GOD-Who created GOD?

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

kirk4ever

We Catholics believe God is infinate. Trying to think about infinate will give you a headache.

[QUOTE="nodgenico"]People created god with their imaginations.kirk4ever

as i alaso said..even if god doesnt EXIST...then who made this and us? what created the material for big bang? if something created this..who created that "something"

This is exaclty why I beleive that a God has to exist. If you beleive in the Big Bang than answer me where that bang come from? Now if you say a combination of gases and a supernova or something then explain where that came from. Keep back tracking and see how far you can go. Eventually there has to be something that existed for eternity because if something didn't then there must be an endless loop of space debris exploding and creating life than destroying it and starting over again.

This same question could be applied to scientific theories. The "Big Bang" began with a 'super atom' that exploded and created the universe. But who created this atom? Erm.....it always existed?

To believers in god, he is eternal and has no start nor beginning.

God is the perfect being. If God had to have been created then He would not be the perfect being. Thus God was never created.foxhound_fox

This same question could be applied to scientific theories. The "Big Bang" began with a 'super atom' that exploded and created the universe. But who created this atom? Erm.....it always existed?

To believers in god, he is eternal and has no start nor beginning.

Kritical_Strike

er,...it always existed? who created it to exist in the first place? :o

Science has been steadily explaining many things over the years, but to expect it to suddenly explain everything is ridiculous. Who knows what we'll know in another hundred years... One thing is certain though... It'll be science, not God, that gives us more knowledge.SolidSnake35

But then the person who created god who is he? and did someone create that person and so on and so on? It will just be an infinite of creations. It has to stop somewhere.kurama2002

stop IT!!! arghh my head..!!

[QUOTE="kirk4ever"]

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

RiSkyBiZ-13

We Catholics believe God is infinate. Trying to think about infinate will give you a headache.

This same question could be applied to scientific theories. The "Big Bang" began with a 'super atom' that exploded and created the universe. But who created this atom? Erm.....it always existed?

To believers in god, he is eternal and has no start nor beginning.

Kritical_Strike

Is it that hard to believe that just maybe God exists? You'd be willing to believe a super atom always existed and exploded and created people who are on a planet with food and resources that can reproduce and keep us living and we just so happen to be in a place in the solar system that isn't too close or too far away from the sun.

He is and was always here. Solve your problem. Btw you can't understand God no one can.Matts07

If nobody can understand God, why go to church and waste so much time trying to understand the impossible? Why can't we humans just live their lives as best they can and be judged for the quality of their life instead of whether they believed or followed the teachings of something we can't even understand? It seems silly that God would damn the homosexuals even if they lived a productive life full of hard work and charity. God is not caught up in everything you do. If you live your life the best you can even if you don't believe in God, why should you be damned? I refuse to believe in an all-loving God that would do that to his own creations.

"EVEN IF YOUR AETHEST JUST THINK OTHERWISE FOR A SEC"

m religious BUT HOW!! HOW DID THE CREATOR BECOME?there was nothing then poof =GOD?? my head is seriously hrting thinking about it?!1 arghhhhh

kirk4ever

Your asking the wrong question but to answer your question: Humans created God.

Now to get your head to stop spinning.

People tend to think of the "Who created God?" question as a mind blower and THINK to hard about it. Just use logic and stay focused. You'll be fine.

[QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

This same question could be applied to scientific theories. The "Big Bang" began with a 'super atom' that exploded and created the universe. But who created this atom? Erm.....it always existed?

To believers in god, he is eternal and has no start nor beginning.

VariousObjects

Is it that hard to believe that just maybe God exists? You'd be willing to believe a super atom always existed and exploded and created people who are on a planet with food and resources that can reproduce and keep us living and we just so happen to be in a place in the solar system that isn't too close or too far away from the sun.

I was being sarcastic, if you can't at least consider God is eternal than you must find it hard to believe the Big Bang theory :wink:

[QUOTE="VariousObjects"][QUOTE="Kritical_Strike"]

This same question could be applied to scientific theories. The "Big Bang" began with a 'super atom' that exploded and created the universe. But who created this atom? Erm.....it always existed?

To believers in god, he is eternal and has no start nor beginning.

