muslim females to marry outside the faith.

Nayef_shroof

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Figures. The religion does tend to elevate the men over the women.ghoklebutter

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] No...The reason why it isn't allowed for muslim women to marry non-muslim men is due to the fact that, in patriarchal societies, men generally choose what religion children would adhere to, not women

Nayef_shroof

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

Well, yes. But it's only discouraged for men; for women, it's forbidden no matter what. That inequality is wholly unjustified unless you think that it's okay because Allah says so.

you don't want me.

i would just read all your holy books and text books about the religion and historical examinations of the sources and then pick it apart for the stupid shyt it is like i did with christianity.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

ghoklebutter

Well, yes. But it's only discouraged for men; for women, it's forbidden no matter what. That inequality is wholly unjustified unless you think that it's okay because Allah says so.

you don't want me.

i would just read all your holy books and text books about the religion and historical examinations of the sources and then pick it apart for the stupid shyt it is like i did with christianity.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Well, in most Muslim societies, it is discouraged for Muslims to marry non-muslims anyways, regardless of gender. Anyways, a substantial amount of men convert to Islam to be with Muslim women too, so it isn't unfair at all IMO.Nayef_shroof

Well, yes. But it's only discouraged for men; for women, it's forbidden no matter what. That inequality is wholly unjustified unless you think that it's okay because Allah says so.

Why can't you have a marriage that doesn't involve subjugation? And why are you assuming that non-Muslim men will necessarily subjugate their Muslim wives? Surely if some loving Jewish or Christian husband respects his Muslim wife as his coequal, there is no danger of subjugation. Not all of them believe in patriarchal marriage.

And in any case, where is the evidence that this is the reason for that ruling?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Well, yes. But it's only discouraged for men; for women, it's forbidden no matter what. That inequality is wholly unjustified unless you think that it's okay because Allah says so.

ghoklebutter

Why can't you have a marriage that doesn't involve subjugation? And why are you assuming that non-Muslim men will necessarily subjugate their Muslim wives? Surely if some loving Jewish or Christian husband respects his Muslim wife as his coequal, there is no danger of subjugation. Not all of them believe in patriarchal marriage.

And in any case, where is the evidence that this is the reason for that ruling?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] No, it's to ensure they aren't subjugated by non-muslim men and denied the practice of Islam within their households Nayef_shroof

Why can't you have a marriage that doesn't involve subjugation? And why are you assuming that non-Muslim men will necessarily subjugate their Muslim wives? Surely if some loving Jewish or Christian husband respects his Muslim wife as his coequal, there is no danger of subjugation. Not all of them believe in patriarchal marriage.

And in any case, where is the evidence that this is the reason for that ruling?

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

Seems like islam doesn't support the free market from what i can tell. It allows for government intervention into the economy for reasons other than to protect private property. That is immoral and it should not be supported and accepted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRCcfETaKM

what does off topic think?

Muslims across the world want Shariah Law implemented while having all current goverments in the muslim world replaced because of corruption

1 flag

1 land

1 ummah

1 brotherhood

what is the Caliphate?

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Why can't you have a marriage that doesn't involve subjugation? And why are you assuming that non-Muslim men will necessarily subjugate their Muslim wives? Surely if some loving Jewish or Christian husband respects his Muslim wife as his coequal, there is no danger of subjugation. Not all of them believe in patriarchal marriage.

And in any case, where is the evidence that this is the reason for that ruling?

ghoklebutter

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Why can't you have a marriage that doesn't involve subjugation? And why are you assuming that non-Muslim men will necessarily subjugate their Muslim wives? Surely if some loving Jewish or Christian husband respects his Muslim wife as his coequal, there is no danger of subjugation. Not all of them believe in patriarchal marriage.

And in any case, where is the evidence that this is the reason for that ruling?

ghoklebutter

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

you don't want me.

i would just read all your holy books and text books about the religion and historical examinations of the sources and then pick it apart for the stupid shyt it is like i did with christianity.

Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Unfortunately, misogyny and sexism were rampant in most Non-muslim patriarchal societies (Denying women their basic/inherent rights such as the right to own property, to obtain an education, etc.; Rights that Islam gave to women). I heard this reasoning from my parents/relatives, but that's irrelevant.Nayef_shroof

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

I understand that religious innovation (bid'ah, if I recall correctly) in Islam is forbidden for the most part. But still, if Islam allows Muslim men to marry Jewish women and Christian women and prohibits Muslim women from marrying outside of her faith, then isn't that unfair? Don't you agree that it's better if men and women have equal freedom in choosing spouses?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Unfortunately, misogyny and sexism were rampant in most Non-muslim patriarchal societies (Denying women their basic/inherent rights such as the right to own property, to obtain an education, etc.; Rights that Islam gave to women). I heard this reasoning from my parents/relatives, but that's irrelevant.helwa1988