Kritical_Strike

Is it that hard to believe that just maybe God exists? You'd be willing to believe a super atom always existed and exploded and created people who are on a planet with food and resources that can reproduce and keep us living and we just so happen to be in a place in the solar system that isn't too close or too far away from the sun.

I was being sarcastic, if you can't at least consider God is eternal than you must find it hard to believe the Big Bang theory :wink:

Ya I was kind of feeling a little sarcasm there. I just wanted to expand on what you where saying.

God is eternal, he was always there. Its difficult to comprehend but he was already here, he was never created. Besides, time has no meaning in eternity and God does not go by time, unlike humans. GamingBoy2009

There's a reason "its too difficult to comprehend".

Chuck Norris created God.

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Man created god.TallicaFan2005

I created GOD.RapIsAwesome

I created YOU.

[QUOTE="RapIsAwesome"]I created GOD.MotherSuperior

I created YOU.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="RapIsAwesome"]I created GOD.kirk4ever

I created YOU.

Hitler of course.

[QUOTE="Matts07"]He is and was always here. Solve your problem. Btw you can't understand God no one can.MotherSuperior

If nobody can understand God, why go to church and waste so much time trying to understand the impossible? Why can't we humans just live their lives as best they can and be judged for the quality of their life instead of whether they believed or followed the teachings of something we can't even understand? It seems silly that God would damn the homosexuals even if they lived a productive life full of hard work and charity. God is not caught up in everything you do. If you live your life the best you can even if you don't believe in God, why should you be damned? I refuse to believe in an all-loving God that would do that to his own creations.

its easy really. my parents punished me when i was younger for doing the wrong things even if they loved me. consequences are there for you to experience or to avoid. if you knowingly do bad things, you arent being punished as much as you chose it. god just tells you to not do this, its up to you to follow him, but there are consequences.

btw god is an all loving god, but he is also a god of justice. if he wasnt a god of justice, then no one would know what a loving god would be. but justice and love can co exist when punishing people.

ive always wondered why people are scared of the ultimate consequence. your choices are your own.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Man created god.cowboymonkey21

Its called the scientific framework of discovery, or scientific method.

Curiously, if you do follow the evidence from science and believe in the big bang, the same scientific framework would not support your belief in god. That does not seem to stop people misguidedly believing in both things though.

its easy really. my parents punished me when i was younger for doing the wrong things even if they loved me. consequences are there for you to experience or to avoid. if you knowingly do bad things, you arent being punished as much as you chose it. god just tells you to not do this, its up to you to follow him, but there are consequences.

btw god is an all loving god, but he is also a god of justice. if he wasnt a god of justice, then no one would know what a loving god would be. but justice and love can co exist when punishing people.

ive always wondered why people are scared of the ultimate consequence. your choices are your own.

jsmoke03

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Man created god.RationalAtheist

Its called the scientific framework of discovery, or scientific method.

Curiously, if you do follow the evidence from science and believe in the big bang, the same scientific framework would not support your belief in god. That does not seem to stop people misguidedly believing in both things though.

Science has nothing to do with the creation of the Earth because in order to use the scientific method then you would have to observe and we weren'tthere to observe the Earth being created so it's nothing, but theory.

[QUOTE="jsmoke03"]

its easy really. my parents punished me when i was younger for doing the wrong things even if they loved me. consequences are there for you to experience or to avoid. if you knowingly do bad things, you arent being punished as much as you chose it. god just tells you to not do this, its up to you to follow him, but there are consequences.

btw god is an all loving god, but he is also a god of justice. if he wasnt a god of justice, then no one would know what a loving god would be. but justice and love can co exist when punishing people.

ive always wondered why people are scared of the ultimate consequence. your choices are your own.

quiglythegreat

well god did say dont do that. you don't accidentally sin. what god does is set the rules, if you break it, you should know your consequence. that is justice, and as much as everyone would want an all loving god that throws justice out the window, it just isnt right. dwell on the love if it makes people feel better. im more for owning up to my actions. if i commit sin then i know what i must do until i have time to do it because it was written that that is the way it is.

for people who cant accept that, its fine, but it doesnt mean that it doesnt make sense. people condemn other people for lesser things. isnt the fact that we do have time to try and make up for our mistakes,which we knew full well what the consequences are,enough love for all of us?

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="jsmoke03"]

its easy really. my parents punished me when i was younger for doing the wrong things even if they loved me. consequences are there for you to experience or to avoid. if you knowingly do bad things, you arent being punished as much as you chose it. god just tells you to not do this, its up to you to follow him, but there are consequences.

btw god is an all loving god, but he is also a god of justice. if he wasnt a god of justice, then no one would know what a loving god would be. but justice and love can co exist when punishing people.

ive always wondered why people are scared of the ultimate consequence. your choices are your own.

jsmoke03

well god did say dont do that. you don't accidentally sin. what god does is set the rules, if you break it, you should know your consequence. that is justice, and as much as everyone would want an all loving god that throws justice out the window, it just isnt right. dwell on the love if it makes people feel better. im more for owning up to my actions. if i commit sin then i know what i must do until i have time to do it because it was written that that is the way it is.

for people who cant accept that, its fine, but it doesnt mean that it doesnt make sense. people condemn other people for lesser things. isnt the fact that we do have time to try and make up for our mistakes,which we knew full well what the consequences are,enough love for all of us?

[QUOTE="jsmoke03"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="jsmoke03"]

its easy really. my parents punished me when i was younger for doing the wrong things even if they loved me. consequences are there for you to experience or to avoid. if you knowingly do bad things, you arent being punished as much as you chose it. god just tells you to not do this, its up to you to follow him, but there are consequences.

btw god is an all loving god, but he is also a god of justice. if he wasnt a god of justice, then no one would know what a loving god would be. but justice and love can co exist when punishing people.

ive always wondered why people are scared of the ultimate consequence. your choices are your own.

quiglythegreat

well god did say dont do that. you don't accidentally sin. what god does is set the rules, if you break it, you should know your consequence. that is justice, and as much as everyone would want an all loving god that throws justice out the window, it just isnt right. dwell on the love if it makes people feel better. im more for owning up to my actions. if i commit sin then i know what i must do until i have time to do it because it was written that that is the way it is.

for people who cant accept that, its fine, but it doesnt mean that it doesnt make sense. people condemn other people for lesser things. isnt the fact that we do have time to try and make up for our mistakes,which we knew full well what the consequences are,enough love for all of us?

point taken. you say that your morality is based on suffering and people suffering. but in christian religions, doesnt jesus suffer for the sins of man? catholic stance on this is that jesus continues to suffer as long as man sins.

well im sure some people like you learn or feel remorse for the sins that you committ to other people, but not all sin in gods eyes are when other people get hurt. things like lust and glutony arent necessarily the type of sin that would hurt anyone but those things are considered a sin based on other things that arent necessarily in the form of suffering.

also most people dont feel bad for the sin they do. ive met a lot of people in my day and ive done things that hurt other people that i had no remorse for. ive changed since then but a lot people dont learn as easily as others.

well im going to put this one to rest for the night. either way to each his own...i respect your opinions and i guess well end it with a friendly disagreement of opinion

Man created God when thousands of years ago they had no answer or understanding of science like we do today. Therefore they believed an ultimate being created everything, it kept the locals in line and gave society a purpose for expansion and unity. Far easier to tell the peasants that a corrupt king or leader is in power because the almighty chose him than say he got into power because he slept, killed, drugged and bribed the right people.

Man created God when thousands of years ago they had no answer or understanding of science like we do today. Therefore they believed an ultimate being created everything, it kept the locals in line and gave society a purpose for expansion and unity. Far easier to tell the peasants that a corrupt king or leader is in power because the almighty chose him than say he got into power because he slept, killed, drugged and bribed the right people.

1005

Sounds about right

God is created eveytime a new-born baby smiles. :) awwwwwwwww.

God is created eveytime a new-born baby smiles. :) awwwwwwwww.

darkface

Normally, I hate worthless posts in religious threads... but... lmfao

I bet God isn't even some entity or something, maybe he's some scientist, in some huge, and much bigger world, and this crazy scientist accidently created a small world in some pitri dish he is using, and now he's doing experiments on us.

this is a theory I JUST mad up btw.

what my church believes:

our life on this earth is a, test (for lack of better word). and our goal it to be found worthy to go back to our father in heaven. and the most worthy, those who have been baptized, done good deeds, etc. will be given the power to create planets, and to continue having "spiritual children" in the next life. so what i am saying is that God was in our shoes.

he had a son when he was on his planet, Jesus. after he died and made this vast universe, he made spiritual children, us.