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

ghoklebutter

I understand that religious innovation (bid'ah, if I recall correctly) in Islam is forbidden for the most part. But still, if Islam allows Muslim men to marry Jewish women and Christian women and prohibits Muslim women from marrying outside of her faith, then isn't that unfair? Don't you agree that it's better if men and women have equal freedom in choosing spouses?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] No...The reason why it isn't allowed for muslim women to marry non-muslim men is due to the fact that, in patriarchal societies, men generally choose what religion children would adhere to, not women

Nayef_shroof

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

Discouraged? Did you happen to hear about those two young girls from Texas who decided they wanted to date non-Muslim boys?

Their dead now.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

cslayer211

Discouraged? Did you happen to hear about those two young girls from Texas who decided they wanted to date non-Muslim boys?

Their dead now.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

You don't see a problem with men having more freedom than women just because of their sex?

cslayer211

Discouraged? Did you happen to hear about those two young girls from Texas who decided they wanted to date non-Muslim boys?

Their dead now.

Exactly why I stated you're ignorant about Islam...Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Even if that mentality was advocated, Islam couldn't be reformed. One of its central tenets is that the Quran and Islam are inerrant. Also, it was mainly the late 19th century till present in which women were granted most of the same privileges as men. Nayef_shroof

I understand that religious innovation (bid'ah, if I recall correctly) in Islam is forbidden for the most part. But still, if Islam allows Muslim men to marry Jewish women and Christian women and prohibits Muslim women from marrying outside of her faith, then isn't that unfair? Don't you agree that it's better if men and women have equal freedom in choosing spouses?

What is the reason? I mean, if I saw some ruling that seemed unfair to me, I'd at least want to know why it's in place. I, for one, don't see a reason to prohibit women from marrying outside of their religion. It's not like all non-Muslim men are terrible misogynists who are incapable of loving and respecting their wives.

[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

All right, you agree that marriage should be egalitarian. So why are you following a religion that explicitly exhorts wives to submit to their husbands almost all the time?

Also, women have gained many more rights over time, as you know. Don't you think that wives no longer need to be protected from patriarchal husbands since women have more power now? Why not change the rule and allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? There are still a lot of misogynists out there, but society has become at least a little more enlightened, so a rule change is in order, no?

ghoklebutter

Global call for Islam across the worldGrayF0X786

i grew up in a practicing Muslim home. there is nothing in islam that prohibits muslim women from being educated and achieving success. in islam is actually says if someone has a daughter, educates her well and marry her to a good man the parents will get jannah (heaven). there is no such text for men though. islam also says the best of men or those who treat their wives with kindness. even though my parents are religious than me. my father never prevented me from doing what i wanted to do. never laid a hand on my mom. my mom was a working mother. wore hijab and everything. this is the thing that most people don't get. there is nothing in islam that prevents women from being educated. now there are some extremist who like to think islam is only for men. just like groups like mormons like to think that. but that is not what islam is about. islam gave women rights like divorce before other countries and cultures did.helwa1988

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Exactly why I stated you're ignorant about Islam...Zeviander

the bible is full of misogynoy,homophobia and other crazy stuff. but most Christians unless they are fundamentalist do those things. likewise with muslims. majority of muslims are not like. you only hear about the bad stuff because the media only reports the bad things about muslims. the media doesn't report when a muslim woman becomes a doctor or lawyer. they don't report on the happy marriages muslim couples have.helwa1988

if it bleeds it leads as the saying goes.

as for Grayfox, i'm almost convinced he's some kind of troll. only the most fundamentalist type of people think/want a caliphate, and everyone seems to think they'll be that Caliph (coincedence?...i think not). Hell... we backbite each others nations all the time, you think religion alone is gonna overcome that? I still lol whenever Saudi government says that 100% of it's citizenry is Muslim. there is no such thing as absolutes with populations,I do believe however it's overwhelmingly Muslim yeah. but it ignores anyone who may have a different belief/disbelief, and acts like they don't exist.

I understand that there are different ways of doing Shariah law, just as there is with all legal systems. but that law system applies only to Muslim, and even the tradition itself came about after Prophet Muhammed and the 4 caliphs later. the legal system is archaic and is trying to apply laws from Quran and Hadiths as well as from various fatwas (whenever it suits their needs). thing is we don't live in the year 600 AD anymore. so my response to enforcing Shariah on the world is...

I still vouch for secular law (even though that would count me as a kafir - a word i despise and hate - by the Saudi ulema) for everyone, and very small pirvate limited religious courts for family law - which would also require they be VOLUNTARY by the believers who want that. but that's it. that is the very farthest i'm personally willing to go.

Also as for not showing Prophet Muhammed's face, South Park did it already with their Super Best Friends gag. they did that skit before. Also historically there are pictures of Muhammed showing his face. examples:

[spoiler] (the cave picture is for an Algerian postcard).

(even young Muhammed)

[/spoiler]

fact is, it's been done before quite a few times. people just lose their minds when they make fun of the Prophet in picture. granted i'm offended as well, but i do think it's their right to say what they wish, but i don't have to buy their $hit either in response. Everyone has the right to free speech, but not free from reprecussions (that don't involve physical harm).

The whole idea of not drawing Muhammed i understand, no idolatry. except.... we have a religion that we say the Prophet was a mere man who was visited by angels, and in the same sentence we say this mere man was guilty of no possible wrong because everything he did was approved by God. this never really gell'd with me personally, i see the Prophet as human who was passing along a message, which was collected and put into the Quran (as best as that could of been done, seeing how it was assembled by Caliph Uthman, the third Caliph after the Prophet.) People have made him into an idol itself, even without the pictures. One of the definitions of idolatry is: "Extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone."

but i don't expect this attitude to change at all in my lifetime.

as per the pedophile accusation, i'm with Bossperson, at the same time i'm against child marriages and have actually written my name down in ink on petitions to the Ministry of Interior to end in Saudi. potentially getting my self followed and imprisoned, and petitions seem weak (they are) but currently it's the only way to air out grievances to the princes. and you may be thinking "why bother you dumb moron come to the West!", because it's one of my homes and i do care about it, a lot of you can sit back at your keyboard and mock and insult the country/region, but some of us who live have to make a stand somehow, not because of your attempted shaming but out our convictions.

but i gotta lol at the attempts of labeling or 'owning' the great thinkers of history, and BOTH Atheists/Theists are guilty of it. and i'd like to just share what Neil Degrasse Tyson said about it.

and that's all i gotta say about that. i'm out before i get a sea of insults from both camps.

-peace out.

So try him as a criminal and throw him in prison. Treating this as an endemic problem among muslims solidifies an 'us vs. them' mentality, whereas treating it (rightfully) as a simple individual criminal matter asserts a common law as predominant over sectarian crapAbbeten

Honor killing's are hardly eve prosecuted to the extent of the crime due to political correctness. On top of that, this scumbag planned everything out.

After brutally emptying a clip into his two daughters, he drove his cab into a parking garage and left them there while a getaway car allowed him to escape. He's probably living in a hut somewhere in the middle east now.

Sure, except those are extremely rare cases that make up a negligible at most percentage of crimes perpetrated by Muslims. It certainly isn't condoned; It's vehemently condemned.Nayef_shroof

Rare in the USA? Sort of, but they still happen happen. Rare in the middle-east? Lol no.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do if you're daughter married a non-Muslim. And do you support everything in that video that was posted?

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]So try him as a criminal and throw him in prison. Treating this as an endemic problem among muslims solidifies an 'us vs. them' mentality, whereas treating it (rightfully) as a simple individual criminal matter asserts a common law as predominant over sectarian crapcslayer211

Honor killing's are hardly eve prosecuted to the extent of the crime due to political correctness. On top of that, this scumbag planned everything out.

After brutally emptying a clip into his two daughters, he drove his cab into a parking garage and left them there while a getaway car allowed him to escape. He's probably living in a hut somewhere in the middle east now.

Sure, except those are extremely rare cases that make up a negligible at most percentage of crimes perpetrated by Muslims. It certainly isn't condoned; It's vehemently condemned.Nayef_shroof

Rare in the USA? Sort of, but they still happen happen. Rare in the middle-east? Lol no.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do if you're daughter married a non-Muslim. And do you support everything in that video that was posted?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Global call for Islam across the worldJazz_Fan

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]So try him as a criminal and throw him in prison. Treating this as an endemic problem among muslims solidifies an 'us vs. them' mentality, whereas treating it (rightfully) as a simple individual criminal matter asserts a common law as predominant over sectarian crapcslayer211

Honor killing's are hardly eve prosecuted to the extent of the crime due to political correctness. On top of that, this scumbag planned everything out.

After brutally emptying a clip into his two daughters, he drove his cab into a parking garage and left them there while a getaway car allowed him to escape. He's probably living in a hut somewhere in the middle east now.

Sure, except those are extremely rare cases that make up a negligible at most percentage of crimes perpetrated by Muslims. It certainly isn't condoned; It's vehemently condemned.Nayef_shroof

Rare in the USA? Sort of, but they still happen happen. Rare in the middle-east? Lol no.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do if you're daughter married a non-Muslim. And do you support everything in that video that was posted?