Man created God when thousands of years ago they had no answer or understanding of science like we do today. Therefore they believed an ultimate being created everything, it kept the locals in line and gave society a purpose for expansion and unity. Far easier to tell the peasants that a corrupt king or leader is in power because the almighty chose him than say he got into power because he slept, killed, drugged and bribed the right people.

1005

its funny how every ancient civilization made their own version of god... coincidence... i think not.

What made God, indeed. That's an excellent question. I've already read lots of answers being thrown around, and at the risk of causing major controversy, let me say that I think most theories I've heard thus far are crap. The idea of infinity? No such thing. Consider this...if we are using infinity as a measurement of time, then we must understand that time didn't come into existance until man came into existance. TIME IS NOT A THING; TIME IS A CONCEPT. Therefore, there is no such thing as infinite time, because we can pinpoint the start of time to the start of human life (it should also be noted that humans are the only beings on Earth at least that actually measures time). Infinity is a terrible concept; it creates a load of problems with science as we know it. Secondly, this question does make loads of sense. Everything had a singular point where it came to be, but we hit a paradox: if all things are created, where's the singular point where the first creation was created? And, of course, what created the first creator? What people most need to understand is the difference between a thing and a concept. Concepts are things people use to grasp ideas we cannot grasp without these concepts. Things are just that...things. Anything that is, in fact, a "thing" has to have some physical property.

What made God, indeed. That's an excellent question. I've already read lots of answers being thrown around, and at the risk of causing major controversy, let me say that I think most theories I've heard thus far are crap. The idea of infinity? No such thing. Consider this...if we are using infinity as a measurement of time, then we must understand that time didn't come into existance until man came into existance. TIME IS NOT A THING; TIME IS A CONCEPT. Therefore, there is no such thing as infinite time, because we can pinpoint the start of time to the start of human life (it should also be noted that humans are the only beings on Earth at least that actually measures time). Infinity is a terrible concept; it creates a load of problems with science as we know it. Secondly, this question does make loads of sense. Everything had a singular point where it came to be, but we hit a paradox: if all things are created, where's the singular point where the first creation was created? And, of course, what created the first creator? What people most need to understand is the difference between a thing and a concept. Concepts are things people use to grasp ideas we cannot grasp without these concepts. Things are just that...things. Anything that is, in fact, a "thing" has to have some physical property.

jalexbrown

except the bible said that we cant even comprehend before god or anything of that caliber. so your post is crap.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Man created god.VariousObjects

Its called the scientific framework of discovery, or scientific method.

Curiously, if you do follow the evidence from science and believe in the big bang, the same scientific framework would not support your belief in god. That does not seem to stop people misguidedly believing in both things though.

Science has nothing to do with the creation of the Earth because in order to use the scientific method then you would have to observe and we weren'tthere to observe the Earth being created so it's nothing, but theory.

Scientific theories are facts-du-jour. But scientific hypotheses are debatable. Its all part of the scientific method.

How do you think the big bang theory came about? Observation? No - deduction - based on repeatable evidence. Its the same with evolution. Other scientific and medical disoveries have also involved things that we can not see or sense.

The reason so many people believe in the big bang and evolution is that the evidence is overwhelming and the case made has been discussed and agreed throughout the scientific community.

I can turn your argument round on you and ask you did you observe gods creation? If not, then, according to you, you have nothing but theories. The difference is that scientific theories are backed up by unassailable facts.

Scientific theories are facts-du-jour. But scientific hypotheses are debatable. Its all part of the scientific method.

How do you think the big bang theory came about? Observation? No - deduction - based on repeatable evidence. Its the same with evolution. Other scientific and medical disoveries have also involved things that we can not see or sense.

The reason so many people believe in the big bang and evolution is that the evidence is overwhelming and the case made has been discussed and agreed throughout the scientific community.

I can turn your argument round on you and ask you did you observe gods creation? If not, then, according to you, you have nothing but theories. The difference is that scientific theories are backed up by unassailable facts.

RationalAtheist

Scientific theories based on facts? Theory and Fact do not belong in the same sentence. Neither the big bang nor evolution disproves God's existence in any way.