Of the 5000 annual honor killings committed world wide, only 500 are perpetrated by Muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can then, infer, that honor killings have their root in culture, especially considering that Islam explicitly forbids honor killings.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.Nayef_shroof

Do what you like in Islamic nations, but leave the Ukraine, US, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Britain, and Holland dafuq alone.Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="helwa1988"] i grew up in a practicing Muslim home. there is nothing in islam that prohibits muslim women from being educated and achieving success. in islam is actually says if someone has a daughter, educates her well and marry her to a good man the parents will get jannah (heaven). there is no such text for men though. islam also says the best of men or those who treat their wives with kindness. even though my parents are religious than me. my father never prevented me from doing what i wanted to do. never laid a hand on my mom. my mom was a working mother. wore hijab and everything. this is the thing that most people don't get. there is nothing in islam that prevents women from being educated. now there are some extremist who like to think islam is only for men. just like groups like mormons like to think that. but that is not what islam is about. islam gave women rights like divorce before other countries and cultures did.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

Honor killing's are hardly eve prosecuted to the extent of the crime due to political correctness. On top of that, this scumbag planned everything out.

After brutally emptying a clip into his two daughters, he drove his cab into a parking garage and left them there while a getaway car allowed him to escape. He's probably living in a hut somewhere in the middle east now.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Sure, except those are extremely rare cases that make up a negligible at most percentage of crimes perpetrated by Muslims. It certainly isn't condoned; It's vehemently condemned.Nayef_shroof

Rare in the USA? Sort of, but they still happen happen. Rare in the middle-east? Lol no.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do if you're daughter married a non-Muslim. And do you support everything in that video that was posted?

Of the 5000 annual honor killings committed world wide, only 500 are perpetrated by Muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can then, infer, that honor killings have their root in culture, especially considering that Islam explicitly forbids honor killings.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.

The key word there is reported honor killings, do you think that killings in the middle of nowhere are going to get reported? No.

And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family. Maybe what you said is for Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an in and out, and those who are non-radicalized.

Although you didn't answer my question as to whether you support the video fully, as in anti-capitalist, Islamic state etc.

:lol: @ islam wanting to rule the world. F*ck that ideal

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

Rare in the USA? Sort of, but they still happen happen. Rare in the middle-east? Lol no.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do if you're daughter married a non-Muslim. And do you support everything in that video that was posted?

cslayer211

Of the 5000 annual honor killings committed world wide, only 500 are perpetrated by Muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can then, infer, that honor killings have their root in culture, especially considering that Islam explicitly forbids honor killings.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.

The key word there is reported honor killings, do you think that killings in the middle of nowhere are going to get reported? No.

And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family. Maybe what you said is for Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an in and out, and those who are non-radicalized.

Although you didn't answer my question as to whether you support the video fully, as in anti-capitalist, Islamic state etc.

no thanks, Id rather not be a Dhimmi , besides my family has had enough time spent as Dhimmis

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

Of the 5000 annual honor killings committed world wide, only 500 are perpetrated by Muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can then, infer, that honor killings have their root in culture, especially considering that Islam explicitly forbids honor killings.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.

Nayef_shroof

The key word there is reported honor killings, do you think that killings in the middle of nowhere are going to get reported? No.

And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family. Maybe what you said is for Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an in and out, and those who are non-radicalized.

Although you didn't answer my question as to whether you support the video fully, as in anti-capitalist, Islamic state etc.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

Of the 5000 annual honor killings committed world wide, only 500 are perpetrated by Muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can then, infer, that honor killings have their root in culture, especially considering that Islam explicitly forbids honor killings.

If my daughter wanted to marry an upstanding, admirable American non-muslim that doesn't drink/smoke, then I wouldn't have too much of a qualm about that. I'd recommend, though, that she actively encourage him to become a Muslim.

Nayef_shroof

The key word there is reported honor killings, do you think that killings in the middle of nowhere are going to get reported? No.

And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family. Maybe what you said is for Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an in and out, and those who are non-radicalized.

Although you didn't answer my question as to whether you support the video fully, as in anti-capitalist, Islamic state etc.

Guys I think we should all relax, sit down and get stoned.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

The key word there is reported honor killings, do you think that killings in the middle of nowhere are going to get reported? No.

And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family. Maybe what you said is for Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an in and out, and those who are non-radicalized.

Although you didn't answer my question as to whether you support the video fully, as in anti-capitalist, Islamic state etc.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] A non-muslim telling a Muslim Levantine who speaks arabic what the Quran/Islam states? :lol: "And Islam explicitly states that you must kill someone if they dishonor you're family"Where did you get that ludicrous notion from? No where in the Quran/hadiths does it say anything of the sort

Nayef_shroof